Player Watch #29: Will Phillips - tags N.Daicos vs Collingwood - subbed off at 3/4 time??

[Karanicolas]

Yes, Macrae coached very well after half time - managing the Daicos tag, McReery to LDU and Tinarse to the middle.

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'd like to see him go with Viney this week. Viney has been their barometer this year more-so than Oliver.

 

[Recently retired]

So the lowdown is … Will had a corkie, cramped, had no bench time due to the way the rotations worked and the handover with Tucker was getting loose. He was gassed with no breaks. That’s why. Didn’t have the tank to go with him and didn’t get the break from the midfield that Daicos got when he went forward in the third.

This was the coaching error (not the sub which was justified), running Will ragged with huge gametime in the third quarter if they weren't going to send him with Daicos when he was moved out of the middle.

Knowing that Will is still building his tank, I'm sure the change Clarko and Co would make in hindsight is giving Will more rest in the third so he was freshened up when he went back to Daicos.

 

[roos_tt29]

This was the coaching error (not the sub which was justified), running Will ragged with huge gametime in the third quarter if they weren't going to send him with Daicos when he was moved out of the middle.

Knowing that Will is still building his tank, I'm sure the change Clarko and Co would make in hindsight is giving Will more rest in the third so he was freshened up when he went back to Daicos.

One option - due to Daicos' running power - might have been to rotate WP and Scott through that tagging role rather than going WP full time and then LS because WP didn't have much left.

Bailey has done a similar defensive role on Brad Hill in the past - and nailed it. Only one on our list with the running power to go with a Daicos for long enough.

Understand it might take away from how Scott links the play up off the wing, but sometime you need to give a little to get a little (or potentially a lot).

Just a thought.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

I often think back to the Ziebell v Sidebottom decision and it being a bit of sliding doors moment. Both great players but the longevity and utility of Sidebottom cannot be denied. He is admitted favourite non-north player.

 

[DuckYeah]

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

Yeh one that doesn’t need to get a fist to the ball for a handball either.

 

[koshari]

One option - due to Daicos' running power - might have been to rotate WP and Scott through that tagging role rather than going WP full time and then LS because WP didn't have much left.

Bailey has done a similar defensive role on Brad Hill in the past - and nailed it. Only one on our list with the running power to go with a Daicos for long enough.

Understand it might take away from how Scott links the play up off the wing, but sometime you need to give a little to get a little (or potentially a lot).

Just a thought.

good thought, lots of things we have to consider going forward, we have a lot of improving to do before the nest time we meet them where they will generally be closer to full strength, says a lot about their depth doesn't it , our list is about 6 players away from that depth, possibly 7 now sausage went down.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Yeh one that doesn’t need to get a fist to the ball for a handball either.

Funnily enough, with sh*t that Collingwood were getting away with, this one was hardly a blip in the scheme of things.

 

[Del191229]

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

Yep, that lack of battle hardened senior player

 

[Liam Boy]

Yep, that lack of battle hardened senior player

I was just thinking, imagine how well we'd be travelling if Cunners had never gotten cancer. It's an extremely under-discussed aspect of our collapse over the past couple of years.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

Could have said the same when we played them at the end of Noble’s time. He can still step up and be huge.

 

[Devington]

How good is Sidebottom ... if we had had a Sidebottom in the last quarter, we would have won that game.

Personally thought Sidebottom was more influential than Daicos in the 4th. He was just monstering us in the middle while some of our lads were fatiguing.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I often think back to the Ziebell v Sidebottom decision and it being a bit of sliding doors moment. Both great players but the longevity and utility of Sidebottom cannot be denied. He is admitted favourite non-north player.

That wasn't ever a decision really. Up until the TAC Cup Grand Final when Sidebottom kicked 10 (IIRC), he was barely considered a first rounder. His grand final certainly pushed him further up the order on the phantom drafts but when Ziebell slid to our pick, we couldn't call his name out fast enough.

 

[Jebus]

This just has to be fixed. I can’t believe it is still an issue after spending 5 years down the bottom of the ladder. And it being obvious that we have never been fit enough.

What makes you think we're tiring out because we're not fit enough, vs tiring because we're working inefficiently. Wouldn't it be more likely that as a young team learning the game plan and making mistakes, we're probably wasting a lot of energy on ineffective efforts?

 

[Devington]

The fitness level of most of our players is nowhere near good enough.

Do we keep drafting players who can’t run (or kick for that matter) or are our training standards that inadequate?

This just has to be fixed. I can’t believe it is still an issue after spending 5 years down the bottom of the ladder. And it being obvious that we have never been fit enough.

