Training 2025 Pre-Season - Standards are currently being driven

[Horizons_00]

Just cause Luke Mc is a bit of a spud footballer doesn’t mean he isn’t a decent leader in the day to day around the club. Just isn’t great at driving standards or performance but likely has other qualities to allow a coach like Clarko and the board
to endorse the captaincy

If it was purely popularity and Curtis Taylor won the vote last year you think Clarko would say yep let’s go

He’s an absolutely garbage captain. We’ve all already been through how bad he is for the young group. He should definitely step down, but of course he is one of the the “nice blokes”. And yes it was driven by the players vote.

If he was so good we wouldn’t have been so desperate to bring in leadership lol

 

[Hazey1977]

How many teams can we see ourselves losing to next year?

6? 9? #SternLook

Does ourselves at the intra-club count?

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[Gasometer]

When North have 10 out of the top 20 players in the competition, then we can take a leaf out of their book.

This is almost there and will be in full swing come 2028 onwards and the Media will be whinging about how dominant our List is and all the PP we got

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

This is almost there and will be in full swing come 2028 onwards and the Media will be whinging about how dominant our List is and all the PP we got

Conveniently leaving out who the PP’s actually were.

You’ll read about Wardlaw, Sheezel, McKercher and Duursma.

When in reality, none of them are PP’s.

 

[Skarrz]

He’s an absolutely garbage captain. We’ve all already been through how bad he is for the young group. He should definitely step down, but of course he is one of the the “nice blokes”. And yes it was driven by the players vote.

If he was so good we wouldn’t have been so desperate to bring in leadership lol

Never said he was a good captain? Just said he likely has some qualities which made the team vote him captain on the back of Parker saying his name.

 

[New_Roo]

The QLD members? How about the members who live in QLD who don't have an "interstate membership" because the club didn't play any games in QLD last season and won't in 2025?

So supporters then as opposed to members?


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[Del191229]

He’s an absolutely garbage captain. We’ve all already been through how bad he is for the young group. He should definitely step down, but of course he is one of the the “nice blokes”. And yes it was driven by the players vote.

If he was so good we wouldn’t have been so desperate to bring in leadership lol

How is he bad for the young group?

Not like he's ever been arrested out on the piss.

He's always diligent in his training and recovery.

 

[Sillygit]

How is he bad for the young group?

Not like he's ever been arrested out on the piss.

He's always diligent in his training and recovery.

When we fail to maintain a lead in a game, when we fail to stop or even slow down the momentum of another side for large swathes of games, those are, at the very least partial if not total failures of on field leadership.

We've given them both a good go at it, the results remain largely the same. Change is required. Our trading strategy seems to reflect that too.

 

[Del191229]

When we fail to maintain a lead in a game, when we fail to stop or even slow down the momentum of another side for large swathes of games, those are, at the very least partial if not total failures of on field leadership.

We've given them both a good go at it, the results remain largely the same. Change is required. Our trading strategy seems to reflect that too.

I dunno, I think he's just been unlucky to be captain at a poor time.

I mean I'm not sure how he's meant to make forwards chase or even get faster.

Agree with need for change though.

 

[Only Forwards]

How is he bad for the young group?

Not like he's ever been arrested out on the piss.

He's always diligent in his training and recovery.

I am of the opinion, like most things that have landed us where we are, that our leadership issues have pretty historic roots and that Luke and Jy are merely the last in the line that have been left holding the can when everything fell apart.

I am not going to dissect it but I believe that our current leadership issues are the product of nearly 20 years of accepting a lack of composure with the leaders the club has appointed, through the tenure of 5 coaches.

I am sure that off-field Luke and Jy are both fine, that they train hard and create an inclusive environment. To go where we want to go we are going to need more than that and our leadership group is going to need to show us, week in week out that they do the things that make us hard to beat.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Never said he was a good captain? Just said he likely has some qualities which made the team vote him captain on the back of Parker saying his name.

Yes but it's been pretty well established that a bunch of disgruntled middle aged men on an online footy forum have a far superior idea of what it takes to be a club captain than anyone who is currently playing the game.

 

[Tiberius]

Yes but it's been pretty well established that a bunch of disgruntled middle aged men on an online footy forum have a far superior idea of what it takes to be a club captain than anyone who is currently playing the game.

I, for one, consider myself very well gruntled.

 

[Chadwiko]

I am sure that off-field Luke and Jy are both fine, that they train hard and create an inclusive environment. To go where we want to go we are going to need more than that and our leadership group is going to need to show us, week in week out that they do the things that make us hard to beat.

Luke and Jy have been inoffensive and "fine", however from speaking to people who know, it was suggested to me that both men already know and understand they aren't the "leaders" of the playing group anymore.

Think of basically every extracurricular media opportunity the club has been involved in over the last 6 months. I'm talking about things like the Grand Final Breakfast, the AFL Draft, the Brownlow, etc etc.

How many of these events can you recall seeing Luke and Jy at? Very few, right?

