Mega Thread 2024 Media & Miscellaneous Thread

[arsesmart]

The trail of real football talent is drying up with more and more teams.Like a glass of cordial, the more water you add, the weaker the drink.
Less teams make for better players .Also less AFL teams, make for stronger second tier competitons.

Theoretically, a finite pool of talent is totally expandable, so we can work against the finiteness of it, reducing dilution. It's opportunity x resources (plus efficiency & effectiveness).

With a new team, especially if they have a heavy requirement (plus equivalent budget allowance) for development of talent there will be an increase in equipped talent over if you didn't bring in that new team. Add competition, that every team is involved in, it'll likely speed up that development. Granted it will still take time.

So the investment needs to be more than just setting up one team. They really need to be committed to increasing the talent pool and apply plenty of creativity and a wide scope with a good clear eyed realisation of what exactly that commitment involves.

 

[anchor man]

Theoretically, a finite pool of talent is totally expandable, so we can work against the finiteness of it, reducing dilution. It's opportunity x resources (plus efficiency & effectiveness).

With a new team, especially if they have a heavy requirement (plus equivalent budget allowance) for development of talent there will be an increase in equipped talent over if you didn't bring in that new team. Add competition, that every team is involved in, it'll likely speed up that development. Granted it will still take time.

So the investment needs to be more than just setting up one team. They really need to be committed to increasing the talent pool and apply plenty of creativity and a wide scope with a good clear eyed realisation of what exactly that commitment involves.

Building stronger second tier competitions will make the game stronger, and that only happens if they lessen the number of VFL clubs.
I know most kids that go to the draft are from junior clubs, or private schools comps. But with second tier clubs being boosted by better players, the entire Aussie rules family will grow stronger.
Less makes better.

 

[arsesmart]

Building stronger second tier competitions will make the game stronger, and that only happens if they lessen the number of VFL clubs.
I know most kids that go to the draft are from junior clubs, or private schools comps. But with second tier clubs being boosted by better players, the entire Aussie rules family will grow stronger.
Less makes better.

You don't have to lessen the clubs necessarily, you just have more particular requirements for accessing the upper leagues (eg alignment with a club in the next league up, healthy surplus of cash and demonstrable ways to sustain it). The excess numbers will take care of themselves.

But yeauss... it'd be much simpler (and likely healthier for the evenness of the comp) if there is a significant reduction in Vic teams in the AFL.

 

[anchor man]

You don't have to lessen the clubs necessarily, you just have more particular requirements for accessing the upper leagues (eg alignment with a club in the next league up, healthy surplus of cash and demonstrable ways to sustain it). The excess numbers will take care of themselves.

But yeauss... it'd be much simpler (and likely healthier for the evenness of the comp) if there is a significant reduction in Vic teams in the AFL.

And, there are a few VFL clubs still feeding off the AFL, but all claiming they are standing on their own two feet.
Only have to look at the Dees, Spoon fed to win a flag. But still in trouble.Many of their lower teams from the VFL are still strugglers.
Rid the competiton of them and the standard improves.The best go to other clubs, the rest feed back out to the second tier, country footy, Ams etc.
But the chance of that happening was dead and buried when WA rushed intot the sruggling broks VFL.

 

[kuhni]

Building stronger second tier competitions will make the game stronger, and that only happens if they lessen the number of VFL clubs.
I know most kids that go to the draft are from junior clubs, or private schools comps. But with second tier clubs being boosted by better players, the entire Aussie rules family will grow stronger.
Less makes better.

Wouldn't less spots immediately result in a smaller talent pool? Why would the junior athlete choose the sport with less chance of being selected and less money. I thought AFL already suffers from having one of the lower ultimate salaries out of soccer, cricket, basketball, tennis, rugby union.

 

[anchor man]

Wouldn't less spots immediately result in a smaller talent pool? Why would the junior athlete choose the sport with less chance of being selected and less money. I thought AFL already suffers from having one of the lower ultimate salaries out of soccer, cricket, basketball, tennis, rugby union.

