Retired #23: David Myers - Retiring at the end of the season - 20/8

[SirJimi05]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I am confused !

Who started this thread - Whomb or SJ ?

Should we start a poll !

Seems an academic argument - Watson was dominating games of footy in his 4th year - Myers is nowhere near this level YET - Although Happy with Myer's progress in 2011.

I certainly didn't start this thread, Yaco.

The bolded part was the only point I was making. Seemed academic to me also. Apparently not.

 

[lemon chicken]

Re: 2011 Official Trade/Delisting Discussion Thread IIII

I remember seeing Jobe playing CHF for Bendigo, and doing pretty well. Who would've thought..

Reckon he kicked 5 goals one day, not sure of the year, think it was in a final. Even his early years senior games he always played as a fwd.

 

[lemon chicken]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

Be interesting to see if Myers is selected ahead of Dempsey in round 1, 2012..

People need to give up on him "played in the middle all year" stuff..

Agreed, much prefer Heppell to go in the middle, we need to add some class and the cupboard isnt overstocked in that dept. We will never get better than teams above us by having a midfield of Watson, Hocking and Myers.

 

[Smyth94]

Re: 2011 Official Trade/Delisting Discussion Thread IIII

I remember seeing Jobe playing CHF for Bendigo, and doing pretty well. Who would've thought..

Jobe actually played CHF for Xavier in the APS competition during VCE.

 

[ant555]

Re: 2011 Official Trade/Delisting Discussion Thread IIII

Reckon he kicked 5 goals one day, not sure of the year, think it was in a final. Even his early years senior games he always played as a fwd.

Yes, kicked 5 in a VFL semi final at Port Melbourne.

 

[ant555]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I don't deny it and I've got nothing against anyone that does the same. I've even said that I don't care if people have personal cracks at me. It's all part of the fun.

I just think that mods should conform to a higher standard than the rest of us. I'm pretty sure that If I have a personal crack at Whomb im going to be wearing a red card pretty quickly.

Depends on how bad the attack is, i never changed my style when i was mod and there are plenty of other mods who are the same.

I do not see why a mod should have to be any different to what they normally are as long as there are no double standards which is why in all the time i was a mod i only handed out a few cards and that was only after letting the parties involved have plenty of rope.

 

[Towno78]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I certainly didn't start this thread, Yaco.

The bolded part was the only point I was making. Seemed academic to me also. Apparently not.

Whilst it's fair and quite accurate to say Watson showed a lot more than Myers in their respective 4th years.

You also ridiculed TheDon35 for saying Myers has shown about as much as Watson in his first 3-4 years. Considering Watson showed literally nothing other than glimpses of brilliance in his first 3 years, then exploded in his 4th. TheDon35's comment was not that unreasonable. I think this is where the confusion/argument has arisen.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

You could see Watson would be a good player from day dot. Even without the fitness and games he had something.

You can't say the same thing for Myers.

He turned the corner this year and should be able to kick on from here. I don't see why he won't be starting 22. I wouldn't be surprised if he explodes this year...... and I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets pushed out.

A leadership second tier career beckons in the mould of Harley, Maxwell and those types.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

Whilst it's fair and quite accurate to say Watson showed a lot more than Myers in their respective 4th years.

You also ridiculed TheDon35 for saying Myers has shown about as much as Watson in his first 3-4 years. Considering Watson showed literally nothing other than glimpses of brilliance in his first 3 years, then exploded in his 4th. TheDon35's comment was not that unreasonable. I think this is where the confusion/argument has arisen.

He hasn't. It's not even close.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

You could see Watson would be a good player from day dot. Even without the fitness and games he had something.

You can't say the same thing for Myers.

He turned the corner this year and should be able to kick on from here. I don't see why he won't be starting 22. I wouldn't be surprised if he explodes this year...... and I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets pushed out.

A leadership second tier career beckons in the mould of Harley, Maxwell and those types.

My intitial comment on this whole thing was that Myers looks like he will be a serviceable player for us.

I don't think he has shown enough at this point in time to suggest it will go the other way - exploding.

Would be wrapt if he did though.

 

[TheDon35]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

You could see Watson would be a good player from day dot. Even without the fitness and games he had something.

You can't say the same thing for Myers.

He turned the corner this year and should be able to kick on from here. I don't see why he won't be starting 22. I wouldn't be surprised if he explodes this year...... and I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets pushed out.

A leadership second tier career beckons in the mould of Harley, Maxwell and those types.

Still trying to work out how anyone could have seen anything more in Watson over his first 3 years than Myers of his first 3. Anyone who could have predicted Watson to go from being an overweight, plodding half forward / key forward to an elite midfielder would have to be nostredamus based on what he'd displayed to that point.

There's plenty of similarities between Watson and Myers and i'm still backing Myers to become a bloody good player. He's already well on his way.

 

[TheDon35]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

My intitial comment on this whole thing was that Myers looks like he will be a serviceable player for us.

I don't think he has shown enough at this point in time to suggest it will go the other way - exploding.

Would be wrapt if he did though.

I think he's shown this year and in glimpses over previous years that he'll be more than servicable.

For what it's worth, i actually agree with you to a point that he's not clearly in our best 22. But I think there's only about 10 players that are. From player 15 - about 27 - 28, there's not alot in it at this point.

His in our best 22 but not a lock week in week out with a full list to chose from... at this point.

 

[BrunoV]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I'm happy to agree with Womb and say that Myers could become a top 10 player at the club. Whether he is an automatic inclusion in our best 22 by round 1 next year is probably not clear cut at this stage.

