AFL Player #23: Harrison Jones - Clocks up 50th game v Gold Coast - 5/8

[Lore]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 22, Duckworth

 

[boncer34]

Maybe, maybe not. Needs to kick 30 before we can continue this conversation.

If he has a Josh Green 2014 stat year of 33 goals and 12 touches then we may all get excited.

Well if you want to point to his career disposals average then his goals average gets him to 29 and change next season.

 

[andleanback]

Harrison Jones Draft Profile

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “An athletic and developing player who can play in a range of positions because of his height and leap and has shown great dedication to any role he plays.”

central.rookieme.com

Hawks father-son Finn Maginness, top five candidate Hayden Young stand out at AFL Draft Combine

Hawks father-son, top five candidate stand out at AFL Draft Combine

www.foxsports.com.au

His endurance running is noted as a strength in his draft profile, and at the combine his 20m sprint, yo-yo test and running vertical were all pretty good.

Lack of continuity due to lower body injuries means he's playing catch-up but his capacity should be fairly good for a KPP.

He had some of the best gps numbers recruiters had ever seen in a tall forward in his draft year.

 

[ant555]

So reading through this people are saying his numbers should be at Cameron or Buddy level at the same age because he is at the same or better than the level of the next level forwards.

 

[Pweter]

I think years of mediocrity is seeing many expect kids to walk in and transform the fortunes of the club almost instantly, the patience of letting kids develop is replaced by a hunger for any sort of success and soon.

Jones was looking pretty good, since then he's been mostly injured. If he gets fit again then I look forward to seeing his trajectory and judging him accordingly, if he can't get fit then I'll be thinking "what if" off the back of his 2021 form as a young KPF.

 

[citizen-erased]

I think years of mediocrity is seeing many expect kids to walk in and transform the fortunes of the club almost instantly, the patience of letting kids develop is replaced by a hunger for any sort of success and soon.

Jones was looking pretty good, since then he's been mostly injured. If he gets fit again then I look forward to seeing his trajectory and judging him accordingly, if he can't get fit then I'll be thinking "what if" off the back of his 2021 form as a young KPF.

writing was on the wall in 2019
it was rebuild time. and not some quick refresh. 5 year minimum investment in the draft. Turnover of the list. Maturing of the kids. Then probably a good 2-3 years of adding "needs" via trade and FA before we can think about a flag.

we're into year 3.
Jones was the first pick of the rebuild, and he's a tall kid who was a mid 2nd rd projection that need to work on his strength.
Comparing him to top 10 picks who didn't have covid interruptions or injury impacting his development is apples and oranges.

feel we need a banner
2023 is going to suck
2024 hopefully less so

don't expect to be on the way until 2025 at least.

 

[faible]

So reading through this people are saying his numbers should be at Cameron or Buddy level at the same age because he is at the same or better than the level of the next level forwards.

Shouldn’t all KPFs picked in the second round be generational players?

 

[Maddogm]

Shouldn’t all KPFs picked in the second round be generational players?

Every player on the list should be top 10 in the league or why bother

 

[Keystone agony]

writing was on the wall in 2019
it was rebuild time. and not some quick refresh. 5 year minimum investment in the draft. Turnover of the list. Maturing of the kids. Then probably a good 2-3 years of adding "needs" via trade and FA before we can think about a flag.

we're into year 3.
Jones was the first pick of the rebuild, and he's a tall kid who was a mid 2nd rd projection that need to work on his strength.
Comparing him to top 10 picks who didn't have covid interruptions or injury impacting his development is apples and oranges.

feel we need a banner
2023 is going to suck
2024 hopefully less so

don't expect to be on the way until 2025 at least.

Going away a bit from HJ

But do we think in the space of 12 months we went from trading future 1st round picks and multiple 1st to a rebuild?