I wouldn't think so.
Young players will still try out regardless.Yes it may make it harder for them,but they will stick. And there is always the stronger second tier to fall back on as young kids where they can improve their game.
Used to happen back pre Eagles. They drained our WAFL with mature experienced players.So much to the detriment of Aussie rules all over.

 

[DocT]

Wouldn't less spots immediately result in a smaller talent pool? Why would the junior athlete choose the sport with less chance of being selected and less money. I thought AFL already suffers from having one of the lower ultimate salaries out of soccer, cricket, basketball, tennis, rugby union.

I'm not sure how much the $$ impacts kids choices. I wonder if there are more sports people getting paid >$200K in AFL than any other sport in Oz?

 

[freoextra]

Armadale Armadillos or GTFO

Yeah get the team set up in Armadale or Maddington (Maddington Maulers) just so we have a team of absolute mongrels, love the idea I might even buy a second membership.

In all seriousness, I never considered a third WA team a reality but we have just tipped over 3 million people and growing at the fastest rate in Australia, so actually makes sense.

 

[Spirit Level]

If WA3 were to happen then the Southern Sharks is the only option IMO. Another team in Perth just doesn't make sense

Margaret River/Busselton is a fast growing area and the airport services the east coast without needing to go through Perth. Stadium wouldn't have to be huge, think Geelong or Tasmania.

Would also be good to have another team which challenges Geelong in the farm life aspect.

 

[DragoDelph]

South West makes sense.

Play half at optus, half at the boutique stadium in the south.

Gives another ground for a future "WA escape" round (Gather round). Fly straight into Busselton, gives a good reason to extend/improve the train line.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

No chance of a 3rd WA team imo as this would cause Vic teams to have more flights to WA



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[kuhni]

I'm not sure how much the $$ impacts kids choices. I wonder if there are more sports people getting paid >$200K in AFL than any other sport in Oz?

I think it's more the top end opportunities, cricket you have big bash and IPL, soccer you can go to Europe, basketball USA etc.

Also if you're more likely to be sitting in the second tier some players may just drop out and focus on their non sporting career.

Doesn't it also stand to reason that with an increasing population you should be able to turn out more total afl quality players? Between Port coming in 1997 and GWS/GC in 09/10 there was about 22% population increase, since then another 22%.

We've only increased the number of afl players by two teams since, 12%. Are we attracting less junior talent? Or is it harder to become afl standard nowadays? Athletic profile has improved and your mercurial but beer loving sunday league player just can't make it today? Less ways to equalise those athletic advantages as less contact is allowed?

 

[kuhni]

I think it's more the top end opportunities, cricket you have big bash and IPL, soccer you can go to Europe, basketball USA etc.

Also if you're more likely to be sitting in the second tier some players may just drop out and focus on their non sporting career.

Doesn't it also stand to reason that with an increasing population you should be able to turn out more total afl quality players? Between Port coming in 1997 and GWS/GC in 09/10 there was about 22% population increase, since then another 22%.

We've only increased the number of afl players by two teams since, 12%. Are we attracting less junior talent? Or is it harder to become afl standard nowadays? Athletic profile has improved and your mercurial but beer loving sunday league player just can't make it today? Less ways to equalise those athletic advantages as less contact is allowed?

N.B. I still love watching AFL and think the quality is good but have never spent time watching WAFL so I can't comment on the drop off/it doesn't affect me.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

As others have said the AFL is committed to all the existing franchises ...

Which for mine makes WA3 really really likely one day.

That's because the weakest Melbourne franchises have to be commercially supported by the AFL. The Melbourne market is over-saturated. If you can move one of those franchises to a market where it can become self sufficient (not stunningly successful, just commercially self-sufficient) that takes a big burden off the AFL.

And the most likely market for another commercially self-sufficient franchise is Perth. A growing, high income market already interested in footy that only has one local game a week. Bingo!

Relocating an existing Melbourne franchise to Perth will also reduce the power of the WAFC over WA football. There would be no need for an existing club's licence to be transferred to WAFC ownership. The current ownership structure of the existing franchise could remain intact when it becomes WA3. You are just relocating them.

So now, there is now a new voice in the WA football industry that is not beholden to the WAFC.

A double whammy for AFL House in Melbourne. The good consumers of WA are paying for a problem that the AFL used to subsidise, and now they have the potential for some influence over WA footy.

