Training 2024 Preseason reports and discussion

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Hawk Vision said:
Sorry but it only takes 3 months to get professional level fit. That’s doing 12-15 sessions a week. You can hold muscle mass too with the right diet. Putting it on can take years though I agree, but getting professional level fit doesn’t take 3 years. Getting to elite level fitness can take upto 3-4 years though. He’s a full time athlete, if he can’t run out games by now there’s something not right. Needs to find it, it’s going to be make or break for him this year.
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There's a massive difference between holding existing muscle mass compared to growing it simultaneously while improving endurance.

DGB is trying to pack on a heap of weight.
 
parsons nose said:
Now that Butler has demonstrated his elite aerobic capabilities I’m wondering if Sam might have him earmarked for a role on the wing where his endurance can be put to good use. He would probably have to dislodge Ward to get a run, but it’s certainly not out of the question.
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Our own Liam Henry hopefully
 
naysayer said:
With pick 5, Hawthorn selects...

edit: he likely won't be a mid, but will become a regular as forward half stoppages
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French showed breakaway speed as a junior, Butler’s times suggest he has it.

It’s just a matter of development and getting preseasons into them I reckon.
 

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madhawksfan said:
I have done 1km in around 3:50 (and I am far from an elite athlete) so I’d estimate it would be comfortably sub 3:00, particularly if they are having a recovery after each effort.
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Finn has a recorded 400m time of around 50 seconds and an 800m time of 1:56 so I'd say they're probably running 2:30 or thereabouts.
 
parsons nose said:
Now that Butler has demonstrated his elite aerobic capabilities I’m wondering if Sam might have him earmarked for a role on the wing where his endurance can be put to good use. He would probably have to dislodge Ward to get a run, but it’s certainly not out of the question.
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Think he played a bit of mid as a junior? He doesn’t look that natural as a deep forward. Would be interesting to see how he goes up the ground. He’d likely be quicker than all our current mids and now has the tank.
 
burner1 said:
Think he played a bit of mid as a junior? He doesn’t look that natural as a deep forward. Would be interesting to see how he goes up the ground. He’d likely be quicker than all our current mids and now has the tank.
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A lot of his highlights in the VFL came from playing higher up the ground, I think he will ideally join into the hhf/small forward rotation.
Hes got the skill, now he just needs the ethic and application
 
The Chad and I said:
I’ve liked the look of Butler from the start.

Not sure why he hasn’t delivered on that (seems injuries) but hopefully he is gonna breakout.

Beating Maginness is a HUGE achievement. Butler is now an elite runner.

We are gonna run a lot of teams off their feet. With out big inside mids winning the ball and distributing, I think we will have some big wins if our forwards stand up.
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Butlers issue is knowing where, when to run.
 
KermitJagger said:
It'll be based on output, but for as long as he's kicking 40+ goals I imagine he'll have a spot on our list.
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Don't know if you guys caught it but in the 7news video you hear Moorey let slip the idea that we might go small ball some games. Have to wonder if it is a wet game this will be the direction that selection goes.
 
Adebisi said:
Butlers issue is knowing where, when to run.
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It will be very exciting to see some of our youngsters develop. Of the blokes outside most peoples 22, I am looking forward to big years from Butler, Bailey Mac and Serong. If these types come on and the mainstays keep their form, we will have a good year.

It will be vital for us that Reeves keeps improving. Could be a real weapon.
 
So back home after a brutal flight and juggled things so we are around Saturday for the open Xmas training. Will be awesome to take my daughter for her first visit to Waverley and indoctrinate her up. We will have to drive there can anyone help me with the inside word on where to park can’t say I’ve been out there since it stopped being an actual footy venue. Cheers.
 
Training today at Bungil Bagora, a beautiful day, a real pity I had to go back to work. However, I took the opportunity to hang around a while longer today.

No Shows
Once again no one

Rehab

Wingard: Out in the middle initially and then walking laps with the trainer and then on the bike. Progressing really well on his rehab

Reeves: Still in rehab running and stretching on the far side followed by some laps. Then walked upstairs early.

Seamus: In rehab unsure what his problem is if anything. Was a short run on the far side before he went downstairs to the pool early.

