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Scodog10 said:
This is where I was at pre the Begg injury although I’d be more lenient on suggesting it was a waste. I think Begg was going to struggle, but he at least had 12 weeks to give it his absolute best and we could then address it at year end. Now though that might be 4-6 weeks at the back end.

Teakle to me is a side grade and I would pick the best runner at state league level. The runners have the best chance of making it with us, but I’d be mad to not acknowledge that a 22-26yo ruck is now the best list fit.

Nek minute CoD will be telling me it has to be the Sof 😂
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Did you consider Cameron a side grade when we recruited him after mostly playing Neafl?
 
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Vinnie Vegas said:
Teakle would've played at least 5 games for the senior side already if we'd drafted him, and would be in the side currently and until Mihocek returns at a minimum.

He's not a side grade (a term I'm fairly sure doesn't exist) - He actively fits within a gap on our list.

If we had known how Ash Johnson and Mason Cox were going to play this year, and that Mihocek would be down on form and then hurt, Teakle almost certainly would've made the list during the SSP period, I'm guessing - He had a decent pre-season with us.
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No he would not have played 5 matches this year. If he were the player you’d described and so highly regarded that he’d have pushed past Cox then we’d have brought him onto the list in February.

The reason he’s a side grade is because he’s not an improvement on Begg or Steene. To reiterate that fact if he were an improvement on them we would have brought him in in February…

Thank **** we don’t hand out list spots on the basis of expected injures!
 

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Bianconeri said:
Did you consider Cameron a side grade when we recruited him after mostly playing Neafl?
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Nope. At that time our ruck stocks were Grundy, Cox and Lynch who was about on par with Begg so he was a perfect 3rd in option. The correct balance on a list is 4 ruckman, IMO, so he was the right fit at the right time just as I suggested Meek would have been back in 2022 (que sera). I also rated Cameron all the way back to his draft year so it’s a rough comparison on Teakle.
 
Jen2310 said:
I do have queries whether we'd again go for someone we passed over in pre-season. Could have gone for him instead of bytel if they wanted to.
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He might have been next best, but we didn’t see the need at the time from a positional POV. Now the tables have turned and he plays the position we are most in need of, and also happens to have spent an entire preseason under our current coaching staff, learning how we want him to play.
 
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I do have queries whether we'd again go for someone we passed over in pre-season. Could have gone for him instead of bytel if they wanted to.
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Perhaps it was really close between the two, but they just felt the need for a Bytel type was more needed at the time.

Now with Steene & Begg out injured, other talls not performing or injured, in hindsight Teakle may have been the better choice.
 
ElliottsMaggies said:
Perhaps it was really close between the two, but they just felt the need for a Bytel type was more needed at the time.

Now with Steene & Begg out injured, other talls not performing or injured, in hindsight Teakle may have been the better choice.
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Quite possibly, but my preference for bringing in Teakle is all about the now.
I reckon they may have thought Steene was in for a big year - instead of a nightmare - as his marking talent means he can play effectively in the ruck or F50.
And with all due respect, Beggy is simply not a first ruckman prospect, and although he takes the occasional good mark (took a beauty last week), he'll need to take a lot more to stick..
 
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The mere fact Teakle at 204cm is genuine ruck size already edges him past Begg IMO and us bypassing him as a SSP probably had more to do with the thought Steene would continue to develop and the likes of Dean, Eyre and at the time Murphy would give us the defensive cover to enable Frampton to be viable ruck depth.

As we know Murphy has sinced retired, Eyre and Steene are injured (Begg now also) and Dean was unsuccessfully trialed in his first go at AFL level.

The landscape has changed and whether it be Teakle or another mature ruck I'd be surprised if we didn't go that route.
 
Harry O said:
Sounds like Carmichael might even be a chance to go on long term injury list. Could have 3 picks
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Jay Clark said we are no guarantee to take anyone in MSD
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That's a much more realistic chance, I'd say (than taking 3)!!

I'd be very surprised if we took as many as 2 players in the MSD (even if we had that many picks available), and 3 would surely be out of the question! Looking at what we've done in recent years it's almost certain we'd only be looking at someone we see as worth having on the list in the long-term (they won't be signing someone for just 6 months), and we're not likely to find many decent (long-term) prospects at this time of the year. Anyone we pick up in a couple of weeks time will be meant to still be there in 2025 (and beyond), and if we filled up list spots now just for the sake of it our options/available picks come the end of the year (when a lot more talent will be there for the taking) will be seriously reduced.

People just shouldn't be expecting/wanting to see us recruit a whole bunch of new players in this upcoming draft, and/or expect we're likely to pick up someone who will make a huge difference in the short term.
 