I dont know if wed previousily talked about this, maybe we had, but if the club doesnt expect to be on the way until 2025 then why was Stringer not put up for trade? Youd think he wouldve atleast got a 2nd round pick in the door. Similar can probably be said for Shiel

 

[faible]

Going away a bit from HJ

But do we think in the space of 12 months we went from trading future 1st round picks and multiple 1st to a rebuild?

I dont know if wed previousily talked about this, maybe we had, but if the club doesnt expect to be on the way until 2025 then why was Stringer not put up for trade? Youd think he wouldve atleast got a 2nd round pick in the door. Similar can probably be said for Shiel

Look at North to see what happens when you trade every single senior player away, we’ll already be close to rolling out the youngest team in the league next year.

 

[citizen-erased]

Going away a bit from HJ

But do we think in the space of 12 months we went from trading future 1st round picks and multiple 1st to a rebuild?

I dont know if wed previousily talked about this, maybe we had, but if the club doesnt expect to be on the way until 2025 then why was Stringer not put up for trade? Youd think he wouldve atleast got a 2nd round pick in the door. Similar can probably be said for Shiel

I think it was largely said without being said by Brasher in 2020.
Daniher leaving forced it. Which is probably why everyone panicked in '19 when he asked to leave and we ended up recruiting Jones & Bryan. All of a sudden having a superstar KPF to cover the gaps in our spine development was gone.

As Owen mentioned above. you can't cut to the bone on experience
Stringer, Merrett, Heppell, Shiel - they'll teach the kids and provide personnel whilst they develop. As we've seen, you can't throw kids in and expect them to succeed. it always fails.

With Shiel, you get a guy who can play into his 30s ideally.
Stringer is good for the side as well. Heppell is captain.
And Merrett was selling hope to the supporters. I reckon if he had his time again, he'd have left too.

 

[EnolaGay]

I think years of mediocrity is seeing many expect kids to walk in and transform the fortunes of the club almost instantly, the patience of letting kids develop is replaced by a hunger for any sort of success and soon.

Jones was looking pretty good, since then he's been mostly injured. If he gets fit again then I look forward to seeing his trajectory and judging him accordingly, if he can't get fit then I'll be thinking "what if" off the back of his 2021 form as a young KPF.

This.

He's a 22 year old round 2 pick KPF who missed his last year of juniors due C19 and hasn't had a uninterrupted pre-season since.

Aside from generational talents, most talls take time. Get a grip people.

 

[yodellinhank]

He's a 22 year old round 2 pick KPF who missed his last year of juniors due C19 and hasn't had a uninterrupted pre-season since.

Doesn't sound like he's going to make it when you put it that way.

 

[EnolaGay]

Doesn't sound like he's going to make it when you put it that way.

Take it is you will. I'm on the continue to develop him side, not the right him off side. If we're still debating his ceiling at 24 then I might be swayed to change sides.

 

[eth-dog]

This.

He's a 22 year old round 2 pick KPF who missed his last year of juniors due C19 and hasn't had a uninterrupted pre-season since.

Aside from generational talents, most talls take time. Get a grip people.

He didn't miss juniors for COVID. 2019 draft.

 

[ghostdog]

So this was on Blitz from TempleOfParish; alarming if true...

"You know what, I wasnt going to share this but I think now I will.

Jones missed most of this pre season because someone at the club thought it would be a good idea to do benchmark testing with weights whilst standing on barbell plates to test stability.
Jones got too close to the edge of one of the plates and rolled his ankle and thats why he’s missed most of the pre season.

For a bloke that had previous ankle injuries, I have no farking idea why this was how they run the sessions.
They have stopped doing that testing now, but too little too late.

I tend to agree that we have been absolute amateurs with our tall guys over the last few years.
Im really unsure how Murphy survived the axe, when I know people inside the club that were certain he was going to be sacked.

Shambles."

ant555, hear anything about this?

 

[DERO]

Maybe, maybe not. Needs to kick 30 before we can continue this conversation.

If he has a Josh Green 2014 stat year of 33 goals and 12 touches then we may all get excited.

