Traded #25: Jake Stringer - 📦 Traded to GWS for Pick #53 - 16/10

[Lore]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 19, Harlequin

 

[andleanback]

I didn't know it was a thing until I was reading an article today questioning the validity of the sub and how some clubs are apparently questioning whether it's being abused. They have to lodge paperwork with the AFL that it's likely to be 12 days or more unavailable, but they can send another medical opinion revising the amount of time the player will be unavailable after a couple of days later if it changes.

I doubt that paper work even needs to be sent these days.

 

[Lore]

I doubt that paper work even needs to be sent these days.

That would be so like the AFL. Who even needs policies

 

[Donakebab]

Stringer was a 1-2 week hamstring last time and came back after 12 days,

this time it's 3-4 weeks

"3-4 weeks"

 

[Duckworth]

 

[BratPack]

It's almost as if rushing back someone from injury who has long term injury issues was a stupid plan

 

[Lore]

"3-4 weeks"

Well yeah maybe but I don't think you can claim we always have "6-8 week" hamstring injuries on that basis?

I mean unless you're just using outdated lingo. 6-8 weeks used to be a "standard" hamstring, these days the treatment/rehab process for the same issue seems to be 3-4 weeks. Although I'm not sure if that's because they got better at scanning and grading injuries and instead of all hamstring injuries being either muscular tears (6-8) or tendon-involved (12) maybe they can now detect lower grade "1-2" and "3-4" week injuries when previously they lumped them all in together for 6-8 weeks on the sidelines?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Murphy pack your bags. Different leg but he looked so underdone Sunday. Have no idea how we allow one of our best assets to role out massively underdone, horrible management.

I wouldn’t be pointing the finger at him necessarily. He can advise and point out the risks, but I think it’s fair to say the rushing back of both Stringer and Merrett for Anzac Day was a pretty deliberate ploy.

 

[andleanback]

I wouldn’t be pointing the finger at him necessarily. He can advise and point out the risks, but I think it’s fair to say the rushing back of both Stringer and Merrett for Anzac Day was a pretty deliberate ploy.

Advise and point out the risks? His job requires a lot more than that. Everytime stringer comes back from an injury he looks like a crab, always takes him. 2-3 weeks to get back to fitness.

 

[MiguelM]

He looked terribly unfit. Is it the fitness guru's or is the culture at the club soft as butter?

We were not prepared for AFL footy in round 1, nothing has changed.

I know other clubs have their fair share of soft tissue injuries but they seem to derail us totally.

 

[ant555]

Would seem he does not cope with the extra work load he has done in pre season. Two years in a row he has a big start to pre season but is busted by the end of it. Difference from last year is we had a bit of desperation to get him back quickly.

 

[ant555]

Advise and point out the risks? His job requires a lot more than that. Everytime stringer comes back from an injury he looks like a crab, always takes him. 2-3 weeks to get back to fitness.

Last year they took their time with him and left him out for 2 weeks longer than they maybe would have and he got back to form. I suspect this year there has been a bit of desperation from the footy department to get him back . I wonder if he pointed out the risks but in the end the selection panel decided to go with it. Would not be the first time that pressure for a result over ruled the fitness advice in the AFL.
Think it is harsh to just say pack your bags. In general they have been pretty good as far as rehabbing injuries go until we where under the pump after round 1.

 

[CBombers17]

He needs to drop 5 to 10 kilos (and keeps it off) or his body won't hold up as he ages, and this all ends predictably

 

[ant555]

Either he drops 5 to 10 kilos (and keeps it off) or his body won't hold up as he ages - and this all ends predictably

I am not sure he can handle the work load. He is a player that had a massive injury as a junior and his whole time at the dogs and early with us he has never been pushed as far as he has in the last two pre seasons. When he came into the system he was on modified training for a long while. Maybe if we just find ourselves a player than can do the midfield stuff we can find a balance in his training. People are making way too much fuss over him being 5kg too heavy. And it is total rubbish to say he is close to 10kg over weight.

 

[CBombers17]

I am not sure he can handle the work load. He is a player that had a massive injury as a junior and his whole time at the dogs and early with us he has never been pushed as far as he has in the last two pre seasons. When he came into the system he was on modified training for a long while. Maybe if we just find ourselves a player than can do the midfield stuff we can find a balance in his training. People are making way too much fuss over him being 5kg too heavy. And it is total rubbish to say he is close to 10kg over weight.

OK so being clearly over weight isn't a problem for explosive athletes?

How many international sprinters do you know?

 

[Vindicater]

See yaater Murphy.

