USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[ElectricG]

Ignore woke culture war issues. Stewart is right, going Republican lite doesn’t work.

The right path for the dems is the Bernie path focusing on the working class and what unites people, not divides them.

The enemies are the lobbyists and billionaires hoovering up all the cash and power for themselves, not regular white/black/gay/trans/latino/men/women etc.

Softening a bit at five minutes to midnight doesn’t work. And nor does going full “they’re eating the pets”.

I personally believe that the road to vanquishing trump doesn’t need to involve any streak of populism. They just need to wake up to that fact that these types of politics are the domain of CEOs and a few internet people, and are utterly repellant to everyone else.

Again, if they were to renounce these politics and purge the party of all these types of operators, I genuinely believe they would have wiped the floor with Trump in 2016 and 2024. And don’t do it just before election. They need to establish a track record of being the type of people who can pass the “what is a woman?” test.

 

[Osho]

is that also the guy who said kissing a women is gay?

what an odd dude

Straight, the new gay.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Well, both. There is a reason the GOP are able to credibly accuse her of being a woke warrior. Because she is. Or at least, she was.
Going quiet on all thing culture-wars for a few months in the lead up to this election is not satisfactory evidence that they’ve exorcised their demons. Given their track record, they really need to renounce all of their race/gender/sexuality rubbish, otherwise the best they can hope for is smart/normal people giving them their vote in spite of all that.
But already we see the excuse making.

197K views · 1.8K reactions | "We have to stay woke. Like everybody needs to be woke." Kamala Harris’ vision for America, ladies and gentlemen. | By Marsha Blackburn | Facebook

"We have to stay woke. Like everybody needs to be woke." Kamala Harris’ vision for America, ladies and gentlemen.

www.facebook.com

 

[ElectricG]

197K views · 1.8K reactions | "We have to stay woke. Like everybody needs to be woke." Kamala Harris’ vision for America, ladies and gentlemen. | By Marsha Blackburn | Facebook

"We have to stay woke. Like everybody needs to be woke." Kamala Harris’ vision for America, ladies and gentlemen.

www.facebook.com

Yeah it’s not so much about what to do as it is what to not do.

Just stop doing that shit lol

 

[Chief]

Reshaped the federal court system for the better
Established the federal space force
Changed the tax code
Signed the "first step" act, into law

Among his many other fantastic accolades

Simply the greatest US President of all time - if he wasn't, he'd have lost the election last week

By the way - could you and FireKrakouer decide who is playing this character? It can get confusing.

 

[Chief]

Well, both. There is a reason the GOP are able to credibly accuse her of being a woke warrior. Because she is. Or at least, she was.
Going quiet on all thing culture-wars for a few months in the lead up to this election is not satisfactory evidence that they’ve exorcised their demons.

You know that the culture war stuff is generated by the rightosphere for click bait... yeah?

Harris didn't mention trans issues at all that I can recall. That was the Trump campaign and paid shills on YouTube.

Given their track record, they really need to renounce all of their race/gender/sexuality rubbish, otherwise the best they can hope for is smart/normal people giving them their vote in spite of all that.

Give us an example of this "rubbish".

But already we see the excuse making.

 

[ElectricG]

You know that the culture war stuff is generated by the rightosphere for click bait... yeah?

Harris didn't mention trans issues at all that I can recall. That was the Trump campaign and paid shills on YouTube.



Give us an example of this "rubbish".

I disagree re: culture wars being generated by the the rightosphere. I think it has progressive origins, somewhere around the time that Trudeau declared “because it’s 2015”.


Example of this rubbish: Biden somehow managing to make every covid-related speech all about racial minorities, Kamala saying that trans issues are the civil rights movement of our time, executive orders for trans rights, over-celebrating milestones that no sane person cares about such as “the first Haitian senator” or whatever.

 

[jatz14]

“Everyone is racist” is not an uncommon take even on this board.

Just the people who hate foreigners, but as you say, not uncommon on this board.