**** yeah

 

[DERO]

So this was on Blitz from TempleOfParish; alarming if true...

"You know what, I wasnt going to share this but I think now I will.

Jones missed most of this pre season because someone at the club thought it would be a good idea to do benchmark testing with weights whilst standing on barbell plates to test stability.
Jones got too close to the edge of one of the plates and rolled his ankle and thats why he’s missed most of the pre season.

For a bloke that had previous ankle injuries, I have no farking idea why this was how they run the sessions.
They have stopped doing that testing now, but too little too late.

I tend to agree that we have been absolute amateurs with our tall guys over the last few years.
Im really unsure how Murphy survived the axe, when I know people inside the club that were certain he was going to be sacked.

Shambles."

ant555, hear anything about this?

Not having a dig but if true why is this the fitness team's fault if Harrison Jones can't even stand on a bumper without rolling his ankle?

 

[ghostdog]

Not having a dig but if true why is this the fitness team's fault if Harrison Jones can't even stand on a bumper without rolling his ankle?

I don't anything about the kind of testing that's being described, but I guess the poster is bemused that he was required to stand on anything at all? ...or maybe that no-one seems to have warned him that his foot was so close to the edge?

 

[ant555]

So this was on Blitz from TempleOfParish; alarming if true...

"You know what, I wasnt going to share this but I think now I will.

Jones missed most of this pre season because someone at the club thought it would be a good idea to do benchmark testing with weights whilst standing on barbell plates to test stability.
Jones got too close to the edge of one of the plates and rolled his ankle and thats why he’s missed most of the pre season.

For a bloke that had previous ankle injuries, I have no farking idea why this was how they run the sessions.
They have stopped doing that testing now, but too little too late.

I tend to agree that we have been absolute amateurs with our tall guys over the last few years.
Im really unsure how Murphy survived the axe, when I know people inside the club that were certain he was going to be sacked.

Shambles."

ant555, hear anything about this?

No.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Unfortunate we had to take him off. Don't know if it was managing minutes or he was just the best fit for structure/whatever but he was only two touches off his best game. While the game still had some contest in it, I thought he and Durham were the ones setting the tone. Great game, and great signs he's come back in such good touch after an interupted preseason.

 

[cobra land]

Unfortunate we had to take him off. Don't know if it was managing minutes or he was just the best fit for structure/whatever but he was only two touches off his best game. While the game still had some contest in it, I thought he and Durham were the ones setting the tone. Great game, and great signs he's come back in such good touch after an interupted preseason.

He came off as he was cramping but agree that he had a very good game.

 

[Call Me Cake]

He came off as he was cramping but agree that he had a very good game.

Heard Scott in the presser that there was nothing wrong with him, just "replacing a tall for a small". Obviously to give Tippa a chance at it and rest Jones as the game was already done then.

On Jones, just wanna say his footy/forward IQ was on display that day. The few flick handballs he did to open crucial plays that lead to goals were genius but things that are often unnoticed. Great contribution in that game.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I found it interesting that in his press conference Scott was at pains to emphasise how well Harry played his role on Sunday, and that whilst he hasn't been getting on the end of them like Perkins and Langford is no reflection of how well Jones is doing what he should be doing. At the game yesterday I thought the same - he was getting on his bike a lot, and took some really telling marks

 

[mike14]

His work rate was phenomenal, his leading patterns looked ok (I'm certainly no expert), and when he was at the contest he made sure the ball came to ground.
He's decision making is a bit slow (had several opportunities to advance the play but hesitated). Really just need him to work on that, and hanging on to a few more. The marking should come around especially when we get another tall forward or two back.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have him down in the 2s for a few weeks depending on availability, but I'd still mark him as a someone who should be having a very good career at Essendon.

 

[Learntopray]

Just had a look at his tracker numbers for the game.
Couldn't find another forward in the comp who ran the distance he did, not to mention the high avg speed.
Distance running is clearly not the issue.
Just needs to be running to smarter spots on the ground for more easy ball.