USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[stefcep]

Geez, you poor bastard! You're really working overtime trying to deflect from your own emptiness.

Getting back to what we were actually conversing about, why do you think the Libs will win Victoria in a couple of years?

I've answered that already.

Now you answer why you think low taxes, less regulation, and lower costs in Southern States are not the reasons why their Southern US economies are booming even when they are recurring themes in multiple articles? How do those incentives NOT result in businesses investing?

 

[stefcep]

No, the sooking happens when your misunderstanding of facts is demonstrated.

You've demonstrated not one fact so how could that be?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

This irrational behaviour is why conservatives keep winning.

Dont vote for the progressive party in a two party system cos they arent progressive enough and you end up with a conservative party instead. It is completely irrational to not vote when this is the system. If you favour one side over the other, even if you dont like that side, you vote for them. Or you lose it all.

They voted for Jill Stein . They aren't gonna vote for child killers. Kamala could have won their vote but she chose to back Netanyahu. It's not the muslims fault, it's Kamala's fault. Full stop.

 

[stefcep]

And if the people just 'disliked' Jeff and truly loathed Dan, why's Dan getting a statue but Jeff is just getting bitter?

Wouldn't be surprised if it was hack.sawed not long after its reveal-maybe even at the reveal.

 

[JB1975]

I've answered that already.

Now you answer why you think low taxes, less regulation, and lower costs in Southern States are not the reasons why their Southern US economies are booming even when they are recurring themes in multiple articles? How do those incentives NOT result in businesses investing?

No, you haven't. You mentioned some generalities and then went silent when I pointed out that the circumstances for a Lib victory are less likely than the Danslide of last election.

I didn't say that less regulation and lower costs haven't helped Southern states. You just made that up, or you're more confused than I thought.

 

[JB1975]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was hack.sawed not long after its reveal-maybe even at the reveal.

There are some deeply embittered people out there.

Some of them are even advising others to just 'accept the winner of the US election and move on'.

 

[JB1975]

This irrational behaviour is why conservatives keep winning.

Dont vote for the progressive party in a two party system cos they arent progressive enough and you end up with a conservative party instead. It is completely irrational to not vote when this is the system. If you favour one side over the other, even if you dont like the side you favour, you vote for them anyway cos its in your interests. Or you lose it all.

Genocide isn't really that 'progressive'.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

The denial and burn is big in this one.

More Trumpie projection. It hurts when the realisation dawns on you that the people arguing against you know more than you do.

For example, I demonstrated your misunderstanding of effective (all up) tax rates beyond doubt. You couldn't even provide a scenario where your claim of 60% effective tax applies. (And that's because it doesn't).

 

[Stokey]

MAGA is literally built on this principle.



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Strange then that Trump increased his vote with all the groups you say he vilifies.

 

[stefcep]

No, you haven't. You mentioned some generalities and then went silent when I pointed out that the circumstances for a Lib victory are less likely than the Danslide of last election.

I didn't say that less regulation and lower costs haven't helped Southern states. You just made that up, or you're more confused than I thought.

I gave you specifics, even an eg. dollar amounts per of debt. You read only what you wish to read.

Oh so you agree that low taxes, less regulation and lower costs (like coal generated electricty) are good for the economy? I'm sure Mr Trump will sleep better now.

 

[Royces Hart]

No, you haven't. You mentioned some generalities and then went silent when I pointed out that the circumstances for a Lib victory are less likely than the Danslide of last election.

I didn't say that less regulation and lower costs haven't helped Southern states. You just made that up, or you're more confused than I thought.

You’re arguing with someone that believes that EC votes are apportioned based on land size.

 

[Seeds]

They voted for Jill Stein . They are gonna vote for child killers. Kamala could have won their vote but she chose to back Netanyahu. It's not the muslims fault, it's Kamala's fault. Full stop.

And voting for jill stein is giving the presidency to trump. Stein only ran because putin is backing her and putin is backing her because her spoiling roll helps trump which helps putin take over ukraine.

Trump is in power because people choose not to vote for the only viable alternative in harris. Harris voted for harris. She aint responsible. However those who didnt vote for harris are responsible because thats how elections work. They place the outcome and responsibility in the hands of those who have the right to vote. Those who have the right to vote are responsible for how they choose to utilise that right.

 

[stefcep]

More Trumpie projection. It hurts when the realisation dawns on you that the people arguing against you know more than you do.

For example, I demonstrated your misunderstanding of effective (all up) tax rates beyond doubt. You couldn't even provide a scenario where your claim of 60% effective tax applies. (And that's because it doesn't).

Oh I know people who know more than me. It just happens you're not one of them.