It's because they know Harry is the new 'face' of the club, and beyond that he's also the guy driving standards amongst the playing group. He already "leads" the younger cohort, but also proactively seeks to work closely with the veterans.

He is the one.

 

[travelli]

Luke and Jy have been inoffensive and "fine", however from speaking to people who know, it was suggested to me that both men already know and understand they aren't the "leaders" of the playing group anymore.

Think of basically every extracurricular media opportunity the club has been involved in over the last 6 months. I'm talking about things like the Grand Final Breakfast, the AFL Draft, the Brownlow, etc etc.

How many of these events can you recall seeing Luke and Jy at? Very few, right?

It's because they know Harry is the new 'face' of the club, and beyond that he's also the guy driving standards amongst the playing group. He already "leads" the younger cohort, but also proactively seeks to work closely with the veterans.

He is the one.

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That's a bit exciting. I always assumed he was too young and we'd be putting too much responsibility on a young bloke. But If he wants the job, give it to him.

That's a great photo

 

[Junk yard]

Luke and Jy have been inoffensive and "fine", however from speaking to people who know, it was suggested to me that both men already know and understand they aren't the "leaders" of the playing group anymore.

Think of basically every extracurricular media opportunity the club has been involved in over the last 6 months. I'm talking about things like the Grand Final Breakfast, the AFL Draft, the Brownlow, etc etc.

How many of these events can you recall seeing Luke and Jy at? Very few, right?

It's because they know Harry is the new 'face' of the club, and beyond that he's also the guy driving standards amongst the playing group. He already "leads" the younger cohort, but also proactively seeks to work closely with the veterans.

He is the one.

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Is this as reliable as all your other inside information?

 

[Shinboner1]

Anyone down at training today?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Anyone down at training today?

They train tomorrow

Unless you are referring to aflw team who are training now

 

[spurs]

How is he bad for the young group?

Not like he's ever been arrested out on the piss.

He's always diligent in his training and recovery.

Not kicking it out on the full each game out of the backline would be a good start.

 

[King Corey]

I dunno, I think he's just been unlucky to be captain at a poor time.

I mean I'm not sure how he's meant to make forwards chase or even get faster.

Agree with need for change though.

This.

I reckon Luke is a good around the club captain and yes "good bloke" does matter here.

Like Ziebell, his courage and effort aren't up for debate.

However team fortunes and observable results probably mean change is required.

On the other hand I think Jy's condition, training standards and "follow me" playing style still hint at untapped leadership potential.

 

[Del191229]

I am of the opinion, like most things that have landed us where we are, that our leadership issues have pretty historic roots and that Luke and Jy are merely the last in the line that have been left holding the can when everything fell apart.

I am not going to dissect it but I believe that our current leadership issues are the product of nearly 20 years of accepting a lack of composure with the leaders the club has appointed, through the tenure of 5 coaches.

I am sure that off-field Luke and Jy are both fine, that they train hard and create an inclusive environment. To go where we want to go we are going to need more than that and our leadership group is going to need to show us, week in week out that they do the things that make us hard to beat.

Good post.

I think Jy doesn't get enough credit for sticking fat with the club and Clarko through the Hawthorn stuff though.

Was a really difficult time for him

 

[Only Forwards]

He is the one.

This sticks out like dogs balls.

However I have come around to him not being appointed Captain yet by something that ferball said about it placing a big target on his back, specifically about physical targeting during games.

I think he would be able to handle most of the mental load of the captaincy, however at the same time I think that he gets a year or two further development before needing to assume the full burden of it.

 

[Chadwiko]

This sticks out like dogs balls.

However I have come around to him not being appointed Captain yet by something that ferball said about it placing a big target on his back, specifically about physical targeting during games.

I gotta say I can't really think of any examples where Captains have been specifically targeted like this?

 

[King Corey]

I am of the opinion, like most things that have landed us where we are, that our leadership issues have pretty historic roots and that Luke and Jy are merely the last in the line that have been left holding the can when everything fell apart.

I am not going to dissect it but I believe that our current leadership issues are the product of nearly 20 years of accepting a lack of composure with the leaders the club has appointed, through the tenure of 5 coaches.

I am sure that off-field Luke and Jy are both fine, that they train hard and create an inclusive environment. To go where we want to go we are going to need more than that and our leadership group is going to need to show us, week in week out that they do the things that make us hard to beat.

Well put.

Chicken and the egg this.

Adam Simpson and Andrew Swallow were captains for our 7 finals campaigns over the 9 years of their captaincies.

Brent Harvey and Jack Ziebell oversaw 0 finals campaigns between them over the 9 years of their captaincies.

Probably correlation over causation. But still..

 

[Chadwiko]

You had me at 'Andrew Swallow'.

 

[Horizons_00]

Never said he was a good captain? Just said he likely has some qualities which made the team vote him captain on the back of Parker saying his name.

I know, but Parker only said Lmac name because he is the current captain. That’s it.

No one is looking up to Lmac nor listening to him as he has little to no leadership qualities lol