Lewis: Still in rehab with the others running 200m and then laps.

Amon: Doing everything with Lewis.

Gunston: See Amon. Winked at me as he was running by. I felt like I was a groupie lol

Massimo: In rehab running on the far side and then running laps.

Chol: Doing everything with Massimo.

CJ: Once again, he was part more drills but gets pulled out. Then in rehab and doing laps around the ground at a fair clip.

The started with some running and flexing all part of the warmup. They do it every session. They follow that with full ground handball and kicking drills running around in 3 groups.

This was followed with 3 seperate groups:

One working at some stoppage and boundary throw ins kicking it to contests on the half forward flanks usually where we had Meek V Tucker. Tucker has really worked hard at his running and contest work over the break. He was very competitive against Meek. Stephens once again hard at work in these drills along with Newk, Day and Ward. Stephen's copped a knock where he was bleeding and needed to be patched up with a bandage around the head McEvoy style. Put on a great tackle on Day to stop him dead in his tracks. One of the plays of the day was a clean takeaway from stoppage from newk to day to Ward who was screaming for it on the outside who then hit Ramma on the getting out the back. Mitch applauded it. It was bloody slick for Early December and Wardy looks primed.

Turning my attention to second group which included the forwards like Ginnivan and Croc and some of our defenders. The would kick it out to the middle of the ground and then Watson, Ginnivan or Breust would have the task of kicking it inside 50 to our other forwards. The stand out play for me was a kick forward long inside 50 where pack of about 3 or 4 and Mcabe comes screaming in running with the flight of the ball and nearly takes mark of the pre season. Exciting stuff he was booking he got there when I initially i thought he was no chance to effect the contest. The fact that he nearly took the mark brought me out of my seat and clapping and oos from the small set of ppl around the ground watching it.

The 3rd group were on the other side of the ground similar stoppage play by some of our younger mids, but kicking it inside 50 to a player either on the lead or runnning back to goal.

Once these drills had gone through all three groups they were called to the forward line and had everyone kicking for goal. Most of them handpassing to other to get it back and snap etc. Daysy wasn't happy having missed a snap.

They then got into some 15 on 15 intras. Yes intras in early December. The younger boys did some laps at this point and didn't take part. Day and Impey also looking on with sullivan getting a bit of a rub down.

We looked slick. Right from the first play. Almost play of the day We had the ball kicked to the wing to Weddle and he went for a bit of a gallop around a couple he had run 50 - 60m with a couple of bounces to the middle of the ground alas he didn't see Bailey Mac running in from half back on the chase. He tried to get around him but Bailey brought him down. Grabbed the ball and took off no one was catching him. He was just let down by the kick to butler in the forward line gave the defender a chance but Butler made it look good but picking it up cleanly, dodging around the defender and snapping truly.

The second qtr if you like of our intra. The play of the day Worpel without a doubt. It was set play with the blood rule from the back pocket and Sic kicked and stuffed the kick to which he wasn't happy. He completely missed the target and the ball landed in between the two players. Worps was on the boundary and ran towards it at pace picked it up cleanly as it was running away from him then turned on a dime put on the jets brushing of a player and then taking a bounce and delivering it forward.

Butsy was involved in a play that he wouldn't want to look back on. He got the ball in space inside 50 just took too long lackadaisical. He tried to run around too far and had his kick smothers for the ball to go the length of the ground for a score. Newk wasn't impressed after the play as they were making their way back to the center. He yelled out what was that butsy. Cmon man. We are driving standards to train with intensity. If you are getting smothered in that instance in pre season you're not focused and playing with the required intensity.

Interestingly we had DGB playing in defence. You have to like what Bennets brings he is just very consistent with his efforts. Ginnivan had a great running play though the middle of the ground. Other plays with our handball chains were super exciting. The familiar sight of Newk streaming out the middle of the ground to kick it long into the forward line. Our ball movement and connection sooooo much better. I repeat so slick for December. Wardy looking primed as I said and I have already mentioned Newk. However special mention goes to Sugar who has been outstanding this pre season.