To be fair, in this instance the player in question got his health and fitness brutalized by glandular fever. I've mentioned a couple of times I'm concerned that he might never be able to get to what his peak fitness might have otherwise been. 90% gametime for 3 of 4 quarters matched up with one of the leagues best runners is pretty decent for him though I would have thought? Objectively not great, but considering the circumstances I just kinda shrug and say good on him for doing so well for so long in the game and I hope the offseason lets him build that tank further.

As to the squad as a whole, idk. Ability to run out games is definitely one issue, but at the same time in the last 2 weeks we were able to stay competitive enough to retake the lead towards the end of both games. IIRC our pressure for the first 3 quarters this weekend was above-average/elite, and for the last quarter it was below average and pretty damned close to what our TOTAL average has been for the year. Running power is just as much mentality and smarts as it is actual ability, and I reckon the mentality has improved by leaps and bounds the last 2 weeks.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I'd like to see him go with Viney this week. Viney has been their barometer this year more-so than Oliver.

Perfect match up for him.

 

[Junk yard]

Perfect match up for him.

Couldn't run out the game, if tagging is what they want him to do then what's wrong with learning his new role in the VFL? He should be sticking the tag wherever the player goes to shake it. Right now he can only tag on ball and can't do it for the whole game. Doesn't rest anywhere but the pine, I suspect clarko was teaching him a lesson In what's required against Daicos and considering he was subbed with a quarter of the game to go its clear as day that he's not ready. I'd rather watch him run himself in to the ground and build his tank in the VFL then burn our rotations and make a forced sub. Would've looked terrible if someone went down late in the third and Will was unable to contribute in the last.

 

[DuckYeah]

Couldn't run out the game, if tagging is what they want him to do then what's wrong with learning his new role in the VFL? He should be sticking the tag wherever the player goes to shake it. Right now he can only tag on ball and can't do it for the whole game. Doesn't rest anywhere but the pine, I suspect clarko was teaching him a lesson In what's required against Daicos and considering he was subbed with a quarter of the game to go its clear as day that he's not ready. I'd rather watch him run himself in to the ground and build his tank in the VFL then burn our rotations and make a forced sub. Would've looked terrible if someone went down late in the third and Will was unable to contribute in the last.

flakeoss is arguably the best runner in the game. You’re talking shit. How many players can run with Flakeoss all day?

Phillips cant run. He wore Flakeoss like a glove for 3 quarters. That cant run shit is flat out bullshit too.

Our team is not fit compared to the top end of the comp. No doubt. It’ll get better.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Couldn't run out the game, if tagging is what they want him to do then what's wrong with learning his new role in the VFL? He should be sticking the tag wherever the player goes to shake it. Right now he can only tag on ball and can't do it for the whole game. Doesn't rest anywhere but the pine, I suspect clarko was teaching him a lesson In what's required against Daicos and considering he was subbed with a quarter of the game to go its clear as day that he's not ready. I'd rather watch him run himself in to the ground and build his tank in the VFL then burn our rotations and make a forced sub. Would've looked terrible if someone went down late in the third and Will was unable to contribute in the last.

Mate, you are heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on one player who has not had the armchair ride that some of his peers have received.

 

[Event Horizon]

I was just thinking, imagine how well we'd be travelling if Cunners had never gotten cancer. It's an extremely under-discussed aspect of our collapse over the past couple of years.

Yes, Cunners was the major reason why Noble was able to win any matches at all

 

[Junk yard]

Mate, you are heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on one player who has not had the armchair ride that some of his peers have received.

Wasn't blaming him for anything? He doesn't have the required fitness or craft outside of the centre to be a tagger, he should be honing those skills in the VFL. His first half was really good but he couldn't finish the job. He was lost when Daicos went forward, if he came off Daicos would've gone straight in the middle, So clarko left him there but it cooked him. Perfectly played by Fly and Daicos. Until he can follow the player he's nullifying the way Crowley and B.J would he'll be exploited. He showed some promise but he also showed he's not ready yet, don't be surprised if he's in the two's this week working on these things.

 

[DuckYeah]

Junkflog is getting desperate. Phillips was in our best 6.

 

[Junk yard]

Junkflog is getting desperate. Phillips was in our best 6.

In the first half.

 

[Junk yard]

Junkflog is getting desperate. Phillips was in our best 6.

So you think he has the craft and tank to tag a player out effectively over four quarters? The bloke he was tagging probably ended up BOG. You can't argue with facts, he couldn't finish the job. You don't tag for a half.

 

[blackshadow]

And the “we were fatiguing” also took personal heat away from Will.

He’ll have the players running through brick walls for him in the not too distant future.