I've been actively managed my tax affairs for 30 years. I'm comfortable with what I know about tax to not take notice of the opinions of a random.

 

[JB1975]

I gave you specifics, even an eg. dollar amounts per of debt. You read only what you wish to read.

Oh so you agree that low taxes, less regulation and lower costs (like coal generated electricty) are good for the economy? I'm sure Mr Trump will sleep better now.

No, you're vague and you're boring.

I suspect you're (a) Ralph Babet or (b) a cafe owner.

But thanks for your time.

 

[stefcep]

You’re arguing with someone that believes that EC votes are apportioned based on land size.

I never said the EC were aportioned on land size. Its a fact that sparsely populated States have proportionally more EC votes.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Oh I know people who know more than me. It just happens you're not one of them.

I've been actively managed my tax affairs for 30 years. I'm comfortable with what I know about tax to not take notice of the opinions of a random.

Haha, another staple of the Trumpie, personal anecdotal experience = evidence.

In managing your income tax affairs, was there ever a year where 60%+ of your income was paid in tax? Show us the calculation.

 

[Seeds]

Genocide isn't really that 'progressive'.

Which is why democrats were the progressive party of choice because the republicans are going to allow israel to continue and ramp up the genocide without constraint. Why are you giving trump free reign to do what he wants by saying he is equivalent to democrats?

Not to mention the numerous other domestic and foreign policy differences between the parties in which democrats are always the more progressive option.

 

[stefcep]

Haha, another staple of the Trumpie, personal anecdotal experience = evidence.

In managing your income tax affairs, was there ever a year where 60%+ of your income was paid in tax? Show us the calculation.

My average tax rate was 40%. I bought a car. I paid GST, LCT on the car. I bought a house- I paid stamp duties, fees charges, insurances, I paid land tax. I paid GST. You do the math.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

And voting for jill stein is giving the presidency to trump. Stein only ran because putin is backing her and putin is backing her because her spoiling roll helps trump which helps putin take over ukraine.

Trump is in power because people choose not to vote for the only viable alternative in harris. Harris voted for harris. She aint responsible. However those who didnt vote for harris are responsible because thats how elections work. They place the outcome and responsibility in the hands of those who have the right to vote. Those who have the right to vote are responsible for how they choose to utilise that right.

If they were your countrymen or relatives you would not vote for Kamala either and don't pretend you would..
If you want to blame anyone blame the racist Americans and Latinos.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

My average tax rate was 40%. I bought a car. I paid GST, LCT on the car. I bought a house- I paid stamp duties, fees charges, insurances, I paid land tax. I paid GST. You do the math.

No, you do the math. In any one year.

Average all-up tax rate of 40%, or average income tax rate? If the latter, what years? Because the average rate of income tax is (far) lower than the marginal rate for all but the highest earners, and the top marginal rate has been under 50% for decades.

The only time it would ever come close to being above 50% all up is a year in which you pay a one-off large charge like stamp duty on a house (a state-imposed charge, not federal). But people don't purchase a house, so that would be an outlier, which is what I said before. There are certainly not people in the private sector working 3 days out of 5 to pay the government, which is what you said before.

PS - insurance is not tax. Demonstrates a level of ignorance to include it.

 

[Blue1980]

As much as I think Trump should be in jail for his various crimes, think about this. In an alternate universe in which no criminal charges were laid against Trump since he left office, would that have taken enough air out of his martyrdom shtick for him to lose this election?

No.

 

[Blue1980]

The circumstances haven't shifted from the election. At all.

Except that the opposition is possibly more dysfunctional.

I think you've got a bit excited about the US election and what you think it means for elsewhere. You don't seem to have thought it through very much.

Seems some here think the US election is going to lead to 3000 years of glorious conservative rule around the world.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I most certainly have not sent any codes. False news.

I've just been trying to get an answer about why you think the US election will have implications for Australia. You're becoming rather frustrated by your own inability to talk sense.

Tariffs on our farmers. Climate change.Refugees from Gaza and Ukraine.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Strange then that Trump increased his vote with all the groups you say he vilifies.

Yes it is. The Russian bots helped and trump turning America into a cesspit of hate and racism helped as well.

 

[Xtreme]

Yes it is. The Russian bots helped and trump turning America into a cesspit of hate and racism helped as well.

Russian bots can't vote at the ballot box

I most certainly have not sent any codes. False news.

I've just been trying to get an answer about why you think the US election will have implications for Australia. You're becoming rather frustrated by your own inability to talk sense.

Unless Albo is a magician and magically fixes the "cost of living" crisis, he is a politically dead man walking.