Traded #25: Jake Stringer - 📦 Traded to GWS for Pick #53 - 16/10

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Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
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Jake’s rich vein of form coincided with our ascendency in 2021. He’s that good - we made finals because he willed us over the line in a couple of games.

Unfortunately, making finals on the back of individual brilliance is not sustainable.

He papered over our lack of physically imposing, damaging midfielders.

We shouldn’t be playing him in the middle - we need to build a midfield that can compete without Stringers cameos.

With another injury interrupted year, the experiment of training him as a midfielder should be put to bed.
 

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FlyingV said:
Yeah I just though it jarring that we want this guy to be our big bodied mid/forward hybrid and he’s not been running 2kms which most mids hang their hat on to smash in the preseason as a metric to determine their fitness. But granted the game is changing and he’s a power athlete. I mean whatever he was doing back part of last season is what we need more of!
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Just a correction.
He has never not been running, and certainly not avoiding running 2k.
It's the type of running he has been doing.
I think anyone that watches him play and his build knows he is predisposed to being a burst athlete, and he has always trained as such. Short sprints, 2km,1km, 800,600,400,200, 100 repeats so he is training the same system all the time because he played forward only he got away with it most of his career.
That system also is where he is naturally already strong at.

What he did is he started getting actual kms into his legs by doing long slow runs of 5/8/10km at low heart rate.

There's nothing wrong with this, except he did it it in one go, in the offseason.
He then came back and did an AFL preseason and his Achilles flared up, overuse injury.
His type, they lose their top end fitness, that ability to run long distance drops off really quickly , but he maintains his burst well. Good thing is you can earn it back pretty quick so he had a really good second half to the year.

He then doubles down and does even more this offseason and his groin has failed him, which as bad as overuse Achilles injury is, groin is 10x worse because as we all know it robs you of your explosiveness. So he loses his long running fitness, and his natural burst is lessened as well.

He is not lazy, he has tried to address a major issue with himself in one offseason and then a second offseason. He has simply got the balance wrong and its hurt him.
He's not sitting on the couch smashing bags of chips.
Yes his standards may not be absolutely 100%, but many AFL players aren't.
He is actually the same as Walla, both have to work insanely hard to maintain the long distance running work as they are naturally burst athletes. Their long distance running fitness drops off quickly.
 
People blaming the fitness department for him being rushed back to play; you do understand the fitness department doesn't select the team each week right?

They'd condition the players, and - in conjunction with the club doctor - would advise on the physical condition of the player as to whether or not that might be ready to play.

Fitness department - 'Jake isn't fully fit but he's running normally and building up to full fitness. We'd like to give him another few weeks to get him back close to 100%.'

Match committee - 'We desperately need to win so we're bringing him in early and will manage his role to reduce his running.'

If we were 4 - 1 going in to Anzac Day we almost definitely don't play him, instead we were 1 - 4 and trying to pinch a win so he was rushed back with the idea that he could build fitness in the seniors and play more minutes forward and still be a scoring threat since we're sorely lacking those. He's the kind of guy who doesn't need to be 100% fit to impact a game, so we often see him rushed back in a bit early because he's a match winner even playing mostly forward at 70% fitness, which then takes the 2-3 weeks to build back closer to 100% match fitness that people complain about.

As Mercurial says above, some guys don't easily build or maintain aerobic fitness; Stringer and AMT are two examples of this, great natural burst players who are strong but have to work really hard to build and maintain their aerobic conditioning and keep the extra few kilos off.

We've seen it over and again now with Stringer, building him up with midfield running loads appears to be something that his body can't handle. We tried playing him as a midfielder and he lost his match-winning explosive power out of stoppages. We found a new 'striker' role that better suited his abilities, getting him in to centre and forward-half stoppages where he's a scoring threat, but not having to run genuine midfield distances. Then last offseason Stringer once again tried to build his aerobic base, allowing him to do more of the work around forward half stoppages, and has broken down.
 
bacon buster said:
Yet I seem to have more people agreeing with me than you?