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Hardas said:
Quite possibly, but my preference for bringing in Teakle is all about the now.
I reckon they may have thought Steene was in for a big year - instead of a nightmare - as his marking talent means he can play efectively in the ruck or F50.
And with all due respect, Beggy is simply not a first ruckman prospect, and although he takes the occasional good mark (took a beauty last week), he'll need to take a lot more to stick..
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I agree. My preference was always to pick up Teakle during the ssp. I never thought Begg was an AFL ruckman & can't see what other position he could play.. and Steene was/is still far off in his development.

I hope we don't miss out on him during the MSD.
 
Box Hill Hawks coach Zane Littlejohn calls Max Hall a “plug-and-play’’ footballer.
“What we love about him is he’s ever-reliable. You put him in a spot and, what is it, the plug and play?’’ Littlejohn said of the 22-year-old.

“We plug him in and just let him play. He’s just so reliable in getting the job done, and what makes him reliable is he’s so clean and doesn’t really waste the footy.’’

In his third year at the City Oval, Hall is having a fine season for the Hawks, emerging as a contender for the AFL’s mid-season draft and an early favourite for the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal.

The right-footer had 32 disposals against North Melbourne in Round 4, 26 against the Sydney Swans a week later and 31 in Round 6 against unbeaten ladder leader Footscray.

The Bulldogs were impressed with what they saw of the former Eastern Ranger, who came through under-age teams at the Gary Ayres-coached Montrose.

Montrose saw quite a bit of Hall in 2022 but since then, his stocks at Box Hill have risen sharply. He had 15 games last season and then fixed his focus on 2024.

he Bullants have another big man bubbling up in 202cm Will Elliott, the son of Test match cricketer Matthew.

Two weeks ago, Elliott took eight marks against Port Melbourne, one of them a spectacular grab in the goal square. He followed up with 18 possessions and a goal in the Ants’ stirring win over Collingwood last Saturday.

Elliott, 19, has missed a lot of football through Covid and then a knee injury, but his talent has never been in dispute.

“His upside is huge … he’s going to be a serious player,’’ Ants coach Rohan Welsh said yesterday.

“What you’re seeing is really promising but he’s still really raw … his body is going to fill out in the next two years.’’


Welsh is also promoting his wingman Saad El-Hawli.

The former Western Region league Rising Star winner is averaging 24.8 disposals from his six matches and seizing the eye with his speed. Welsh likens him to Carlton dasher Adam Saad.

“When I pick players who I think are draftable, I pick AFL players who I think they play like, and to me he’s like Adam Saad,’’ he said.

“He plays exactly the same way. Speed, good overhead, tough and a good ball-user. Good footy brain too. I think he’s got all the attributes to play in the AFL, absolutely.’’

Welsh also believes 2023 Bullants best and fairestJean-Luc Velissaris should also be in the thoughts of AFL clubs. Velissaris, 24, had 34 touches against Collingwood and is averaging 33.3 from six matches.

“He’s tough, he wins it inside, he uses it well and he’s so consistent,’’ Welsh said of the midfielder.

“He might be one of those guys who gets to the next level and rises again.’’


Collingwood newcomerJack Hutchinson has for weeks been touted as an early selection.

The 22-year-old joined the Pies at the encouragement of their former premiership player Jarryd Blair, who coached him at Wonthaggi in 2022-23. A 190cm forward who can jump like fat in a frying pan, Hutchinson has showed bit and pieces without blowing a game to smithereens.

One recruiter told CODE Sports that the right-footer would be drafted more on what he could do in the future “in a full-time (football) environment’’ rather than what he had done in a handful of games for Collingwood.

The Magpies’ former Hawthorn player Ned Long is also expected to come into consideration.

Long, 21, opened his season with possession counts of 25, 28 and 28 and performed well for the VFL against the SANFL. A calf complaint has kept him out of the past two rounds.

In Trezise, Richmond took one of its own players in last year’s mid-season draft, and it would be no surprise if it did so again.

Unfortunately for classy defender Mutaz El-Nour, he suffered a shoulder injury in Round 6 against Coburg and will be sidelined for eight weeks. Similar misfortune struck him before the 2023 mid-season draft, when he hurt a knee.

The Tigers may look to wingman Austin Johnson, from Southern league powerhouse Cheltenham.


Richmond coach Steve Morris gave him some lift-off after his Round 4 performance, when he had 21 disposals and five rebound 50s.

“He’s in super form at the moment, he’s such a reliable player for our team. He knows exactly the way we want to play football and he runs great patterns as a result of this,’’ Morris told Richmond’s website.

“He’s strong in the contest and continues to be a big reason as to why we’ve started the season in good form.”

Southport coach Stevie Daniel believes his half-back Ben Jepson is 50-50 to be taken in the mid-season draft.

