Expansion 20th AFL team location

[Coolangatta]

The Belconnen Penis Owl as a mascot

If we're going down that road they might as well introduce a pink clash jumper featuring a giant ****...atoo. They cheat in parliament, why not have five portfolios two mascots.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

If we're going down that road they might as well introduce a pink clash jumper featuring a giant utensil...atoo. They cheat in parliament, why not have five portfolios two mascots.

The clash jumper would be pink as the top two thirds to represent pigs, and grey along the bottom to represent the trough.

 

[neogh]

I get where you're coming from, I just think there are exceptions for those that would suit that, Canberra being one, Joondalup Falcons being another (though I'd prefer ACT over WA3 for team 20). The SW Pelican proposal was just them taking the piss.

The problem I have with the Laker name is it's too American, reminds me of the LA Lakers.

But Canberra can justify using it despite being American and all that, considering the Lakers name was reflective of Minnesota's nature, before they relocated to LA.

 

[eth-dog]

Canberra Owls is a good name. Not sure why it's such a big deal tbh

 

[Engimal v3]

True.

And I get it, too, I always liked the idea of NT and NQ having teams, they feel like the last remaining major gaps on the map.

But why not have both which = 21 teams, so if you have 21 you need 22 and ACT would be the other glaring omission to me.

Given the population and finances, ACT would make more sense first before going to the top end.

ACT makes way more sense than NT. If people thought Tassie was a pipedream, they haven't heard the NT's case yet lol

 

[Coolangatta]

ACT makes way more sense than NT. If people thought Tassie was a pipedream, they haven't heard the NT's case yet lol

That's just it, though, people thought Tasmania were being neglected by the AFL and I think they feel the same way about the NT, little do they know that ACT has had five rejected bids. It would've made sense for Tasmania to have a state team back in the 90s if the restructuring of the VFL and national expansion had just been ever so slightly different, but NT as far as I know never put their hand up until 2018. They weren't a shot back when the AFL was just starting out, then let alone now.

 

[Makeshft_Mauler]

Northern territorys entire ability to bid for a team will be based on fairness and history and nothing else and will have no feasible business case

canberras population is expected to exceed 500k in a few years, NTs meanwhile will grow to 300k in the same time, Canberra is expected to hit 800k by 2060.

the second largest town in the NT is bloody alice springs, is 15 hours away from darwin and only has a population of 28k, meanwhile hobart to launceston is 2 and people are already questioning if footy fans will make that trip

any discussion of putting a team in darwin should be laughed out the door as unviable.

 

[Canberra Pear]

The AFL currently has five birds and five mammals. The Tasmanian Devil will be the sixth mammal.

A sixth bird team is fine. And an owl, kookaburra, galah, cockatoo, or any of the other bird names that are being floated, are pretty unique in the AFL landscape.

 

[Makeshft_Mauler]

i think we default to birds because we dont have any natural Mammalian predators besides dingos so we default to the generic ones pretty much all world wide sporting codes do

lions
tigers
bears
oh my

Distinct lack of sea creature mascots in afl though which is odd given all our cities are on the coast.

Sharks
Serpents
Kraken
Barracuda
dolphins
Whales
crocodiles as well though not in the sea but water based

 

[neogh]

The AFL currently has five birds and five mammals. The Tasmanian Devil will be the sixth mammal.

A sixth bird team is fine. And an owl, kookaburra, galah, cockatoo, or any of the other bird names that are being floated, are pretty unique in the AFL landscape.

If they want to catch the entire Southern NSW instead of just ACT (as everyone suggests for an Canberra expansion), then a parliament of owl is only reflective of ACT.

 

[eth-dog]

The AFL currently has five birds and five mammals. The Tasmanian Devil will be the sixth mammal.

A sixth bird team is fine. And an owl, kookaburra, galah, cockatoo, or any of the other bird names that are being floated, are pretty unique in the AFL landscape.

I'd love more canines and marsupials tbh. Wolves (even though we don't have any), Foxes, Dingoes, Platypi, Echidna etc

 

[Coolangatta]

If they want to catch the entire Southern NSW instead of just ACT (as everyone suggests for an Canberra expansion), then a parliament of owl is only reflective of ACT.

I doubt a Canberra side would capture Southern NSW. Maybe if you call them the Canberra-Riverina Rangers but I can't see the Riverina people getting behind a Canberra team. It'd be better for a Vic side to just play a couple games there with Canberra as the away team. Canberra is better off playing all of its home games at Manuka.

I'd love more canines and marsupials tbh. Wolves (even though we don't have any), Foxes, Dingoes, Platypi, Echidna etc

Darwin Dingoes sounds cool, just not as a 20th team.

 

[Canberra Pear]

If they want to catch the entire Southern NSW instead of just ACT (as everyone suggests for an Canberra expansion), then a parliament of owl is only reflective of ACT.

There are plenty of owls in southern NSW.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I doubt a Canberra side would capture Southern NSW. Maybe if you call them the Canberra-Riverina Rangers but I can't see the Riverina people getting behind a Canberra team. It'd be better for a Vic side to just play a couple games there with Canberra as the away team. Canberra is better off playing all of its home games at Manuka.