What gives you the right to say my opinion is 2 years out of date? Maybe you’re too close to the situation to see properly. Take the red and black jocks off and step back for a moment.

You probably should hang in your moderator badge if you can’t accept other peoples views as well. Last I checked this was a discussion forum. You don’t get too far with circle jerks
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Well done. Attack the person .
Where is the proof you are right ?
Do you know he is not doing 100 % what the club is asking him to do ?
That he is not sticking to rehab plans and diet and training?
Do you know what his actual weight would be if he was living a normal healthy lifestyle?
Do you have medical records for him ?
Have you been going through his rubbish?
I there some sort of standard template AFL players fit into ?

All you can say is he looks fat , which most do not dispute, but you have zero facts and no actual substance to back it up. Talk about straw man arguments.
 
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ant555 said:
Well done. Attack the person .
Where is the proof you are right ?
Do you know he is not doing 100 % what the club is asking him to do ?
That he is not sticking to rehab plans and diet and training?
Do you know what his actual weight would be if he was living a normal healthy lifestyle?
Do you have medical records for him ?
Have you been going through his rubbish?
I there some sort of standard template AFL players fit into ?

All you can say is he looks fat , which most do not dispute, but you have zero facts and no actual substance to back it up. Talk about straw man arguments.
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i didn't attack the man. Lore was picking and choosing what he responded to, and basically just said "you're two years out of date"

i've just seen him play overweight and far from 100%, similar to 2 years ago. he's now injured, again. so i guess that's the proof.

are you saying he's doing everything 100% right, and it's the medical teams fault is it? match committee? anyone but Jake?
 
Can everyone please just take a chill pill.
 
bacon buster said:
i didn't attack the man. Lore was picking and choosing what he responded to, and basically just said "you're two years out of date"

i've just seen him play overweight and far from 100%, similar to 2 years ago. he's now injured, again. so i guess that's the proof.

are you saying he's doing everything 100% right, and it's the medical teams fault is it? match committee? anyone but Jake?
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You also admitted that he was as fit as he's ever been this preseason, got injured, got rushed back underdone, and is now injured again.

Which part of the above was in Stringers control?
 
bacon buster said:
i didn't attack the man. Lore was picking and choosing what he responded to, and basically just said "you're two years out of date"

i've just seen him play overweight and far from 100%, similar to 2 years ago. he's now injured, again. so i guess that's the proof.

are you saying he's doing everything 100% right, and it's the medical teams fault is it? match committee? anyone but Jake?
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All I have said was yes he is overweight but I have challenged the theory that he is not professional so that is why he is over weight.
You are saying proof. Like I said you do not know the complete picture so you can not 100% say he has not been professional .
There are reasons why people put on weight when they are not training at 100% or playing week in and week out. It is not that black and white.
You can take the contract conspiracy theory view all you want but I will challenge it and ask if you actually have any facts .
It is a forum. I can challenge your view and say you do not have total proof which you do not. You have an observation. That is it.
 

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Official injury update version with some more details. May or may not play before the bye.
As reported on Tuesday, Jake Stringer was another casualty to emerge out of the Bombers’ defeat to the Bulldogs.

Murphy said the star forward’s hamstring injury was not related to the previous one he suffered in round three.

“Stringer presented today (Tuesday) with hamstring tightness on the other side to the previous hamstring injury he came back from a couple of weeks ago,” he said.

“Unfortunately an MRI has shown a low-grade strain there, so we’re going to have to work through that. We’ve got the bye coming up (round 12), and whether we see him before that, we’ll work that out over the next couple of days.”
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Beerfish said:
Can everyone please just take a chill pill.
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ant555 said:
Okay everyone stop posting uninformed opinions . Oh wait there would be nothing posted.
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Uninformed opinions are what BF was founded on. It's the increasing agro that leads to people getting personal we can do without.
 
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