AFL Player #23: Harrison Jones - Clocks up 50th game v Gold Coast - 5/8

[Lore]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 22, Duckworth

 

[citizen-erased]

He is incredibly fit and willing to use that engine.
One of the reasons i don't see him as a full time forward is i think he can be quite the Riewoldt-esque weapon getting up the field and blowing his defender up.

Is also very good when the ball is on the deck.
Clean pick up skills and good awareness.

perfectly happy with how he's tracking. still not 100% he's the answer at CHF...but we could be doing away with the traditional fwd line "spots" thing, and just have a functional unit

 

[faible]

He is incredibly fit and willing to use that engine.
One of the reasons i don't see him as a full time forward is i think he can be quite the Riewoldt-esque weapon getting up the field and blowing his defender up.

Is also very good when the ball is on the deck.
Clean pick up skills and good awareness.

perfectly happy with how he's tracking. still not 100% he's the answer at CHF...but we could be doing away with the traditional fwd line "spots" thing, and just have a functional unit

IMO best case scenario is him ending up a Nick Reiwoldt style CHF that just runs his defender in to the ground offering a consistent marking target coming out of the back-line and generating scoring opportunities through pure work-rate. He's demonstrated good contested marking skills in the past as well. Jeremy Cameron plays in a similar way.

 

[citizen-erased]

IMO best case scenario is him ending up a Nick Reiwoldt style CHF that just runs his defender in to the ground offering a consistent marking target coming out of the back-line and generating scoring opportunities through pure work-rate. He's demonstrated good contested marking skills in the past as well. Jeremy Cameron plays in a similar way.

yep.
And i'd play him the "3rd tall" role with Wright and a taller, strong marking CHF in the side.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Even though hes not impacting the scoreboard much, I think hes still playing important football. Hes taking some big marks, constantly competing, I think his pressure led to more turnovers than anyone out there.

He compliments every other tall we have and makes us function. For me hes a lock still. I think we should staft giving him some ruck minutes to see if thats a viable option to get the ball in his hands a bit more.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

While Cox is out, he's in every week. Runs defenders absolutely ragged.

 

[SydneyBomber]

Needs a much bigger/better game against the saints if we're to be any chance.
Thought he was pretty ordinary against the Suns

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Even though hes not impacting the scoreboard much, I think hes still playing important football. Hes taking some big marks, constantly competing, I think his pressure led to more turnovers than anyone out there.

He compliments every other tall we have and makes us function. For me hes a lock still. I think we should staft giving him some ruck minutes to see if thats a viable option to get the ball in his hands a bit more.

Not just "important" but also "smart" football.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Needs a much bigger/better game against the saints if we're to be any chance.
Thought he was pretty ordinary against the Suns

By what measure?

 

[boncer34]

By what measure?

7 touches, 4 marks and 0 scoring shots isn't a great return.

As someone said above running patterns is only half the job. He did one half well, he did the other half poorly.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

7 touches, 4 marks and 0 scoring shots isn't a great return.

As someone said above running patterns is only half the job. He did one half well, he did the other half poorly.

By how many score involvements?

 

[boncer34]

By how many score involvements?

4. Guelfi had the same in 50% less game time.

Harry himself had 6 with significantly less game time the week prior.

 

[SydneyBomber]

By what measure?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan, but need more from him in absence of wright/weed etc

Needs to hit the scoreboard

 

[jmoo wan]

i’m concerned if we take him out of the team, who will address the fans on the pregame socials?

 

[andleanback]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan, but need more from him in absence of wright/weed etc

Needs to hit the scoreboard

Yeh correct but they weren’t targeting him inside 50 on Sunday, he was role was to get up the ground. The more they targeted him inside 50 the more it would bring Collins into the game. If he keeps up his work rate he’ll get some scoreboard rewards.

 

[TheGrizz]

4. Guelfi had the same in 50% less game time.

Harry himself had 6 with significantly less game time the week prior.

Sam Collins is a top 5 CHB in the comp though and his role was pretty sacrificial playing one out as a tall forward.
He will get Josh Battle this week and not be the primary focus of attention if Weid/Stringer come back.

 

[boncer34]

Sam Collins is a top 5 CHB in the comp though and his role was pretty sacrificial playing one out as a tall forward.
He will get Josh Battle this week and not be the primary focus of attention if Weid/Stringer come back.

We'll talk about this tonight. Let's keep our powder dry till then.

 

[ant555]

Interesting discussion on Harry.
Have listened to the views on the podcast and read here.
My view is more in the middle. I do not think his direct role was take Collins out of the game. His role was to lead up at the footy and make as many contests as he could. By doing that he is taking whoever goes with him to the contest. The way defenders roll over to different players it is often not the direct opponent.
So when Scott says he played his role that was his role. Lead at the footy and provide pressure when he could inside 50.
The conversation with Harry after the game would have been great effort with the work rate and pressure. Going forward we need to keep the work rate at that level but also chip away at taking a few more marks and finding the footy 15 times rather than under 10 .
My personal view is I agree that Harry will need a run in the VFL. I think a lot of his senior footy has been of the back of being selected not on form but necessity or development. He has not always been 100% ready for senior footy and has not had the run of form coming in.
In a Perfect world Wright and Weideman are playing alongside Stinger right now.
I do not see Voss as a like for like replacement as such as he does not take a lot of contested marks and is more a lead into space forward like Langford rather than a lead up contest forward .
Voss to me is Langford with more aggression or Stringer with a couple less tricks .

