Player Watch #29: Will Phillips - tags N.Daicos vs Collingwood - subbed off at 3/4 time??

[R00StaR]

good thought, lots of things we have to consider going forward, we have a lot of improving to do before the nest time we meet them where they will generally be closer to full strength, says a lot about their depth doesn't it , our list is about 6 players away from that depth, possibly 7 now sausage went down.

Next time we play them we'll be fitter again, plus can add in Simpkin, McKercher, Duursma, Logue, Goater and JOS. With Will Dawson, Hardeman, Bergman and Harvey either grabbing spots or breaking the door down.

 

[R00StaR]

What makes you think we're tiring out because we're not fit enough, vs tiring because we're working inefficiently. Wouldn't it be more likely that as a young team learning the game plan and making mistakes, we're probably wasting a lot of energy on ineffective efforts?

Very good point, its probably a combo of both tbh.

 

[Engimal v3]

I often think back to the Ziebell v Sidebottom decision and it being a bit of sliding doors moment. Both great players but the longevity and utility of Sidebottom cannot be denied. He is admitted favourite non-north player.

Come on - I love Ziebell, but it's not a close comparison at all.

 

[Twangler]

So you think he has the craft and tank to tag a player out effectively over four quarters? The bloke he was tagging probably ended up BOG. You can't argue with facts, he couldn't finish the job. You don't tag for a half.

It was three quarters… Daicos hardest person for Will to tag due to Daicos mix of speed and endurance, and even so still did a commendable job. I hope he gets a chance to show what he can do against Viney or Oliver. He also doesn’t play the traditional nullification tag and as evidenced in Q3 shows that he can rack up touches and provide scorecard impact

 

[Junk yard]

It was three quarters… Daicos hardest person for Will to tag due to Daicos mix of speed and endurance, and even so still did a commendable job. I hope he gets a chance to show what he can do against Viney or Oliver. He also doesn’t play the traditional nullification tag and as evidenced in Q3 shows that he can rack up touches and provide scorecard impact

Daicos spent the majority of the third forward? And will didn't follow him.

 

[chubbspeterson]

The fitness level of most of our players is nowhere near good enough.

Do we keep drafting players who can’t run (or kick for that matter) or are our training standards that inadequate?

This just has to be fixed. I can’t believe it is still an issue after spending 5 years down the bottom of the ladder. And it being obvious that we have never been fit enough.

It's a bit of both for me. It takes years to build that fitness and also work that hard during AFL games.
I suspect they didn't work hard enough if they've just had one of the biggest preseasons they've ever had.
The senior players have to be the one's fit enough to cover the few draftees who can't run out full games..

I also think we haven't drafted great speed and/or endurance runners pre Sheezel draft. That's why we recruited guys like Stephens and Fisher to cover that area short term. But there's a bit of luck needed as well on draft night. Like we could've had Darcy Wilson next pick who is a great runner. Sometimes things don't line up.

 

[King Corey]

Come on - I love Ziebell, but it's not a close comparison at all.

Iirc phantoms were split between Ziebell and Sidebottom for us. So Sidebottom was projected for our pick a bit.

Have this memory of one draft preview-Inside Footy? - almost exactly predicting Ziebell's career, right down to not quite having the poise for a mid.

Lewis commented being blown away by Ziebell's leadership when he got to know him during one of the tours.

 

[DuckYeah]

So you think he has the craft and tank to tag a player out effectively over four quarters? The bloke he was tagging probably ended up BOG. You can't argue with facts, he couldn't finish the job. You don't tag for a half.

Daicos was NOT best on ground. He was shut down and did nothing for 3 quarters. “TwO gOaLs” from a 50 and dubious free kick from gamesmanship. 12 throws over his shoulder. Best on, have a spell mate

 

[Twangler]

Daicos spent the majority of the third forward? And will didn't follow him.

Ah I see - that explains it!

 

[Junk yard]

Daicos was NOT best on ground. He was shut down and did nothing for 3 quarters. “TwO gOaLs” from a 50 and dubious free kick from gamesmanship. 12 throws over his shoulder. Best on, have a spell mate

Forget about BOG then. Answer the question?

 

[DuckYeah]

Forget about BOG then. Answer the question?

Not Daicos obviously. You didn’t answer mine earlier, who can in the comp?

 

[muttley45]

Random question, has anyone successfully tagged Daicos for a full game this year ?

 

[big_e]

Iirc phantoms were split between Ziebell and Sidebottom for us. So Sidebottom was projected for our pick a bit.

Have this memory of one draft preview-Inside Footy? - almost exactly predicting Ziebell's career, right down to not quite having the poise for a mid.

Lewis commented being blown away by Ziebell's leadership when he got to know him during one of the tours.

How's this one? Nailed it, IMO, right down to being a club captain.