 

[ant555]

OK so being clearly over weight isn't a problem for explosive athletes?

How many international sprinters do you know?

That is not what I said at all.
My point is since they have had him training like a midfielder he has blown up and the weight is not the issue. The issue is he can not handle midfield work loads.
Think you would find he can keep the weight under control and play good footy if they modify what they are doing with him.
And I stand by saying his is not 10 kg over weight.
I will also say that being a person who can gain two kg by looking at a potato cake it is not always as simple as saying keep the weight off.
When I played and trained I was playing at 88-90 kg. When I did my knee and could not train I went up to 97 despite not eating anything sugar or fried and eating a lot of vegetables. It happens even if you stick to a strict diet for those who have slow metabolic rates. Anytime I could not train 100% I went up 6 or 7 kg and even after I stopped playing at 27 I put on 12 kg in the six months after despite still doing some bike riding and having a healthy diet.
That is why I said the weight issue is being over blown. Some people put on 3 or 4kg when they can not train at 100%.
It is not just black and white lose 5kg.

 

[carloss]

It's ok, it's his other hamstring.......

 

[andleanback]

Last year they took their time with him and left him out for 2 weeks longer than they maybe would have and he got back to form. I suspect this year there has been a bit of desperation from the footy department to get him back . I wonder if he pointed out the risks but in the end the selection panel decided to go with it. Would not be the first time that pressure for a result over ruled the fitness advice in the AFL.
Think it is harsh to just say pack your bags. In general they have been pretty good as far as rehabbing injuries go until we where under the pump after round 1.

Last year the 2 times he came back from injury he looked massively underdone. The 2 times he’s come back from injury this year he’s looked massively underdone. It takes stringer 2-3 weeks before he can play the role that makes him a top player In the afl. That’s not good player management from a S&C point of view.

 

[bacon buster]

I know there’s a lot of anger directed at the fitness staff. As there should be. They’ve appeared to let the club down with a number of injuries this year.

At the end of the day, with this one, it’s Jake’s body. I blame him as much as anyone. He hasn’t looked after himself and he’s let the club down.

 

[ant555]

Last year the 2 times he came back from injury he looked massively underdone. The 2 times he’s come back from injury this year he’s looked massively underdone. It takes stringer 2-3 weeks before he can play the role that makes him a top player In the afl. That’s not good player management from a S&C point of view.

He did not look as under done last year as he did this year and the second time he came back he actually hit the ground running and never looked back. Both times he managed to stay on the ground for at least 6 weeks. In general over his whole career he has taken at least two games to get back into some sort of form. Like I said sometimes football department pressure trumps the medical staff.

 

[ant555]

I know there’s a lot of anger directed at the fitness staff. As there should be. They’ve appeared to let the club down with a number of injuries this year.

At the end of the day, with this one, it’s Jake’s body. I blame him as much as anyone. He hasn’t looked after himself and he’s let the club down.

You know his medical history and what his metabolic rate is and have been hiding in his front garden and spying on him ? Seen him down at the fish shop ?

 

[bacon buster]

You know his medical history and what his metabolic rate is and have been hiding in his front garden and spying on him ? Seen him down at the fish shop ?

Nope. I saw him running around the last 2 weeks overweight and underdone. Have you watched him play or no?

 

[ant555]

Nope. I saw him running around the last 2 weeks overweight and underdone. Have you watched him play or no?

So what you looked at him. Like I said have you got the full story ?
No you do not . You do not know the circumstances so it is 1+1 = 5.
Players can gain weight and still be doing the right thing. Some players actually have to be training at 100% and playing to keep the weight off.

 

[andleanback]

He did not look as under done last year as he did this year and the second time he came back he actually hit the ground running and never looked back. Both times he managed to stay on the ground for at least 6 weeks. In general over his whole career he has taken at least two games to get back into some sort of form. Like I said sometimes football department pressure trumps the medical staff.

He was massively underdone against st Kilda and west coast. Could hardly run and spent most of the day deep forward. Obviously he’s good enough to kick goals, but he could hardly cover the ground.

 

[ant555]

He was massively underdone against st Kilda and west coast. Could hardly run and spent most of the day deep forward. Obviously he’s good enough to kick goals, but he could hardly cover the ground.

And did he get better the next week and the next week and then play at least 6 games ? Has it been the same throughout his career ? I would say he is a bloke who needs a few games to get back up and running and is good enough to play a role while he does. Are you saying we should have played him 3 weeks in the VFL last year ?
They rushed it this year but you are barking up the wrong tree from last year. He may have needed a bit of a run but he is a player that needs that and his career has proven it.