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[Chief]

I disagree re: culture wars being generated by the the rightosphere. I think it has progressive origins, somewhere around the time that Trudeau declared “because it’s 2015”.

Opposition to respecting people's rights and generally caring for others is definitely a righty self-identity thing.

Example of this rubbish: Biden somehow managing to make every covid-related speech all about racial minorities,

Jeez I don't recall that. Can you link one?

Kamala saying that trans issues are the civil rights movement of our time, executive orders for trans rights,

Why are you against protecting the rights of people who are trans?

over-celebrating milestones that no sane person cares about such as “the first Haitian senator” or whatever.

Is this an X thing? Did she Tweet and make a speech or something? Mention it on the news?

You seem to watch heaps more Biden and Harris speeches and stuff than I do. Genuinely. Never heard of the Haitian thing. Don't recall Covid speeches about minorities, except maybe he talked about the impact of the pandemic being borne out of proportion by people with less wealth and employment options?

 

[jatz14]

I disagree re: culture wars being generated by the the rightosphere. I think it has progressive origins, somewhere around the time that Trudeau declared “because it’s 2015”.


Example of this rubbish: Biden somehow managing to make every covid-related speech all about racial minorities, Kamala saying that trans issues are the civil rights movement of our time, executive orders for trans rights, over-celebrating milestones that no sane person cares about such as “the first Haitian senator” or whatever.

Your in a community of 1000 people.

85 are homeless.
250 cannot get decent healthcare.
125 have to work 3 jobs to be able to get by
309 cannot afford further education.
Every day someone gets shot.
Your school's run programs for7 year olds on how to duck and cover if they are being shot at.

You vote for someone who is going to handle the towns big issue. The 2 trans women.

Congratulations, your Maga, fighting the woke agenda, of... Thinking maybe just leave the trans women alone, and deal with something else?

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[ElectricG]

Opposition to respecting people's rights and generally caring for others is definitely a righty self-identity thing.

Na. This is about 'who started the culture wars?'. And I personally believe that the ABC, Buzzfeed, Vox, and those types of outfits running endless articles about "why is XYZ so white!?" came without provocation.

Jeez I don't recall that. Can you link one?

From ChatGPT:
"Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, President Joe Biden did bring up issues of race, particularly in relation to how the virus disproportionately affected communities of color. Several occasions stand out where he highlighted these disparities and connected them to broader issues of racial inequality.

Here are some notable examples:

1. Campaign and Early Statements (2020)
During the 2020 presidential campaign, Biden frequently mentioned the racial disparities in how the COVID-19 pandemic impacted African American, Latino, and Native American communities. He emphasized that people of color were more likely to be frontline workers and had less access to healthcare, contributing to higher rates of infection and death. In one campaign speech in April 2020, he said:

"COVID-19 has taken a disproportionate toll on communities of color, exposing the deep health disparities that exist in our country. Black and brown Americans have higher rates of chronic illness, and they are more likely to be working essential jobs that put them at risk."
2. Remarks on the Disproportionate Impact on African Americans (June 2020)
After the deaths of George Floyd and the subsequent protests against racial injustice, Biden connected the ongoing racial reckoning with the pandemic. In a speech at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C., in June 2020, he discussed how COVID-19 revealed and exacerbated systemic racism:

"This virus has hit Black and Latino families especially hard, laying bare the deep disparities in our health system and economy."
3. Addressing COVID-19 and Racial Inequality in Healthcare (2021)
After taking office in January 2021, Biden continued to address the racial disparities in health outcomes from COVID-19. In his American Rescue Plan speech in March 2021, he highlighted the disproportionate burden on communities of color:

"This is a moment where we can address long-standing inequities and make sure that all Americans, particularly Black, Latino, and Indigenous communities, are able to access the vaccines, treatment, and support they need."
4. Remarks on Vaccine Access and Equity (2021)
Throughout the vaccine rollout in early 2021, President Biden stressed the importance of ensuring that communities of color had equitable access to vaccines. He acknowledged the historic mistrust of the healthcare system among Black Americans, due in part to systemic racism, and the need for targeted outreach and support:

"We are committed to making sure that the vaccine distribution is done in a way that is equitable... It is critical that we make sure that vaccines are distributed to the hardest-hit communities."
5. June 2021 - National Health Equity Strategy
In June 2021, Biden's administration released the "National Strategy for the COVID-19 Response and Pandemic Preparedness," which explicitly focused on addressing disparities in healthcare access. The strategy called for outreach to underserved communities and promised to tackle long-standing health inequities exacerbated by the pandemic:

"This pandemic has underscored the stark and persistent inequities in our health system, and we are committed to addressing these inequities as part of our broader efforts to defeat COVID-19."
6. Discussions on Economic Recovery and Racial Inequality (2021)
Biden also connected the economic fallout from the pandemic with racial inequality. He argued that a strong recovery would need to address disparities in employment and income, particularly among Black, Latino, and Indigenous communities, who were more likely to have lost jobs during the pandemic.

In a speech in May 2021, he said, “As we build back better, we must rebuild an economy that works for everyone, with good-paying jobs that go to the people who need them most, particularly in communities that have been most hurt by the pandemic."
7. Addressing Anti-Asian Racism in the Context of COVID-19
While most of Biden's comments on race during the pandemic were focused on African American and Latino communities, he also addressed the rise of anti-Asian hate crimes, which spiked during the pandemic, often tied to xenophobic rhetoric surrounding the virus's origins. Biden condemned the violence and called for a unified national response:

"We need to face the truth: The pandemic has also led to a rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. This is not who we are as a nation."
8. Speech on COVID-19 and the Need for Racial Justice (July 2021)
During a speech in July 2021, Biden also talked about the role of race in the pandemic’s impact on different communities, emphasizing the need for policy solutions that address both public health and racial justice:

"The pandemic exposed the deep inequities in our healthcare system, particularly for communities of color. It is time to move forward and deliver real solutions for these communities."

Now I guess this the bit where you pivot from denying it happened to insisting that it was right to happen.

Why are you against protecting the rights of people who are trans?

This is a conversation about why the Democrats keep getting their shit ruined because they tether themselves to dumb ideologies that only fringe lunatics believe in, not about me and my views.

Is this an X thing? Did she Tweet and make a speech or something? Mention it on the news?

I don't have or use Twitter/X and never have or will.

Haiti specifically was just something I made up (hence "or whatever"). Electing the first female president was undeniably a component to Hillary's campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/19/how-harris-has-largely-stayed-away-embracing-first-woman-rallying-cry/

The above article is re: Harris's attempt to move away from that emphasis on "firsts". This article wouldn't exist if I didn't have a point. Pretty sure there has been the celebration of a few "firsts" with this election also. They need to just knock that shit off entirely. Nobody cares.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Just the people who hate foreigners, but as you say, not uncommon on this board.

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I keep hearing that people "hate" certain groups. That's an easy slur to throw around to stifle alternative opinions but completely untrue.

 

[jatz14]

Na. This is about 'who started the culture wars?'. And I personally believe that the ABC, Buzzfeed, Vox, and those types of outfits running endless articles about "why is XYZ so white!?" came without provocation.

From ChatGPT:
"Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, President Joe Biden did bring up issues of race, particularly in relation to how the virus disproportionately affected communities of color. Several occasions stand out where he highlighted these disparities and connected them to broader issues of racial inequality.