I was extremely sad as I had to leave to get back to work. They were still going when I left. Till next time

As I was leaving I went up to Chad who was on the bike and told him I was so glad he stayed. we need him to guide our youngsters. He smiled and said thanks man. Love the Chad.
 
TheFourPillars said:
Training today at Bungil Bagora, a beautiful day, a real pity I had to go back to work. However, I took the opportunity to hang around a while longer today.

No Shows
Once again no one

Rehab

Wingard: Out in the middle initially and then walking laps with the trainer and then on the bike. Progressing really well on his rehab

Reeves: Still in rehab running and stretching on the far side followed by some laps. Then walked upstairs early.

Seamus: In rehab unsure what his problem is if anything. Was a short run on the far side before he went downstairs to the pool early.

Lewis: Still in rehab with the others running 200m and then laps.

Amon: Doing everything with Lewis.

Gunston: See Amon. Winked at me as he was running by. I felt like I was a groupie lol

Massimo: In rehab running on the far side and then running laps.

Chol: Doing everything with Massimo.

CJ: Once again, he was part more drills but gets pulled out. Then in rehab and doing laps around the ground at a fair clip.

The started with some running and flexing all part of the warmup. They do it every session. They follow that with full ground handball and kicking drills running around in 3 groups.

This was followed with 3 seperate groups:

One working at some stoppage and boundary throw ins kicking it to contests on the half forward flanks usually where we had Meek V Tucker. Tucker has really worked hard at his running and contest work over the break. He was very competitive against Meek. Stephens once again hard at work in these drills along with Newk, Day and Ward. Stephen's copped a knock where he was bleeding and needed to be patched up with a bandage around the head McEvoy style. Put on a great tackle on Day to stop him dead in his tracks. One of the plays of the day was a clean takeaway from stoppage from newk to day to Ward who was screaming for it on the outside who then hit Ramma on the getting out the back. Mitch applauded it. It was bloody slick for Early December and Wardy looks primed.

Turning my attention to second group which included the forwards like Ginnivan and Croc and some of our defenders. The would kick it out to the middle of the ground and then Watson, Ginnivan or Breust would have the task of kicking it inside 50 to our other forwards. The stand out play for me was a kick forward long inside 50 where pack of about 3 or 4 and Mcabe comes screaming in running with the flight of the ball and nearly takes mark of the pre season. Exciting stuff he was booking he got there when I initially i thought he was no chance to effect the contest. The fact that he nearly took the mark brought me out of my seat and clapping and oos from the small set of ppl around the ground watching it.

The 3rd group were on the other side of the ground similar stoppage play by some of our younger mids, but kicking it inside 50 to a player either on the lead or runnning back to goal.

Once these drills had gone through all three groups they were called to the forward line and had everyone kicking for goal. Most of them handpassing to other to get it back and snap etc. Daysy wasn't happy having missed a snap.

They then got into some 15 on 15 intras. Yes intras in early December. The younger boys did some laps at this point and didn't take part. Day and Impey also looking on with sullivan getting a bit of a rub down.

We looked slick. Right from the first play. Almost play of the day We had the ball kicked to the wing to Weddle and he went for a bit of a gallop around a couple he had run 50 - 60m with a couple of bounces to the middle of the ground alas he didn't see Bailey Mac running in from half back on the chase. He tried to get around him but Bailey brought him down. Grabbed the ball and took off no one was catching him. He was just let down by the kick to butler in the forward line gave the defender a chance but Butler made it look good but picking it up cleanly, dodging around the defender and snapping truly.

The second qtr if you like of our intra. The play of the day Worpel without a doubt. It was set play with the blood rule from the back pocket and Sic kicked and stuffed the kick to which he wasn't happy. He completely missed the target and the ball landed in between the two players. Worps was on the boundary and ran towards it at pace picked it up cleanly as it was running away from him then turned on a dime put on the jets brushing of a player and then taking a bounce and delivering it forward.

Butsy was involved in a play that he wouldn't want to look back on. He got the ball in space inside 50 just took too long lackadaisical. He tried to run around too far and had his kick smothers for the ball to go the length of the ground for a score. Newk wasn't impressed after the play as they were making their way back to the center. He yelled out what was that butsy. Cmon man. We are driving standards to train with intensity. If you are getting smothered in that instance in pre season you're not focused and playing with the required intensity.