 

[Lore]

Interesting discussion on Harry.
Have listened to the views on the podcast and read here.
My view is more in the middle. I do not think his direct role was take Collins out of the game. His role was to lead up at the footy and make as many contests as he could. By doing that he is taking whoever goes with him to the contest. The way defenders roll over to different players it is often not the direct opponent.
So when Scott says he played his role that was his role. Lead at the footy and provide pressure when he could inside 50.
The conversation with Harry after the game would have been great effort with the work rate and pressure. Going forward we need to keep the work rate at that level but also chip away at taking a few more marks and finding the footy 15 times rather than under 10 .
My personal view is I agree that Harry will need a run in the VFL. I think a lot of his senior footy has been of the back of being selected not on form but necessity or development. He has not always been 100% ready for senior footy and has not had the run of form coming in.
In a Perfect world Wright and Weideman are playing alongside Stinger right now.
I do not see Voss as a like for like replacement as such as he does not take a lot of contested marks and is more a lead into space forward like Langford rather than a lead up contest forward .
Voss to me is Langford with more aggression or Stringer with a couple less tricks .

Voss gives off Draper vibes

And yes, more or less the opposite of Jones aside from their height.

I think Voss would be turned inside out by a full-size defender, as soon as he's out of position he'd be an angry bull in no mans land and not agile enough to get where he needed to be in time to impact, could potentially give away frees too if they rile him up enough. Apparently his read of the play is pretty good though so you'd hope he wouldn't be caught out of position too often, and depending on the match up his defender might end up rag dolled in a 1v1.

Jones on the other hand, agile, quick, runs all day, leads and leads and leads. Pretty smart in the contest with good awareness of the play and where his teammates are even when he can't see them, and not selfish if one of them is in a better position to kick for goal. More likely to be the rag doll in a 1v1, but they have to catch him first. He would get more out of his game if he learned better about where and when to lead, rather than doing as many as possible.

If Voss is 10cm and 10kg smaller version of Wright, then Jones is the 10kg skinnier Weideman, in rough terms.



In terms of Jones himself, he is 8-10kg short of where he probably needs to be and he's really a third tall at the moment. And with only a relief ruck as decoy he's getting more attention than he can handle in order to be effective. Like if you put him alongside a couple of other KPFs he'd most definitely be taking more marks and kicking more goals than he is with only a relief ruck to distract the opposition defence. He ended up pushing up the wings a bit more than he ordinarily would have to try and have an impact.

If you compare his role in round 1 to round 2, in round 1 he was based more in the 50 with Weideman and Perkins pushing up the wings to provide a marking target. In R2 Jones does what Weideman did in R1 but 10kg lighter, the defence is focusing on him and Perkins, while Langford is where Jones was in R1 with the better match up.

So something like this;

Position/role: Practice 2 > Round 1 > Round 2 > Round 3?
Key forward 1: Wright > Jones > Langford > Voss?
Key forward 2: Weideman > Weideman > Jones > Weideman?
3rd tall forward: Stringer > Perkins > Perkins > Stringer?
General forward: Durham
Small forward: Menzie
Small forward: Davey
Small/7th/sub: Walla > Walla > Guelfi > ?

I think for as long as the mature heads are injured, Langford really has to play forward.

No Wright, Weideman, Walla, Stringer means the average age of the forward line last week was 21.8. In round 1 with Walla and Weideman instead of Guelfi and Langford was 22.9. In the second practice match with Stringer, Wright and Walla instead of Perkins, Langford and Guelfi, the black team was at 24.7.

If Stringer wasn't generally a slow warm up after an injury, you could speculate on Stringer taking the role as a second key marking target in the forward line alongside Weideman and the third tall can be anyone you want, but with a bit of wisdom you might regard that as throwing Stringer in the deep end (to everyone's detriment).

If Weideman doesn't get back then I don't think you can play both Voss and Jones without someone to guide them. I think Jones is a beneficiary more than a provider of leadership in the forward 50 at the moment, but he at least has more idea of what to do than a debutant. I don't know if Stringer off-sets that. So probably in that case you have to have Langers forward, which then leaves you a bit undersized, with Jones being the tallest of the three and probably doing what he did last week unless Langford and Stringer are scary enough to attract the better opponent and give Jones the better match up.

If Weideman does get back then there's a speculative option to put Voss in next to Weideman and Stringer, with Langford going to a wing or the backline or whatever. In that case Jones comes out for Weideman. But you could just as easily have Langford, Weideman, Stringer as your three in that case, and Voss and Jones both miss out.

I think in terms of Heppell, if he's dropped then Durham can go to the wing and Langford/Perkins can stay in the forward line while Stringer returns. I don't think that really makes a gap for Voss and shouldn't affect Jones.

 

[Lore]

Mm I'll also speculate that the relief ruck is part of the forward rotations for the first half or 5/8ths of the game, but once the sub comes on (being a small forward), the pressure up forward goes through the roof and the ruck rotates into defence to screw up whatever the opposition has going on at the other end.

The interesting thing for Jones is if you look at quarterly time on ground for last week, Jones was benched for 25% of the first quarter, 20% of the second and third quarters, but only 10% of the fourth quarter. So he spent more time in the forward line as the resting ruck is there less (and had correspondingly more impact in the last quarter than he did earlier in the game also).

It's kind of two different game plans and two different structures before and after the sub is activated

 

[faible]

It's kind of two different game plans and two different structures before and after the sub is activated

What is this having a plan b thing?

 

[yodellinhank]

What is this having a plan b thing?

B Scott. If it doesn't work out we'll move on to C Scott.

 

[dank420_]

B Scott. If it doesn't work out we'll move on to C Scott.

I don't like where this is headed

 

[DapperDon]

 

[BomberTime]

Needs a month in the VFL for fitness and confidence.

Unleash the Voss!

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Needs a month in the VFL for fitness and confidence.

Unleash the Voss!

doesnt need fitness

needs weight.

he is a wet handkerchief in a contest