He said Jepson, recruited from Coburg at the end of last season, had been “terrific’’ in his first season with the Sharks. He also played well for the VFL in the representative match against the SANFL.

“The last three weeks, he’s had his 30-odd (possessions) and given us a lot of drive off half-back,’’ Daniel said of Coburg’s 2023 best and fairest.

“He uses the ball really well, he’s tough, strong over the ball, understands the game. Two clubs have inquired about him.’’

Frankston coach Jackson Kornberg calls George Grey the Dolphins’ “most obvious’’ draft prospect.

Changing clubs and positions, the former Casey Demon has thrived in his move to half-back, pinging forward with skill and speed. He’s averaging 23.5 possessions for his 4-2 team.

“Classy ball-user, very good decision-maker; he’s been a class above,’’ Kornberg said of Grey.


He said the Dolphins had two other players who should be in mid-season draft discussions: former Kangaroo Tom Murphy and Lachie Reidy.

Murphy returned to Frankston this year after going back to local football in 2023. Previously used as a half-back, he has revelled in his onball role, averaging 22 disposals from his six matches.

“He’s been really consistent and powerful. He’s a territory-taker who drives his legs and he’s starting to impact in the front-half too,’’ Kornberg said. “He’s a great runner and uses the ball well.’’

He said few players did what Murphy, 26, had done, dropping back to local level, returning to the state league and performing at a high level.

“Usually once you go to local, that’s it. It’s different with him. He’s lived the highs and lows of the AFL and now he’s got the passion back.’’

The Dolphins went into the season thinking Reidy would predominantly play on the wing. But the former Eastern Ranges player has come through as an inside midfielder.

“I think he’s one who’s popped up,’’ Kornberg said. “He wills himself from contest to contest and accumulates through that.’’

Key defenders Finbar O’Dwyer (Williamstown) and Nathan Cooper (Werribee) may appeal to clubs needing to bolster their backlines.

Cooper, one of the quickest players at Werribee, played in the state game against the SANFL.

“If any AFL clubs are looking for a key defender, he defends as well as anyone going around,’’ Bees coach Jimmy Allan said of Cooper, a former Sydney Swans reserve player.

‘’He’d be ready to go straight away. Defends like his life depends on it.’’

O’Dwyer joined Willy after a rookie listing at Carlton and has become a starting point for coach Justin Plapp and his selection committee.

Plapp also believes that former Carlton defender Luke Parks, ex-Richmond defender Riley Collier-Dawkins and key forward Corey Ellison will come into calculations.

“His stoppage and contest stuff has been elite for us,’’ Plapp said of Collier-Dawkins, who had 32 disposals against Essendon last Saturday. “He’s building. His last few weeks have been at a very high level.’’

He said Parks was a “genuine intercept defender, he’s tough, he can defend one-on-one’’.

“He’s not too dissimilar to Marty Hore, really,’’ Plapp said.

Midfielder Jack Toner has also hit stride in the past two rounds, having 24 touches against Casey Demons and 25 against Essendon.


Essendon small forward Oskar Smartt enhanced his chances of advancing to the AFL with two snappy performances in the Young Guns series. The Bendigo Pioneers graduate also kicked four goals from 12 touches against the unbeaten Footscray Bulldogs.

“There’s so much upside to him. But where he’s at already is pretty solid,’’ Young Guns coach Matt O’Connor said of Smartt.

“Great forward pressure. We asked a question to the group, ‘What do you bring?’ And he just said, ‘I bring pressure’. He’s got a bit of life about him, which I think is great.’’

It’s understood that former Sandringham Dragon Cooper Lord has caught the interest of clubs through his performances with North Melbourne VFL. Bar his two Young Guns selections, the midfielder has played every game for the Roos.

“He’s a talented kid. I really like him,’’ North coach Tommy Lynch said.

Former WAFL player Ben Edwards is another who could bob up. He’s made a perky start with the Sydney Swans’ VFL team, parading his pace, endurance and ball-winning ability.

Victorian recruit Phil Moimoi has also come to notice for the Swans, as a half-forward with a nose for the goals.

“He’s a very exciting player, has got real X-factor,’’ Swannies coach Damian Truslove said of the nephew of rugby league cult figure Fuifui Moimoi.

Midfielder Hugo Bromell’s move from Footscray to Coburg has brought him more opportunity and greater attention.

Lions coach Jamie Cassidy-McNamara thinks he’s a player worth tracking.

“He’s a big mid who is clean and powerful in the contest,’’ he said.

“He’s still young, with a lot of growth in his game.’’

Geelong coach Mark Corrigan believes Tobyn Murray is one player “potentially bouncing around the mark’’. A midfielder with Geelong Falcons, he’s been playing at half-forward with the VFL Cats and kicked four goals from eight touches against Box Hill Hawks in Round 2.