Here are some notable examples:

1. Campaign and Early Statements (2020)
During the 2020 presidential campaign, Biden frequently mentioned the racial disparities in how the COVID-19 pandemic impacted African American, Latino, and Native American communities. He emphasized that people of color were more likely to be frontline workers and had less access to healthcare, contributing to higher rates of infection and death. In one campaign speech in April 2020, he said:

"COVID-19 has taken a disproportionate toll on communities of color, exposing the deep health disparities that exist in our country. Black and brown Americans have higher rates of chronic illness, and they are more likely to be working essential jobs that put them at risk."
2. Remarks on the Disproportionate Impact on African Americans (June 2020)
After the deaths of George Floyd and the subsequent protests against racial injustice, Biden connected the ongoing racial reckoning with the pandemic. In a speech at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C., in June 2020, he discussed how COVID-19 revealed and exacerbated systemic racism:

"This virus has hit Black and Latino families especially hard, laying bare the deep disparities in our health system and economy."
3. Addressing COVID-19 and Racial Inequality in Healthcare (2021)
After taking office in January 2021, Biden continued to address the racial disparities in health outcomes from COVID-19. In his American Rescue Plan speech in March 2021, he highlighted the disproportionate burden on communities of color:

"This is a moment where we can address long-standing inequities and make sure that all Americans, particularly Black, Latino, and Indigenous communities, are able to access the vaccines, treatment, and support they need."
4. Remarks on Vaccine Access and Equity (2021)
Throughout the vaccine rollout in early 2021, President Biden stressed the importance of ensuring that communities of color had equitable access to vaccines. He acknowledged the historic mistrust of the healthcare system among Black Americans, due in part to systemic racism, and the need for targeted outreach and support:

"We are committed to making sure that the vaccine distribution is done in a way that is equitable... It is critical that we make sure that vaccines are distributed to the hardest-hit communities."
5. June 2021 - National Health Equity Strategy
In June 2021, Biden's administration released the "National Strategy for the COVID-19 Response and Pandemic Preparedness," which explicitly focused on addressing disparities in healthcare access. The strategy called for outreach to underserved communities and promised to tackle long-standing health inequities exacerbated by the pandemic:

"This pandemic has underscored the stark and persistent inequities in our health system, and we are committed to addressing these inequities as part of our broader efforts to defeat COVID-19."
6. Discussions on Economic Recovery and Racial Inequality (2021)
Biden also connected the economic fallout from the pandemic with racial inequality. He argued that a strong recovery would need to address disparities in employment and income, particularly among Black, Latino, and Indigenous communities, who were more likely to have lost jobs during the pandemic.

In a speech in May 2021, he said, “As we build back better, we must rebuild an economy that works for everyone, with good-paying jobs that go to the people who need them most, particularly in communities that have been most hurt by the pandemic."
7. Addressing Anti-Asian Racism in the Context of COVID-19
While most of Biden's comments on race during the pandemic were focused on African American and Latino communities, he also addressed the rise of anti-Asian hate crimes, which spiked during the pandemic, often tied to xenophobic rhetoric surrounding the virus's origins. Biden condemned the violence and called for a unified national response:

"We need to face the truth: The pandemic has also led to a rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. This is not who we are as a nation."
8. Speech on COVID-19 and the Need for Racial Justice (July 2021)
During a speech in July 2021, Biden also talked about the role of race in the pandemic’s impact on different communities, emphasizing the need for policy solutions that address both public health and racial justice:

"The pandemic exposed the deep inequities in our healthcare system, particularly for communities of color. It is time to move forward and deliver real solutions for these communities."

Now I guess this the bit where you pivot from denying it happened to insisting that it was right to happen.


This is a conversation about why the Democrats keep getting their shit ruined because they tether themselves to dumb ideologies that only fringe lunatics believe in, not about me and my views.

I don't have or use Twitter/X and never have or will.

Haiti specifically was just something I made up (hence "or whatever"). Electing the first female president was undeniably a component to Hillary's campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/19/how-harris-has-largely-stayed-away-embracing-first-woman-rallying-cry/

The above article is re: Harris's attempt to move away from that emphasis on "firsts". This article wouldn't exist if I didn't have a point. Pretty sure there has been the celebration of a few "firsts" with this election also. They need to just knock that shit off entirely. Nobody cares.

