Retired #21: Dyson Heppell - Goodnight, sweet prince. What a legend! 🤙 - 24/8

[Lore]

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 27, Highly Evolved

 

[NAB777]

Yep agree i wouldnt want him adding anything more than another 3kg to his size. I remember reading something before about Pendles being 88kg around his 3rd and 4th years and then jumped to 91 and has stayed like that for his last 3-4 years now. Heppell still probably has a little bit of puppy fat still to lose ie: get toned more.



Im happy for Heppell to laconic if he is still doing what the coaches want with his defensive running however when that isnt the case and that happened plenty of times in the game from my constructive criticism above.

It has been scientifically proven that midfielders run faster when attacking than defending.
(OK, I made that up, but I bet it's generally true)

 

[lamaros]

Needs to learn how to kick the ball with less float. He always gives defenders a chance at the moment.

 

[Keystone agony]

It has been scientifically proven that midfielders run faster when attacking than defending.
(OK, I made that up, but I bet it's generally true)

Shouldnt be true

 

[Red Black and Blue]

There was one passage where Sidebottom ran the length of the wing and hit Cloke on the chest under no pressure. Heppell was guarding Swan 5 metres in front of Steele, the whole way, he needed better awareness that we had a spare in defence who could push up to Swan and he needed to pressure the kick.

 

[half time raffle]

There was one passage where Sidebottom ran the length of the wing and hit Cloke on the chest under no pressure. Heppell was guarding Swan 5 metres in front of Steele, the whole way, he needed better awareness that we had a spare in defence who could push up to Swan and he needed to pressure the kick.

Sorry mate but Heppell has done exactly the right thing. If he goes to the kicker a handball goes over the top and the centre of the ground is opened right up. The pressure is squarely on the shoulders of the man with the ball, the longer he has it, the more pressure builds, the more lactic acid builds up, the greater chance their is a skill error and turn over. Unfortnately sometimes the bloke will stay compossed and deliver, but if you run to the kicker you make his descision very easy.

 

[NAB777]

Shouldnt be true

Agree.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Disagree, Steele was barely jogging, doubt lactic acid build up would have been a factor. He held off waiting for support, but needed to push up when Steel got 80 metres out. Meaning he goes up over the top to Swan 60 out on the boundary with a man closing, forcing him wider. Swan under pressure probably results in a bomb to the top of the square as opposed to clean pass to Cloke 45 degree 30 metres out. Also you have to pick your players, Sidebottom is probably the number bloke who will you don't want to have the ball in space.

 

[Keystone agony]

There was one passage where Sidebottom ran the length of the wing and hit Cloke on the chest under no pressure. Heppell was guarding Swan 5 metres in front of Steele, the whole way, he needed better awareness that we had a spare in defence who could push up to Swan and he needed to pressure the kick.

Sorry mate but Heppell has done exactly the right thing. If he goes to the kicker a handball goes over the top and the centre of the ground is opened right up. The pressure is squarely on the shoulders of the man with the ball, the longer he has it, the more pressure builds, the more lactic acid builds up, the greater chance their is a skill error and turn over. Unfortnately sometimes the bloke will stay compossed and deliver, but if you run to the kicker you make his descision very easy.

Yeh mate sorry @RB&B

but yeh Heppell did the exact right thing in this situation, actually he did it very well to a tee (very impressive).

The only thing is possibly the spare man shouldve been yelling at Heppell to go to that player if we did i fact have a free man but IIRC they were quite far apart and its bloody hard to yell so hard when the ball is about to come into your D50 and your shitting bricks just trying to fill the right hole and read the ball.

Disagree, Steele was barely jogging, doubt lactic acid build up would have been a factor. He held off waiting for support, but needed to push up when Steel got 80 metres out. Meaning he goes up over the top to Swan 60 out on the boundary with a man closing, forcing him wider. Swan under pressure probably results in a bomb to the top of the square as opposed to clean pass to Cloke 45 degree 30 metres out.

It really is a fine line and very subjective to the coach and what he would do and some other player might think the other way is better.

I persoanlly would prefer what he did every time

I think the more important thing was how did Steele get so free in the first place? like we would never be having this argument/discussion if that wasnt the case (Stanton) i might be looking at you but id need to watch the play again.

Can you tell me what minute and qtr?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Sorry mate but Heppell has done exactly the right thing. If he goes to the kicker a handball goes over the top and the centre of the ground is opened right up. The pressure is squarely on the shoulders of the man with the ball, the longer he has it, the more pressure builds, the more lactic acid builds up, the greater chance their is a skill error and turn over. Unfortnately sometimes the bloke will stay compossed and deliver, but if you run to the kicker you make his descision very easy.

Although you'd rather Swan kicks than Sidebottom.