Its not about the sport of it, its about the commercials.

 

[anchor man]

As others have said the AFL is committed to all the existing franchises ...

Which for mine makes WA3 really really likely one day.

That's because the weakest Melbourne franchises have to be commercially supported by the AFL. The Melbourne market is over-saturated. If you can move one of those franchises to a market where it can become self sufficient (not stunningly successful, just commercially self-sufficient) that takes a big burden off the AFL.

And the most likely market for another commercially self-sufficient franchise is Perth. A growing, high income market already interested in footy that only has one local game a week. Bingo!

Relocating an existing Melbourne franchise to Perth will also reduce the power of the WAFC over WA football. There would be no need for an existing club's licence to be transferred to WAFC ownership. The current ownership structure of the existing franchise could remain intact when it becomes WA3. You are just relocating them.

So now, there is now a new voice in the WA football industry that is not beholden to the WAFC.

A double whammy for AFL House in Melbourne. The good consumers of WA are paying for a problem that the AFL used to subsidise, and now they have the potential for some influence over WA footy.

Its not about the sport of it, its about the commercials.

Only franchise vlubs are Giants and Suns.
Victorian clubs are basically still VFL.
WA and SA clubs are certainly not francice clubs.
The AFL will never ever again try to relocate a failing/ failed VFL club..
They tried with NM,Roos , the club, even with a massive lure from the AFL the club and their supporters rebelled and the weak AFL folded.
Same applied to the Hawks Dees merger.
The VFL vlubs are sacrosant. Much more than the head in on field clashes. Or more like myself, becoming a Yella supporter.
The VFL clubs are safe.

 

[anchor man]

N.B. I still love watching AFL and think the quality is good but have never spent time watching WAFL so I can't comment on the drop off/it doesn't affect me.

The WAFL was second only to the VFL prior to the Eagles. For years the VFL took took, took, from the comp. But it kept producing great talent. Once the Eagles came in our WAFL became a very much second rate competition. Still is.
Where do the kuds come from when second tier competitions go down the gurgler.
Where do vountry kids go. If second tier footy goes, so does country footy.

 

[mightymouse75]

Only franchise vlubs are Giants and Suns.
Victorian clubs are basically still VFL.
WA and SA clubs are certainly not francice clubs.
The AFL will never ever again try to relocate a failing/ failed VFL club..
They tried with NM,Roos , the club, even with a massive lure from the AFL the club and their supporters rebelled and the weak AFL folded.
Same applied to the Hawks Dees merger.
The VFL vlubs are sacrosant. Much more than the head in on field clashes. Or more like myself, becoming a Yella supporter.
The VFL clubs are safe.

North Melbourne were on the way to the Goldie.
It was a very close thing until the board dug their heals in at the last minute.
AFL should have left them to flounder.
It was Norths decision to stay. Live with it.

 

[stax on the mull]

The WAFL was second only to the VFL prior to the Eagles. For years the VFL took took, took, from the comp. But it kept producing great talent. Once the Eagles came in our WAFL became a very much second rate competition. Still is.
Where do the kuds come from when second tier competitions go down the gurgler.
Where do vountry kids go. If second tier footy goes, so does country footy.

I do recall a state game at Subiaco in 1985 where South Australia kicked 30 goals and beat WA by 15 goals. I think both states lay claim to being the 2nd best comp outside of the VFL.

 

[mightymouse75]

North Melbourne would be perfect for Perth.
25% of their supporters are already here.
Tie them with 1 of the Perth clubs. East, West or the Demons.
The Perth Kangaroos.

Already have a fan base. Plus the Perth club supporters that has taken the opportunity to move up a league.

AFL will get to unload one of the Vic basket cases.
As Johnny pointed out the AFL can take some power off the WAFC.

For WA we get 2 games a weekend.
Vic teams will lose a bit of their power.
Dockers get another game in Perth a year.

Win ****ing win.
Perth Roos.

Based out of Leederville.

 

[mightymouse75]

6.5 million people in Victoria for 10 teams. 650k per team.
3 million people in West Oz for 2 teams. 1.5m per team.