NFL 2024 - Pre-Draft Discussion and Mock Drafts

[aussiedude]

Draft/combine discussion

Current draft order

01. Chicago [via Carolina]
02. Washington
03. New England
04. Arizona
05. LA Chargers
06. NY Giants
07. Tennessee
08. Atlanta
09. Chicago
10. NY Jets
11. Minnesota
12. Denver
13. Las Vegas
14. New Orleans
15. Indianapolis
16. Seattle
17. Jacksonville
18. Cincinnati
19. LA Rams
20. Pittsburgh
21. Miami
22. Philadelphia
23. Minnesota [Via Cleveland-Houston]
24. Dallas
25. Green Bay
26. Tampa Bay
27. Arizona [Via Houston]
28. Buffalo
29. Detroit
30. Baltimore
31. San Francisco
32. Kansas City

 

[Constantgin]

Very interesting draft board. Think QBs go top 2 with Chicago and Washington then its open to lots of different scenarios and trading. Pats in a good spot to trade back if they dont want to take a QB that high. NYG, Atlanta, Denver and Vegas (maybe Minnesota too) all potentially looking for a QB and to move up.

I am starting to come around to the top 3 picks (with trades) being Caleb, Maye and Daniels (Daniels will test really well at combine so that will push him up) due to too many teams need QB's then MJH at 4 (which could also be a trade spot). So uncertainty will begin at pick 5.

 

[Constantgin]

With Chargers I think OT because WR is deep in this draft and OT depth isn't as good. Should be able to get quality WR in 2nd to go with a Stud LT in first where as you won't be able to do it in reverse.

 

[Constantgin]

He really should of stayed in school mid 3rd/4th rounder

 

[aussiedude]

He really should of stayed in school mid 3rd/4th rounder

Don't think he is getting any better.

And don't think hie ego would let him return. But that will take a smash when he finds out he isn't a NFL player

 

[manureid]

He really should of stayed in school mid 3rd/4th rounder

He probably assumes his stocks will never be higher. Might get himself a career as a backup QB somewhere if he is lucky.

 

[aussiedude]

He probably assumes his stocks will never be higher. Might get himself a career as a backup QB somewhere if he is lucky.

Ive seen some 2nd round grades i think.

 

[Chewy316]

He really should of stayed in school mid 3rd/4th rounder

I won't be surprised if he goes in the first round.

QBs are always overdrafted because the pay off is so great if they hit (combined with teams wanting a 5th year option on them).

Lots of teams this off season need a QB. A supply and demand issue will see QBs such as Penix, Nix and McCarthy all possibly go in the first round given that the first three picks are likely to be QBs.

 

[aussiedude]

I won't be surprised if he goes in the first round.

QBs are always overdrafted because the pay off is so great if they hit (combined with teams wanting a 5th year option on them).

Lots of teams this off season need a QB. A supply and demand issue will see QBs such as Penix, Nix and McCarthy all possibly go in the first round given that the first three picks are likely to be QBs.

Bo Nix is a better QB then JJ. and both should not be 1st round picks.

Nix age works against him.

Maye, Daniels and Williams top 5 picks Penix in the 20s is how the 1st round should go.

 

[Chewy316]

Bo Nix is a better QB then JJ. and both should not be 1st round picks.

Nix age works against him.

Maye, Daniels and Williams top 5 picks Penix in the 20s is how the 1st round should go.

Look at the top 15 picks in the draft. Chicago, Washington, New England, Atlanta, Minnesota, Denver and Las Vegas all need QBs, whilst the Giants, Jets and Tennessee could all throw a spanner in the works and go QB as well.

It's why I expect an absolute glut of QBs to go early this year. Where they "should" go is irrelevant because team need will supersede that.

 

[aussiedude]

reaching for JJ or Nix wont end well. just cost people jobs.

I know it will happen because the FA market is horrible.

Ewers would of been above them both if he left.

 

[drd23]

 

[aussiedude]

Senior Bowl week can do more than the combine to raise draft stock.

 

[Exe Gesis]

It's just fantastic to have another lefty in the NFL

 

[Big Unit 30]

Chicago is really stamping itself as the city where 1st rd QBs go to

Only since we had Sid Luckman in the 1940s.
Glad you’ve twigged

 

[Constantgin]

Would the bears even want to go Caleb Wiliams with his best work being on the run or broken plays wouldn't they want a more prototypical passer in Maye after Fields. So if that's the case they could trade down with Washington at 2 who would want the Caleb cos his a homegrown boy and accumulate more picks and still get a new QB.