 

[Keystone agony]

Although you'd rather Swan kicks than Sidebottom.

Swans in goal kicking range though

Actually go on the collingwood board and read how they rate Sidbebottoms kicking most think its poor and that opposition fans over rate it

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Swans in goal kicking range though

Actually go on the collingwood board and read how they rate Sidbebottoms kicking most think its poor and that opposition fans over rate it

There are better kickers of the ball at Collingwood regarding accuracy under pressure and penetration, but no one comes close for decision making and putting it to advantage.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Using that argument, opposition posters would come on here and think that Myers and Hooker aren't best 22.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Sidebottom seems very good at clever little dinky kicks - a bit like Swan, but with more polish. Not sure about hoofing it though.

 

[Keystone agony]

There are better kickers of the ball at Collingwood regarding accuracy under pressure and penetration, but no one comes close for decision making and putting it to advantage.

They also very much so question his decision making

Using that argument, opposition posters would come on here and think that Myers and Hooker aren't best 22.

No it would be due to other things aswell

All im saying is Sidebottom isnt as elite in kicking as people outside of collingwood give him credit for.

When was this incident?

 

[Kong]

There was one passage where Sidebottom ran the length of the wing and hit Cloke on the chest under no pressure. Heppell was guarding Swan 5 metres in front of Steele, the whole way, he needed better awareness that we had a spare in defence who could push up to Swan and he needed to pressure the kick.

That was a shocker.

 

[yaco55]

I suggest that on the average, a Collingwood supporter would have a better idea of the kicking prowess of Collingwood's players than opposition supporters.

Anyway as I have posted before, I don't rate the kicking prowess of Collingwood's midfield.

Rate Sidebottom as a reliable kick up to 35 metres - Beyond that his kicking is unreliable.

 

[Towno78]

Heppell did the right thing to a point. He maintained close enough distance to both swan and sidebottom that they ran the length of the wing slowly and allowed the defence more time to set up.
However at the last moment he feigned an attempt to pressure sidebottom. This is the moment he should have actually gone hard to pressure sidebottom. Had he done so, sidebottom would have kicked under some duress, or gone over the top to swan who was hard up on the boundary.

 

[BrunoV]

What this all gets down to is that Heppell is still a really good young player as opposed to being a really good player. There is absolutely no harm in that, it is just nice to be able read a bit of discussion about Heppell's game that is rooted in reality.

 

[daffo]

Heppell did the right thing to a point. He maintained close enough distance to both swan and sidebottom that they ran the length of the wing slowly and allowed the defence more time to set up.
However at the last moment he feigned an attempt to pressure sidebottom. This is the moment he should have actually gone hard to pressure sidebottom. Had he done so, sidebottom would have kicked under some duress, or gone over the top to swan who was hard up on the boundary.

He had to pull the trigger earlier on that one. There was another one in the first where he was guarding space in the defensive 50. A ball was kicked high in the air and he was less than 10 metres from the drop zone. He actually stood in the same spot and didn't bother to influence the contest. Remember, he was guarding space, not a player. I think it was Blair that came from 15 metres away and took an uncontested mark. If this was Jack Watts, they would be laying into him for 5 days on talkback. The vision on the broadcast doesn't show it that well, behind the goal camera would show it perfectly.

In saying that, Dyson is a great kid and should become a great player for us. He needs to work on a couple of things (this & 40+ metre kicks) and he'll be a star. I still can't believe that no team has thought of tagging him. He will get stopped.

 

[Keystone agony]

I agree for me Heppell is susceptible to a tag like Danyl Pearce (port) Stephen Hill and now Andrew Gaff they have been heavily tagged not necessarily because they are the best midfielders at their club but because the tag has "most" effect on them.

The thing that goes for us now is do you leave Zaka, Stanton, Watson, and Goddard happily free - i dont think so.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Apparently rested this week.

 

[Ambrosia]

It says he's out with a groin according to the AFL website. He missed last years game against GWS last year as well if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Doss]

It says he's out with a groin according to the AFL website. He missed last years game against GWS last year as well if I'm not mistaken.

Yep, missed the games against GWS and Melbourne.

 

[Zach Package]

I agree for me Heppell is susceptible to a tag like Danyl Pearce (port) Stephen Hill and now Andrew Gaff they have been heavily tagged not necessarily because they are the best midfielders at their club but because the tag has "most" effect on them.

The thing that goes for us now is do you leave Zaka, Stanton, Watson, and Goddard happily free - i dont think so.

The 3 above are purely outside carriers though, heppell wins much more of his own ball than those 3 do, so I don't think he can be blanketed as effectively as a gaff or hill.

 

[marky53]

Apparently rested this week.

Yep just rested. No injury at all.