“I think he’s on the radar,’’ Corrigan said. “Whether he’s done enough, I’m not sure. But there’s a bit there with him. He’s got a great tank, he’s tough, loves the contest.’’


Young Port Melbourne ruckman Felix Flockart continues to interest recruiters, according to coach Adam Skrobalak.

“He’s put together a fair body of work so far,’’ he said of the former Sandringham Dragon, who is averaging 13.6 disposals and 27.3 disposals this season.

“He’s been competitive in the ruck, he’s marking the ball around the ground and when he goes forward, he kicks a goal or two.’’

Skrobalak will not lift an eyebrow if a club swoops on his former Saint Dan McKenzie, whose absence last Friday night prompted five clubs to message Port.

Footscray’s ex-Magpie Trent Bianco is another former AFL player trying to win a second chance via the VFL. Three goals and 26 disposals against Willy in Round 4 served as a reminder of his ability.
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35Daicos said:
That's a much more realistic chance, I'd say (than taking 3)!!

I'd be very surprised if we took as many as 2 players in the MSD (even if we had that many picks available), and 3 would surely be out of the question! Looking at what we've done in recent years it's almost certain we'd only be looking at someone we see as worth having on the list in the long-term (they won't be signing someone for just 6 months), and we're not likely to find many decent (long-term) prospects at this time of the year. Anyone we pick up in a couple of weeks time will be meant to still be there in 2025 (and beyond), and if we filled up list spots now just for the sake of it our options/available picks come the end of the year (when a lot more talent will be there for the taking) will be seriously reduced.

People just shouldn't be expecting/wanting to see us recruit a whole bunch of new players in this upcoming draft, and/or expect we're likely to pick up someone who will make a huge difference in the short term.
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Yep, this. Anyone we take in the MSD will likely have impact on list management decisions at seasons end. The more we add, the greater the impact. We actually currently only have 1 list vacancy with Murphy’s retirement. That’s the 1 spot we’re likely to fill.
 
eaglevision said:
I’d say Ruscoe is a decent chance to be taken by us in the MSD. Hasn’t set the world on fire in the WAFL but our 2s are s**t and he does look a level above state league. In a good team with a good system I think he’d be more than serviceable, as you say question is would he fit into yours?
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I wouldn't understand why we would take someone we had at the club already and then delisted? Seems like we're rehashing what we already had, plus aren't positions in the ruck and forward of the ball, more of a priority?
 
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I wouldn't understand why we would take someone we had at the club already and then delisted? Seems like we're rehashing what we already had, plus aren't positions in the ruck and forward of the ball, more of a priority?
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I remember the name Felix Flockart from a year or two ago. He might be one to consider alongside Teakle.

I do like the look of Will Elliott though and a taller key forward that can pinch hit in the ruck is a need I think although he could be similar to Steene long term.


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My partner and I went to a few pre-season training sessions and while I thought the need for big bodied mids was the way to go, my partner thought Teakle was a no-brainer. After we surprisingly took both Sully and Bytel, he was perplexed. He still banged on about it last week when Brodie went down.

I suspect Teakle was very close to being taken. I think he'd have played a few games by now if we had. I guess it's water under the bridge now, because I can't see us taking him even if he were available to us.
 
Scodog10 said:
Nope. At that time our ruck stocks were Grundy, Cox and Lynch who was about on par with Begg so he was a perfect 3rd in option. The correct balance on a list is 4 ruckman, IMO, so he was the right fit at the right time just as I suggested Meek would have been back in 2022 (que sera). I also rated Cameron all the way back to his draft year so it’s a rough comparison on Teakle.
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That’s a fair assessment. Although I’d argue our ruck stocks atm are just Cameron and Cox atm. Steene isn’t going to play until the end of the year and when he does he’s highly unlikely to be in consideration of the AFL team. Begg similar although he’s even less likely to return and sounds like he’s been put on the inactive list already.

The total number of rucks we have on the list is irrelevant what matter is that we at least have a compatible back up option on reserve.

I’d also argue the same thing for key forward as well because atm we’re relying on McStay coming back from an ACL to play a pretty physically demanding role as only thing stopping Taylor and McCartin from dominating us come finals time.
 
Apples said:
My partner and I went to a few pre-season training sessions and while I thought the need for big bodied mids was the way to go, my partner thought Teakle was a no-brainer. After we surprisingly took both Sully and Bytel, he was perplexed. He still banged on about it last week when Brodie went down.

I suspect Teakle was very close to being taken. I think he'd have played a few games by now if we had. I guess it's water under the bridge now, because I can't see us taking him even if he were available to us.
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Wishful think from me but I suspect we didn’t take him because we were set on Frampton being our Mr fix it again this year and we’re confident that Murphy would get back or Dean was closer to AFL level in the full back role.
 

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