2025 New Coach and GM Reports

[Exe Gesis]

Leaving out the 2024 class because it's still early, Stroud, Burrow, Murray has been okay, Mayfield and I can't be bothered looking up the rest. But let me ask you this, what percentage of QBs drafted outside the top 5 have become good players? The answer is very few.

The percentage is low but there are very many great QBs drafted outside the top 5. Not like theres been hardly any, but many

 

[Exe Gesis]

Where are great NFL QBs picked? Analyzing 54 years of history by draft position | FOX Sports

Finding a franchise QB is hard enough, but if you look beyond the first round of the NFL Draft, your chances drop significantly.

www.foxsports.com

 

[Chewy316]

O'Connel just ain't good enough to be a starter, career backup, handy for spot duty. Wilson is at least a little more than capable at this stage in his career, but he isn't the bees knees either.

Raiders, Steelers, and anyone else in need of a QB really has to draft their own and hope they end up a franchise QB, because all those vets like Rodgers, Cousins, Wilson, Darnold, and all those young career backups just aren't going to ever cut it.

I think O'Connell's ceiling is an average to slightly below average starter. He showed in his rookie season that when surrounded with a run game and an elite D, he knew how to manage games and made enough throws to win games. Even this year despite how bad the Raiders were, he balled out against Kansas City in Arrowhead and was a botched snap away from beating them.

Is Wilson an upgrade over O'Connell? Probably, but I don't think it would be by a whole lot. Cousins is definitely past it. Darnold and Rodgers you could win with if they were asked to manage the game as opposed to carrying a team.

I maintain it's wise for the Raiders to be bad this year so they're in a position to draft a QB next year and have them sit behind a veteran. Better than wasting a 2nd on Milroe or Dart this year. Now that might sound premature, but I'm just playing the odds on QBs drafted outside the first round, which is that the overwhelming majority are busts.

If you're banking on waiting until next season, even when you look at who might be available, they'd have to be a bottom 3 team to get a true franchise QB. Not to mention we see all the time QBs who are projected as really good prospects 12 months prior to being drafted, only to have a shit final season in college. The margin of error is so slim that it only takes one or two wins to completely put you off track and being stuck in the abyss again. With a team that has some pretty good top end talent (Crosby, Bowers, Miller, JPJ, Meyers) just being competent in the coaching department will get them to 5-6 wins at a bare minimum.

Of course, you could try to increase your odds by trading Crosby for picks, though after Gruden tore things down with the Mack and Cooper trades in 2018, I'm not sure any fan is going to tolerate that.

Waiting around for a guy only means you get further left behind.

The good thing about Carroll's system is making life 'easy' for the QB. Great running game, great defense, good kicking game.

His system can work with a less than top ten QB.

Part of his issues with Wilson is Wilson wanted to be more of the focus, you might recall the 'Let Russ cook' BS that went on. As it turned out, it was pretty much a failure.

O'Connell isn't the answer, I'm not sure who is. I would accept a development year and look at QBs next off season. Problem is, everyone's impatient and wants results now.

GM hat on, get through next season, then next off season draft the next franchise QB, bring in a HC in waiting to learn from Carroll.

Carroll said in a recent interview that there are only a very select few QBs in the league who can be solely relied upon to carry a team to win. He went on to say that after those select few, in order to win you have to build around the QB, and like you said, make their job as easy as possible to manage their part of it.

So I don't think their plan per se is going to change much irrespective of who they get to play QB next season.

What I think matters is whether or not they target a free agent prior to the draft. If they get someone like Darnold on a 3ish year deal, that at the very least is going to give them leeway come the draft in April. It means they won't be pigeon holed at that point to draft a QB in the first round, and they might not actually even elect to draft a QB given Darnold's age (27) likely means he's going to get 2 seasons with his new team to have a true shot at it as a starter. However, if they get a true stopgap like Wilson, Fields, Rodgers etc, they are going to have to draft a QB this year with the intention of them starting in 2026.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

GM hat on, get through next season, then next off season draft the next franchise QB, bring in a HC in waiting to learn from Carroll.

This is what I wanted the Jets to do, hire Carroll and do what you've said above.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Leaving out the 2024 class because it's still early, Stroud, Burrow, Murray has been okay, Mayfield and I can't be bothered looking up the rest. But let me ask you this, what percentage of QBs drafted outside the top 5 have become good players? The answer is very few.