Interestingly we had DGB playing in defence. You have to like what Bennets brings he is just very consistent with his efforts. Ginnivan had a great running play though the middle of the ground. Other plays with our handball chains were super exciting. The familiar sight of Newk streaming out the middle of the ground to kick it long into the forward line. Our ball movement and connection sooooo much better. I repeat so slick for December. Wardy looking primed as I said and I have already mentioned Newk. However special mention goes to Sugar who has been outstanding this pre season.

I was extremely sad as I had to leave to get back to work. They were still going when I left. Till next time

As I was leaving I went up to Chad who was on the bike and told him I was so glad he stayed. we need him to guide our youngsters. He smiled and said thanks man. Love the Chad.
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Sugar??
 

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TheFourPillars said:
Interestingly we had DGB playing in defence.
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With all our new forwards coming in (Chol, Gunners, Ginni, Wiz and Dear) and improvement to existing young forwards, he really needs to be a defender to get a game in 2024. I know Ginni and The Wiz are not ’like for like’ for DGB but both offer more than him as offensive match winners.
 
TheFourPillars said:
Training today at Bungil Bagora, a beautiful day, a real pity I had to go back to work. However, I took the opportunity to hang around a while longer today.

No Shows
Once again no one

Rehab

Wingard: Out in the middle initially and then walking laps with the trainer and then on the bike. Progressing really well on his rehab

Reeves: Still in rehab running and stretching on the far side followed by some laps. Then walked upstairs early.

Seamus: In rehab unsure what his problem is if anything. Was a short run on the far side before he went downstairs to the pool early.

Lewis: Still in rehab with the others running 200m and then laps.

Amon: Doing everything with Lewis.

Gunston: See Amon. Winked at me as he was running by. I felt like I was a groupie lol

Massimo: In rehab running on the far side and then running laps.

Chol: Doing everything with Massimo.

CJ: Once again, he was part more drills but gets pulled out. Then in rehab and doing laps around the ground at a fair clip.

The started with some running and flexing all part of the warmup. They do it every session. They follow that with full ground handball and kicking drills running around in 3 groups.

This was followed with 3 seperate groups:

One working at some stoppage and boundary throw ins kicking it to contests on the half forward flanks usually where we had Meek V Tucker. Tucker has really worked hard at his running and contest work over the break. He was very competitive against Meek. Stephens once again hard at work in these drills along with Newk, Day and Ward. Stephen's copped a knock where he was bleeding and needed to be patched up with a bandage around the head McEvoy style. Put on a great tackle on Day to stop him dead in his tracks. One of the plays of the day was a clean takeaway from stoppage from newk to day to Ward who was screaming for it on the outside who then hit Ramma on the getting out the back. Mitch applauded it. It was bloody slick for Early December and Wardy looks primed.

Turning my attention to second group which included the forwards like Ginnivan and Croc and some of our defenders. The would kick it out to the middle of the ground and then Watson, Ginnivan or Breust would have the task of kicking it inside 50 to our other forwards. The stand out play for me was a kick forward long inside 50 where pack of about 3 or 4 and Mcabe comes screaming in running with the flight of the ball and nearly takes mark of the pre season. Exciting stuff he was booking he got there when I initially i thought he was no chance to effect the contest. The fact that he nearly took the mark brought me out of my seat and clapping and oos from the small set of ppl around the ground watching it.

The 3rd group were on the other side of the ground similar stoppage play by some of our younger mids, but kicking it inside 50 to a player either on the lead or runnning back to goal.

Once these drills had gone through all three groups they were called to the forward line and had everyone kicking for goal. Most of them handpassing to other to get it back and snap etc. Daysy wasn't happy having missed a snap.

They then got into some 15 on 15 intras. Yes intras in early December. The younger boys did some laps at this point and didn't take part. Day and Impey also looking on with sullivan getting a bit of a rub down.