The provocation was that things were white and male with no obvious reason for this than, hire anybody at all, so long as they are white and male like me.

Why is it woke to point out the obvious?

The great underlying complaint of Maga.

Its so unfair, In the modern woke world, I'm being judged by the content of my character, and not the colour of my skin, the way god intended

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Reminder - don't try and evade the swear filter

 

[Brad Goodman]

Given their track record, they really need to renounce all of their race/gender/sexuality rubbish, otherwise the best they can hope for is smart/normal people giving them their vote in spite of all that.

If the human race deserved to exist the”woke” candidate would always win in a landslide. But alas.

 

[Xtreme]

By the way - could you and FireKrakouer decide who is playing this character? It can get confusing.

Sorry to disappoint but I post my opinion regardless and if others happen to share it perhaps we are on the right side of history.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don't know - Harris (Sam) says Repub ads in some locations were 1 third abt such issues. They may have been effective and resonated with folk who were quietly making their observations for the years prior, and their observations were reinforced.

Harris (Kamala) is one of the least effective communicators we've seen. She was obviously being risk free. Did she convince anyone of anything? Joy Reid thought she was flawless. Perhaps flawlessly evasive?

In the end we are talking about some 200k or so vote diff in 3 states. Hardly a lashing. Fine margins. Is there too much over reaction by shrill Dems, and too much smug swagger from Repubs? Possibly Yes and Yes, no?

All the while while Dems post mortemize, lefty media outlets molt, Trump is moving decisively with appointments, some of which are sending folk into either laughter or panic.

So maybe Sam Harris should have said Kamala should have actively distanced herself more from identity politics, but he made out like she was thumping the tub every day about trans rights.

I fee it undermined his argument a little, in what was otherwise a very powerful session.

He is right to focus on Trump’s pathological dishonesty and cheating, and on much of the media’s preference to let him get away with telling the most appalling lies.

At the very best, they remarked on his dishonesty. But they didn’t condemn it nearly enough.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think you, and others who say this, are just pretending to not understand. Cringe at Mark Latham calling solar panels woke all you like, you know what it means.

I’ve been called woke more times than I care to remember and I still have NFI what it means.

It appears to mean “not right wing”.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Sorry to disappoint but I post my opinion regardless and if others happen to share it perhaps we are on the right side of history.

Nah, your lot stayed in the diminishing jungle, our tribes moved out onto the Savanna and evolved.

 

[MPMonkeys]

I’ve been called woke more times than I care to remember and I still have NFI what it means.

It appears to mean “not right wing”.

As a general rule - it means well off white people who enjoy lecturing other people on how to think and act about issues that do not negatively impact them personally.

We used to call them snobs.

 

[ElectricG]

I’ve been called woke more times than I care to remember and I still have NFI what it means.

It appears to mean “not right wing”.

but if someone told you what it meant you’d just ignore it and be spotted in another thread months later saying you have NFI what it is

 

[MPMonkeys]

but if someone told you what it meant you’d just ignore it and be spotted in another thread months later saying you have NFI what it is

Exactly.

 

[Xtreme]

Nah, your lot stayed in the diminishing jungle, our tribes moved out onto the Savanna and evolved.

If that were true Kamala would have won. But she had a billion dollar war chest and still lost.

 

[carltonchelsea]

I’ve been called woke more times than I care to remember and I still have NFI what it means.

It appears to mean “not right wing”.

C’mon Gonz, it was a word invented by African Americans to keep their kids safe from harm from deadly white folks that wished them harm, “Stay alert, stay awake, be aware of your surroundings and safety for you and your kind”, in the early 20th century.
Everything else attributed to its existence and meaning is an abrogation.
This is totally tiresome having to explain this to be honest.
**** white America for the coercion of this wonderful word into its current position.
**** em

 

[Satan]

As a general rule - it means well off white people who enjoy lecturing other people on how to think and act about issues that do not negatively impact them personally.

We used to call them snobs.

Becs of Brighton