Jack Ziebell (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country) - Draft Profile​

Height: 188.4cm
Weight: 86.3kg
Preferred foot: Right/Dual Sided
Playing Style: Inside midfielder/marking 3rd tall/flanker or pocket (either end)
Potential: 8-8.5/10

Strengths

Very strong bodied and well balanced – bash and crash, tackle breaking style in congestion - AFL ready in his first season
Elite tap reading ability at stoppages – consistently gets 1st hands to it
Strong aerial ability and presence – safe hands – very good at grabbing high balls and trademark of his is taking the grab backing into a pack – however is at a reach disadvantage for his height
Hard hitting tackler
Courageous
Powerful kick – genuinely dual sided, low trajectory (occasionally sizzling) and excellent penetration (can get 60m – on either side).
Strong leadership skills and on-field physical presence

Weaknesses

Top end pace and endurance are both poor – but seems to have a decent burst of pace to get out of traffic on occasions – also one of the few (only player?) to get the better of a Stephen Hill tag in the championships and has proven to be an excellent player at Subi (is he being judged to harshly?)
Straight line player – lacks agility/evasiveness (although tested reasonably for it
Doesn’t display vision at stoppages to dispose by hand – tries to bash and crash his way through the pack and then slams it on the boot long to clear it

Other

Kicking reliability is somewhat overrated - still good and above average kick overall, but not elite - he does play a very contested brand of footy, however which is bound to make efficiency stats less favourable
Could be susceptible to injury in the future given his playing style
Effective going 3rd man up at ruck contests

Overall

Ziebell is another safe type – 100% footballer. While he’s been compared a lot to Luke Hodge and he does have some similar attributes, he’s not quite in the same class IMO – a very dependable type that can play a variety of roles, but may not quite have the all-round genuine star qualities to reach elite status. Likely to captain his club down the track. I think a mid first round pick would fair value.

 

[DuckYeah]

Random question, has anyone successfully tagged Daicos for a full game this year ?

Probably not. He is a steve moneghetti type runner. Probably as hard as him too. But thats footy these days. Moneghetti that can kick a footy. I haven’t actually seen flakeoss actually handball a footy correctly yet

 

[The Talent Scout]

He’ll have the players running through brick walls for him in the not too distant future.

Glad someone else noticed this, this wasn't a slip of the tongue, Alastair is smart as he is crafty, and your right, he'll have them eating out of his hands, if he's not already.

 

[shintemaster]

How's this one? Nailed it, IMO, right down to being a club captain.

Jack Ziebell (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country) - Draft Profile​

Height: 188.4cm
Weight: 86.3kg
Preferred foot: Right/Dual Sided
Playing Style: Inside midfielder/marking 3rd tall/flanker or pocket (either end)
Potential: 8-8.5/10

Strengths



Weaknesses



Other



Overall

Ziebell is another safe type – 100% footballer. While he’s been compared a lot to Luke Hodge and he does have some similar attributes, he’s not quite in the same class IMO – a very dependable type that can play a variety of roles, but may not quite have the all-round genuine star qualities to reach elite status. Likely to captain his club down the track. I think a mid first round pick would fair value.

If you wrote that today it couldn't be closer to his career. Great write up.

 

[Junk yard]

Not Daicos obviously. You didn’t answer mine earlier, who can in the comp?

No idea, its not that fashionable anymore really. B.J and Crowley would do it and follow him forward or back for the full four.

 

[Junk yard]

Random question, has anyone successfully tagged Daicos for a full game this year ?

Not sure anyone's really tried?

 

[northbergs]

The real positive here is how well WiPhi played.

Agree, and not just for his tagging. His clean ball handling below his knees, decision making and disposal (most of the time) is better than many.


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[ferball]

Wasn't blaming him for anything? He doesn't have the required fitness or craft outside of the centre to be a tagger, he should be honing those skills in the VFL. His first half was really good but he couldn't finish the job. He was lost when Daicos went forward, if he came off Daicos would've gone straight in the middle, So clarko left him there but it cooked him. Perfectly played by Fly and Daicos. Until he can follow the player he's nullifying the way Crowley and B.J would he'll be exploited. He showed some promise but he also showed he's not ready yet, don't be surprised if he's in the two's this week working on these things.

Sneaky cheap shot there.

 

[northbergs]

One option - due to Daicos' running power - might have been to rotate WP and Scott through that tagging role rather than going WP full time and then LS because WP didn't have much left.

Bailey has done a similar defensive role on Brad Hill in the past - and nailed it. Only one on our list with the running power to go with a Daicos for long enough.

Understand it might take away from how Scott links the play up off the wing, but sometime you need to give a little to get a little (or potentially a lot).

Just a thought.

Good thought. His old man played that exact role and made up for his kicking deficiencies as well.


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[Junk yard]

Sneaky cheap shot there.

How so. Are either statements untrue?

 

[big_e]

Wasn't blaming him for anything? He doesn't have the required fitness or craft outside of the centre to be a tagger, he should be honing those skills in the VFL. His first half was really good but he couldn't finish the job. He was lost when Daicos went forward, if he came off Daicos would've gone straight in the middle, So clarko left him there but it cooked him. Perfectly played by Fly and Daicos. Until he can follow the player he's nullifying the way Crowley and B.J would he'll be exploited. He showed some promise but he also showed he's not ready yet, don't be surprised if he's in the two's this week working on these things.

If he's not in the twos, will you delete your account?

Actually, can you do us all a favour and do it anyway?

 

[ferball]

How so. Are either statements untrue?

He obviously has the craft (and obviously not the fitness) or he wouldn't have kept Daicos quiet when he did.

If you'd just pointed out his lack of fitness no one could argue with you.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

It was three quarters… Daicos hardest person for Will to tag due to Daicos mix of speed and endurance, and even so still did a commendable job. I hope he gets a chance to show what he can do against Viney or Oliver. He also doesn’t play the traditional nullification tag and as evidenced in Q3 shows that he can rack up touches and provide scorecard impact

In all Daicos’ games, how many times has he been tagged?

How many times did the tag work?

Did the tag last the whole game?

Just curious…