We looked slick. Right from the first play. Almost play of the day We had the ball kicked to the wing to Weddle and he went for a bit of a gallop around a couple he had run 50 - 60m with a couple of bounces to the middle of the ground alas he didn't see Bailey Mac running in from half back on the chase. He tried to get around him but Bailey brought him down. Grabbed the ball and took off no one was catching him. He was just let down by the kick to butler in the forward line gave the defender a chance but Butler made it look good but picking it up cleanly, dodging around the defender and snapping truly.

The second qtr if you like of our intra. The play of the day Worpel without a doubt. It was set play with the blood rule from the back pocket and Sic kicked and stuffed the kick to which he wasn't happy. He completely missed the target and the ball landed in between the two players. Worps was on the boundary and ran towards it at pace picked it up cleanly as it was running away from him then turned on a dime put on the jets brushing of a player and then taking a bounce and delivering it forward.

Butsy was involved in a play that he wouldn't want to look back on. He got the ball in space inside 50 just took too long lackadaisical. He tried to run around too far and had his kick smothers for the ball to go the length of the ground for a score. Newk wasn't impressed after the play as they were making their way back to the center. He yelled out what was that butsy. Cmon man. We are driving standards to train with intensity. If you are getting smothered in that instance in pre season you're not focused and playing with the required intensity.

Interestingly we had DGB playing in defence. You have to like what Bennets brings he is just very consistent with his efforts. Ginnivan had a great running play though the middle of the ground. Other plays with our handball chains were super exciting. The familiar sight of Newk streaming out the middle of the ground to kick it long into the forward line. Our ball movement and connection sooooo much better. I repeat so slick for December. Wardy looking primed as I said and I have already mentioned Newk. However special mention goes to Sugar who has been outstanding this pre season.

I was extremely sad as I had to leave to get back to work. They were still going when I left. Till next time

As I was leaving I went up to Chad who was on the bike and told him I was so glad he stayed. we need him to guide our youngsters. He smiled and said thanks man. Love the Chad.
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Thank you, I love it that Ward and Stephens are having a strong start to the preseason.

Did Ginni spend much time upfield or predominantly in the F50?

How did you see DGB in the backline, are we looking to develop him at both ends?
 
The draftees had a quieter day & watched a couple of drills from the stands with Zane, Weddle, Scrim & Chad.
They did a full ground sort of match sim for 10-15 mins but with Lewis, Chol, Gunners (+ Reeves early finish as well & Massimo) in the alternate group along with a mix of who was in bibs & tops it looked more to be a learning activity on ball movement.
They started from various parts of the ground.
Stephens copped a cut eyebrow & Dimma looked to hurt a finger by the way he was treated.
CJ was with the main group but did step out of some drills.
Mackenzie looks to have better leg speed than last year.
 
lyger said:
Thank you, I love it that Ward and Stephens are having a strong start to the preseason.

Did Ginni spend much time upfield or predominantly in the F50?

How did you see DGB in the backline, are we looking to develop him at both ends?
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Ginni is a forward. DGB needs a big preseason running well has speed let's see over the rest of the preseason
 
TheFourPillars said:
Ginni is a forward. DGB needs a big preseason running well has speed let's see over the rest of the preseason
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From speaking to Brett Ratten on Friday for the TH podcast, he alluded to the fact that DGB now might be going back as he showed great signs there in his draft year. Interesting change of circumstances possibly.
 
TheFourPillars said:
Training today at Bungil Bagora, a beautiful day, a real pity I had to go back to work. However, I took the opportunity to hang around a while longer today.

No Shows
Once again no one

Rehab

Wingard: Out in the middle initially and then walking laps with the trainer and then on the bike. Progressing really well on his rehab

Reeves: Still in rehab running and stretching on the far side followed by some laps. Then walked upstairs early.

Seamus: In rehab unsure what his problem is if anything. Was a short run on the far side before he went downstairs to the pool early.

Lewis: Still in rehab with the others running 200m and then laps.

Amon: Doing everything with Lewis.

Gunston: See Amon. Winked at me as he was running by. I felt like I was a groupie lol

Massimo: In rehab running on the far side and then running laps.

Chol: Doing everything with Massimo.

CJ: Once again, he was part more drills but gets pulled out. Then in rehab and doing laps around the ground at a fair clip.