I went and looked through the QBs drafted from 2006-2011 and it is a sad sad list. Matt Ryan taken at pick 3 worked out, Stafford worked eventually but overall most of the QBs drafted (at any point of the draft) I'd barely heard of.

Mahomes, Allen, Jackson all taken outside the top 5. Lawrence was seen as a generational talent and seems to be just a competent QB (time still on his side but hasn't lived up to the hype yet).

Point is I don't know whether it's worth tanking a whole season or 2 in the hope of drafting a QB who will lead the franchise for a decade.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The percentage is low but there are very many great QBs drafted outside the top 5. Not like theres been hardly any, but many

Yes, there have been many. And, as a percentage of all QBs drafted outside the top 5, it's tiny. This topic is useless without numbers, so let me add some.


Credit to accforrandymossmix on Reddit.

If I'm drafting a QB and want them to be better than just an okay player, I'm taking them inside the top 5. I would only draft one outside the first round if I have a veteran starter and I'm getting a long twme prospect to sit and learn.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Where are great NFL QBs picked? Analyzing 54 years of history by draft position | FOX Sports

Finding a franchise QB is hard enough, but if you look beyond the first round of the NFL Draft, your chances drop significantly.

www.foxsports.com

The first table is fundamentally flawed because the art of drafting a QB and what scouts and GMs look for has changed every decade, if not every few years. The last ten years is worth looking at, 1970-2000 certainly isn't. So only the second table is worth looking at.

And even that has flaws. Firstly, GMs learned from previous busts about what characteristics and personality traits to look for. Secondly, Lamar Jackson would have never got a shot at playing QB in previous eras, he would have been pigeonholed as a WR. It took people like Warren Moon to go through a lot of nonsense for people like Lamar to fly. Thirdly, the Pro Bowl means nothing anymore when a scrub like Tyler Huntley is a Pro Bowler.

 

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[Constantgin]

Alot of the QB taken inside the top 5 talk is rubbish. The Teams drafting in top 5 are usually the worst teams talent wise so of course its going to be alot harder to succeed. Plus usually the organization is rubbish at drafting and filling needs that why they are in top 5 draft to begin with. Just getting a QB doesn't fix that.
Case in point 3 best qbs in nfl currently taken out of the top 5 are Mahomes, Jackson and Allen.
Chiefs made playoffs the year before they drafted Mahomes and finished 12-4 so team was pretty talented.
Ravens just missed playoffs and finished 9-7 so another talented team
Bills made playoffs and finished 9-7 so another team with talent.

 

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[Big Unit 30]

I’m no expert on grading coaching capabilities, but the Cowboys hirings seem to be a little underwhelming

 

[Monocle]

I’m no expert on grading coaching capabilities, but the Cowboys hirings seem to be a little underwhelming

i think thats the polite version.

 

[Big Unit 30]

i think thats the polite version.

When you’re a bear you don’t throw stones

 

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[aussiedude]

the easy way to avoid blocks is to offer a promotion, if you are offering the same job you cant cry when its blocked

 

[Constantgin]

I reckon they be fine if they were the ones benefiting thou.
Say they recruited a OC from another school/team they both would be fine with that guy bringing some of his own coaches from that school/team they wouldn't give 2 shits that school/team is getting gutted. Its only when it directly effects them that they have a problem with it.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Alot of the QB taken inside the top 5 talk is rubbish. The Teams drafting in top 5 are usually the worst teams talent wise so of course its going to be alot harder to succeed. Plus usually the organization is rubbish at drafting and filling needs that why they are in top 5 draft to begin with. Just getting a QB doesn't fix that.
Case in point 3 best qbs in nfl currently taken out of the top 5 are Mahomes, Jackson and Allen.
Chiefs made playoffs the year before they drafted Mahomes and finished 12-4 so team was pretty talented.
Ravens just missed playoffs and finished 9-7 so another talented team
Bills made playoffs and finished 9-7 so another team with talent.

Yeah but it’s a big change if you nail a good qb. Look at Burrow ..huge improvement to Bengals in his second year.

Texans with Stroud and also pick up Anderson and Dell ..huge change.
Now Daniels. Broncos with Nix and even Pats have something to build around. FAs want to play with exciting young QBs

 

[aussiedude]

If Moore knocks back the Saints job, which he should if he wants a fair chance to be a coach. That job is career suicide.

Who do they go for?

McCarthy has taken his name out and taking a year off.