Darwin Dingoes sounds cool, just not as a 20th team.

Yeah, even playing at Wagga Wagga is a bit of a stretch for a Canberra team. It would need to play in Canberra, just as GWS should be playing all home games in western Sydney. Its not as though an oval to suit a 10-12k crowd can't be found somewhere else in Sydney for use during the Easter Show.

 

[Coolangatta]

Yeah, even playing at Wagga Wagga is a bit of a stretch for a Canberra team. It would need to play in Canberra, just as GWS should be playing all home games in western Sydney. Its not as though an oval to suit a 10-12k crowd can't be found somewhere else in Sydney for use during the Easter Show.

3 games in Blacktown, upgrade if needed; AFL could do it.

 

[neogh]

As much it's unrealistic, the big reason why lot of football fans and personnels back NT as the 20th team, is prolly because of Indigenous Australians.

Since those in the latter works with them a lot, they see and believe a team in NT will help lot of troubled people and bring them hope, motivation and opportunities, and a platform would improve communities too. 3rd WA and ACT doesn't really have that because they're too rich to help.

See that the footy people backs NT, the TV media backs 3rd Perth/WA and Bigfooty backs ACT.

 

[Coolangatta]

As much it's unrealistic, the big reason why lot of football fans and personnels back NT as the 20th team, is prolly because of Indigenous Australians.

Since those in the latter works with them a lot, they see and believe a team in NT will help lot of troubled people and bring them hope, motivation and opportunities, and a platform would improve communities too. 3rd WA and ACT doesn't really have that because they're too rich to help.

See that the footy people backs NT, the TV media backs 3rd Perth/WA and Bigfooty backs ACT.

Why not try to make all three happen by 2050 then.

All would serve a different purpose: NT for community and representation, ACT for growth and representation and getting GWS full time in Sydney, WA3 for service to big market and reduced travel burden. Think long term.

It’s not like Canberra is an unpopular option with the footy public either. If SEN is anything to go by, it’s the third most popular choice, not far behind WA3.

 

[Coolangatta]

As much it's unrealistic, the big reason why lot of football fans and personnels back NT as the 20th team, is prolly because of Indigenous Australians.

Since those in the latter works with them a lot, they see and believe a team in NT will help lot of troubled people and bring them hope, motivation and opportunities, and a platform would improve communities too. 3rd WA and ACT doesn't really have that because they're too rich to help.

See that the footy people backs NT, the TV media backs 3rd Perth/WA and Bigfooty backs ACT.

Maybe the Voice Referendum would've won if an NT team was attached to it.

 

[Coolangatta]

Canberra Pear maybe you could try contacting Andrew Dillon (or his rep). Could take months for him to see it, though. If anyone can pitch ACT, it's you, I wouldn't do it justice. A message from AFL CEO, Andrew Dillon - AFL NSW / ACT.

ceo@afl.com.au.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Canberra Pear maybe you could try contacting Andrew Dillon (or his rep). Could take months for him to see it, though. If anyone can pitch ACT, it's you, I wouldn't do it justice. A message from AFL CEO, Andrew Dillon - AFL NSW / ACT.

ceo@afl.com.au.

That's pretty cool that they gave that out.

I assume it'll just go to his team, but I'll definitely write something up.

Thanks Coolangatta

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

18 teams is already too many. Many people are never going to see a premiership in their lifetimes

They were moaning about that in 2010 when the new teams were coming in, saying that they would be given so many high picks they would win all the premierships and clubs who havent won in years would miss out, but we've seen the breaking of 62 year, 57 year and 37 year droughts in the space of 5 years.
Whereas in the 16 team era we saw the premierships either go to Haw/Ess/Nth/Carl/Coll (who already had a go in the 70s and 80s/1990) or new non-Vic sides. Geelong and Sydney were the only teams to break a significant drought in the decade and a half we had 16 sides.

 

[Bjo187]

That's pretty cool that they gave that out.

I assume it'll just go to his team, but I'll definitely write something up.

Thanks Coolangatta

He forwards it onto his team, I got a response from Paul Hamilton when I emailed re. the nga's.

 

[Righteo]

Northern territorys entire ability to bid for a team will be based on fairness and history and nothing else and will have no feasible business case

canberras population is expected to exceed 500k in a few years, NTs meanwhile will grow to 300k in the same time, Canberra is expected to hit 800k by 2060.

the second largest town in the NT is bloody alice springs, is 15 hours away from darwin and only has a population of 28k, meanwhile hobart to launceston is 2 and people are already questioning if footy fans will make that trip

any discussion of putting a team in darwin should be laughed out the door as unviable.

It's insane to even contemplate it. No population no money no growth.

 

[Freomaniac]

18 teams is already too many. Many people are never going to see a premiership in their lifetimes

Well that's nice to hear. Good to see teams like Freo will never win a flag.

People complaining like you saying there is too many clubs.

At one point people were complaining that 10 Victorian sides is too many. LoL

 

[rapidfire7]

At one point people were complaining that 10 Victorian sides is too many. LoL

That's exactly what I think. If we keep bringing new teams in, some existing ones should merge/relocate. That's just my opinion obviously. I think 20 teams is definitely too many.