The started with some running and flexing all part of the warmup. They do it every session. They follow that with full ground handball and kicking drills running around in 3 groups.

This was followed with 3 seperate groups:

One working at some stoppage and boundary throw ins kicking it to contests on the half forward flanks usually where we had Meek V Tucker. Tucker has really worked hard at his running and contest work over the break. He was very competitive against Meek. Stephens once again hard at work in these drills along with Newk, Day and Ward. Stephen's copped a knock where he was bleeding and needed to be patched up with a bandage around the head McEvoy style. Put on a great tackle on Day to stop him dead in his tracks. One of the plays of the day was a clean takeaway from stoppage from newk to day to Ward who was screaming for it on the outside who then hit Ramma on the getting out the back. Mitch applauded it. It was bloody slick for Early December and Wardy looks primed.

Turning my attention to second group which included the forwards like Ginnivan and Croc and some of our defenders. The would kick it out to the middle of the ground and then Watson, Ginnivan or Breust would have the task of kicking it inside 50 to our other forwards. The stand out play for me was a kick forward long inside 50 where pack of about 3 or 4 and Mcabe comes screaming in running with the flight of the ball and nearly takes mark of the pre season. Exciting stuff he was booking he got there when I initially i thought he was no chance to effect the contest. The fact that he nearly took the mark brought me out of my seat and clapping and oos from the small set of ppl around the ground watching it.

The 3rd group were on the other side of the ground similar stoppage play by some of our younger mids, but kicking it inside 50 to a player either on the lead or runnning back to goal.

Once these drills had gone through all three groups they were called to the forward line and had everyone kicking for goal. Most of them handpassing to other to get it back and snap etc. Daysy wasn't happy having missed a snap.

They then got into some 15 on 15 intras. Yes intras in early December. The younger boys did some laps at this point and didn't take part. Day and Impey also looking on with sullivan getting a bit of a rub down.

We looked slick. Right from the first play. Almost play of the day We had the ball kicked to the wing to Weddle and he went for a bit of a gallop around a couple he had run 50 - 60m with a couple of bounces to the middle of the ground alas he didn't see Bailey Mac running in from half back on the chase. He tried to get around him but Bailey brought him down. Grabbed the ball and took off no one was catching him. He was just let down by the kick to butler in the forward line gave the defender a chance but Butler made it look good but picking it up cleanly, dodging around the defender and snapping truly.

The second qtr if you like of our intra. The play of the day Worpel without a doubt. It was set play with the blood rule from the back pocket and Sic kicked and stuffed the kick to which he wasn't happy. He completely missed the target and the ball landed in between the two players. Worps was on the boundary and ran towards it at pace picked it up cleanly as it was running away from him then turned on a dime put on the jets brushing of a player and then taking a bounce and delivering it forward.

Butsy was involved in a play that he wouldn't want to look back on. He got the ball in space inside 50 just took too long lackadaisical. He tried to run around too far and had his kick smothers for the ball to go the length of the ground for a score. Newk wasn't impressed after the play as they were making their way back to the center. He yelled out what was that butsy. Cmon man. We are driving standards to train with intensity. If you are getting smothered in that instance in pre season you're not focused and playing with the required intensity.

Interestingly we had DGB playing in defence. You have to like what Bennets brings he is just very consistent with his efforts. Ginnivan had a great running play though the middle of the ground. Other plays with our handball chains were super exciting. The familiar sight of Newk streaming out the middle of the ground to kick it long into the forward line. Our ball movement and connection sooooo much better. I repeat so slick for December. Wardy looking primed as I said and I have already mentioned Newk. However special mention goes to Sugar who has been outstanding this pre season.

I was extremely sad as I had to leave to get back to work. They were still going when I left. Till next time

As I was leaving I went up to Chad who was on the bike and told him I was so glad he stayed. we need him to guide our youngsters. He smiled and said thanks man. Love the Chad.
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Just a note of thanks for your excellent summary, 4P.
 
perrdan86 said:
The pre season hero we all needed
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lol mate you mean lazy bastard who can't be stuffed... Already have RSI from typing all that shit out.

I need a secretary ;)
 

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