Being a utility has hurt him a little, he is serviceable as a 2nd/3rd choice key defender, running half back or center square player. Hopefully Myers wont be asked to play as a key defender because we will have Hooker, Pears, Carlisle and Fletcher all available.

I'd love to see Myers developed as a midfielder. If he can maintain the current run of form and fitness into the preseason he will probably be the second best clearance player at the club behind Jobe. The detractors can scoff all they want but the reality is that he wins clearances when at stoppages (around the ground and in the center square).

Someone made a really good point about Buttifant and co needing to rebuild Luke Ball post OP. It took them two preseasons (inc all his time at St Kilda). If we can get Myers' speed, agility and endurance levels at the proper levels he will be fine whether we settle him down back or in the midfield.

I'd play him round 1 next year because the guys who he is potentially competing with for a spot in the side (Lonergan, Hibberd, Dempsey) are not guys who command spots in the side on past performance (I'd look at Dempsey in a different position). It is not as if anyone has actually gotten hold of Myers as a defender and kicked a bag. My view is that awkward moments turn into bad games too readily amongst those who (if the Bomberblitz thread is anything to go by) basically want Myers to fail.

The upside is there, it was on display against Brisbane, Carlton (in a final) and Collingwood late in the season.

 

[daffo]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

He played well enough this year to get a starting spot in the 22.

 

[BrunoV]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I think the thread is more about his position in our best 22.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

Myers has been picked every game when he has been fit. That is the definition of best 22.

Pretty much.
Just wish we could see him with a head of steam, a serious run of games fit.
Could be a magnificent footballer.

 

[fishardansin]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

You could see Watson would be a good player from day dot. Even without the fitness and games he had something.

You can't say the same thing for Myers.

He turned the corner this year and should be able to kick on from here. I don't see why he won't be starting 22. I wouldn't be surprised if he explodes this year...... and I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets pushed out.

A leadership second tier career beckons in the mould of Harley, Maxwell and those types.

I disagree with this. At the dreamtime game in 08 I saw a lot in Myers that made me think he will be very good. There were a few other things in that year that gave me hope.

Unfortunately he had an undisclosed injury to back/hamstrings/groin/hip that effected his running in 09 and 10. This year, and at times last year, he showed he was getting over that and could move well.

He is not slow but is not quick off the mark. This can be exploited when he plays down back. He is also not great overhead. He is however potentially a big bodied mid with a booming kick. I would like to see him in there more often. He wont be that inside mid that explodes away from the stoppage that we need. However, if we can draft or trade for that explosive player, lets call him Caddy for arguments sake, then an inside mid team of Watson, Hocking, Caddy and Myers rotating through the middle gives a good spread of big bodied mids covering different specialist skills.

 

[fishardansin]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I just saw BrunoV's post. LOL. I think we are the same person!!

If we were ever to share a beer and chat about footy I think we'd get bored within 15 minutes as there'd be no challenge to our views!!!

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

He is not slow but is not quick off the mark. This can be exploited when he plays down back. He is also not great overhead.

When?
I can remember a lot of forwards tearing up a lot of our defenders in the last 3-4 years. Pears/Jack, Hooker/Buddy, Fletcher/Buddy... in fact everyone/Buddy, Dempsey/Garlett, Slatts/Betts, Slatts/Johnson, Hocking/LeCras etc etc... but which game exactly did Myers' man have any sort of impact?

 

[Kong]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

Lynch got a few late goals in the game over there towards the end of the year.

Other than that I'm scratching my head. He doesn't really concede, does he, even when playing at CHB.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

Only thing I remember is him makign 1 or 2 really stupid mistakes and getting swung forward (where he was pretty good) in the third.

 

[The House]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

definitely best 22. I strongly believe he's going to keep getting better, and will be an integral part of the team by this time next year

fwiw i agree with this....next year and the year after i am confident he'll improve quite a lot.

The template is there and he's getting most of the important things right ....there's not as much wrong as some would think, and therefore when he gets a good run at it and gets a couple of extra things right, he'll start to carve it up onball.

 

[BrunoV]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

I just saw BrunoV's post. LOL. I think we are the same person!!

If we were ever to share a beer and chat about footy I think we'd get bored within 15 minutes as there'd be no challenge to our views!!!

Are you kidding? Nothing better than a little agreement

 

[whats_at_stake]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

He is probably best 25 but not a must in player (yet). Automatic ins are probably only: Stanton, Watson, Hurley, Hocking, Fletcher, Hooker and Monfries. May well take the next step next year.

 

[fishardansin]

Re: David Myers - Starting 22?

When?
I can remember a lot of forwards tearing up a lot of our defenders in the last 3-4 years. Pears/Jack, Hooker/Buddy, Fletcher/Buddy... in fact everyone/Buddy, Dempsey/Garlett, Slatts/Betts, Slatts/Johnson, Hocking/LeCras etc etc... but which game exactly did Myers' man have any sort of impact?

He is smart and competitve. He works for the front position to try to negate things like this. He isn't quick off the mark but as someone that could run a 51 for 400m as a junior he can certainly run. This is the sort of running that creates goals. In that he can help out in backline and then run hard forward and create an option forward of centre.

Hopefully next year Fletcher, Hooker, Pears, Hibberd, Demspey and Hardingham are all available for most of the year and Myers isn't needed down back. I would be interested to see how he would go with and extended run as part of the midfield rotation.