 

[Constantgin]

Is this the biggest sign i am wrong when it comes to Caleb and Bears. You wouldn't be looking at Kliff unless you had caleb in your sights and want someone he is really comfortable with.

 

[drd23]

 

[aussiedude]

Its been that way for a long time. few schools play a pro style offense. its all shotgun spread and no checks at the line that are not sent in from the sideline.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Did a little watching, Vwrsus videos, of Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Penix.

First impressions...

Daniels and Penix I like best. Reckon theyll immediately hit the ground running in the NFL.

Maye has a tendency to unravel in unclean pockets. He might end up one of those prototypical tall pocket passers who falters in the NFL.

Williams is talented for sure, but he scares me a lot. Can't stand the moving around all over the pocket, scrambling left right back and all over to extend plays.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

First impressions...

Daniels and Penix I like best.

That's the popular big footy opinion, such a sheep GG.

 

[Exe Gesis]

That's the popular big footy opinion, such a sheep GG.

In my own observation I see it that way. So if the consensus on BF is that, and it aligns with left-field GG, then there must be substance behind it.

To elaborate/repeat a little....

When I see both Daniels and Penix, I see NFL-ready 2020s type style and technique about them. Most offenses these days are short to mid, slants, hitches, outs and ins, RPOs. Those two consistently fit that style. They're quick and decisive. They look the part extremely well in that style. Daniels has the added dual threat ability, and quite devastating at it. Penix has better throwing touch and accuracy.

You don't see either running around behind the LOS like idiots.

Williams also fits that modern NFL offense, but he just has runs around far too much, like he's trying to win the Heisman on every play Manziel-like. It's a trait that's hard to teach out of players at the next level.

Maye is pretty damn good with a very clean pocket, but he unravels when it's dirty. He can scramble forward well, but he's a pocket passer by trade. Reckon he'll be found wanting at the next level due to that unraveling.

Daniels probably ends up the best of the bunch, big time star stats. ROTY.

Penix will be a very solid QB. He'll have a decent career without flashing all kinds of rookie QB records like Daniels will probably get

Williams in three years will be talked about like a Fields, say.

Maye in three years will be talked about like a Zach Wilson, say.

 

[Exe Gesis]

#BoldPredictionAward

 

[Constantgin]

Did a little watching, Vwrsus videos, of Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Penix.

First impressions...

Daniels and Penix I like best. Reckon theyll immediately hit the ground running in the NFL.

Maye has a tendency to unravel in unclean pockets. He might end up one of those prototypical tall pocket passers who falters in the NFL.

Williams is talented for sure, but he scares me a lot. Can't stand the moving around all over the pocket, scrambling left right back and all over to extend plays.

In my own observation I see it that way. So if the consensus on BF is that, and it aligns with left-field GG, then there must be substance behind it.

To elaborate/repeat a little....

When I see both Daniels and Penix, I see NFL-ready 2020s type style and technique about them. Most offenses these days are short to mid, slants, hitches, outs and ins, RPOs. Those two consistently fit that style. They're quick and decisive. They look the part extremely well in that style. Daniels has the added dual threat ability, and quite devastating at it. Penix has better throwing touch and accuracy.

You don't see either running around behind the LOS like idiots.

Williams also fits that modern NFL offense, but he just has runs around far too much, like he's trying to win the Heisman on every play Manziel-like. It's a trait that's hard to teach out of players at the next level.

Maye is pretty damn good with a very clean pocket, but he unravels when it's dirty. He can scramble forward well, but he's a pocket passer by trade. Reckon he'll be found wanting at the next level due to that unraveling.

Daniels probably ends up the best of the bunch, big time star stats. ROTY.

Penix will be a very solid QB. He'll have a decent career without flashing all kinds of rookie QB records like Daniels will probably get

Williams in three years will be talked about like a Fields, say.

Maye in three years will be talked about like a Zach Wilson, say.

I am the exactly the opposite in my view of prospects.

I would rank them
1. Maye
2. Caleb
3. Daniels
4. Pennix ( would rate him above daniels if not for injury history which scares the crap out of me)

 

[aussiedude]

1. Maye
2. Daniels
3. Penix
4. Williams

but can flip 1 and 2 if you want a more athletic QB over a pure pocket passer.

 

[drd23]