Traded #3: Scott Gumbleton - Traded to Fremantle for pick 55

[Johnnyprinias]

Re: 3. Scott Gumbleton

True windy hill, thats the only thing we can right now

 

[Bombs Away]

Off field antics. Wouldn't be a problem if he came to Essendon. He's grown up a bit in the last 12 months and realises and admits he was not focused entirely on his football.

He's in the top 10 most valuable AFL players imo and I would give the world to get him in an essendon jumper.

Normally feel you speak a lot of sense but might be in the clouds here Nobby.

The only growing up he has done is from punching blokes in the nuts to head butting. He would be impossible to handle at essendon and would wreck our next batch of kids,

Jetta,hislop,lovett have all grown up since indiscretions and this would put them all backwards.

Yes he is a good footballer but not worth the chase, cousins will be free at seasons end if we want to help rehabilitate someone he is my pick.

 

[whirl]

Put him up against 90% of the CHF's in the league and he will exposed for a lack of lateral movement and pace off the mark. Gumby playing defence would be like Kozi playing key defence these days - ball movement is way too quick for them.

At DC he recorded ~ 3.15+ 20m - very much on the low end for power forwards and way down for key defenders, he can expose smaller backmen on the lead because he run and jumps at the ball and takes it at it's highest point routinely (similar style to Sticks) and because of his big frame and work rate.

A bigger, slower, less athletic version of Riewoldt.

He is a pure CHF or possibly backup ruck - definitely not a defender

I thought his 20m was closer to 3.1, which is what Patrick Ryder tested as and slightly quicker than what Lance Franklin tested. I'm not saying that he is as quick as either of those but I think he moves pretty well on the field and would be okay with 90% athletically rather than the reverse. According to draft camp data, Ryder is not particuarly quick and doesn't have that great a leap.

 

[The Dustbin]

I'd give Wet Toast Gumbleton,our first rd pick..and Danny Chartres for Kerr.

But they wouldn't accept that of course..

I hope for your sake your taking the mickey.

 

[Tippaz]

come to think of it,

Daniel Kerr would look good in an Essendon jumper

 

[Burzum]

A lot of people would look good in an Essendon jumper.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

A lot of people would look good in an Essendon jumper.

Hell, Cameron Ling would look good in an Essendon jumper right now...

 

[RangaInTeal]

Well they none of the clubs have much to give us unless they want to give up a club champion or an upcoming gun. High draft picks are overrated and I don't think we should mess around with them if we had to trade him.

He will stay.

I would Take Pick One or Two and Daniel Kerr for Scott Gumbelton!

 

[marcuz]

Put him up against 90% of the CHF's in the league and he will exposed for a lack of lateral movement and pace off the mark. Gumby playing defence would be like Kozi playing key defence these days - ball movement is way too quick for them.

At DC he recorded ~ 3.15+ 20m - very much on the low end for power forwards and way down for key defenders, he can expose smaller backmen on the lead because he run and jumps at the ball and takes it at it's highest point routinely (similar style to Sticks) and because of his big frame and work rate.

A bigger, slower, less athletic version of Riewoldt.

He is a pure CHF or possibly backup ruck - definitely not a defender

Gotta love those DC results.

Laycock ran a shocking 20m in his year and now runs sub 3 seconds. Gumby's football speed is very good, you only need to see the game against adelaide last year to know he can motor away from good kp backman.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They would say a definite no, they have huge wraps on Brown and would know that the top end of this year's draft looks very very promising, some of the top talents on show are absolutely freakish...

Same with us and Gumbleton, which is why we won't be trading him

 

[ant555]

Put him up against 90% of the CHF's in the league and he will exposed for a lack of lateral movement and pace off the mark. Gumby playing defence would be like Kozi playing key defence these days - ball movement is way too quick for them.

At DC he recorded ~ 3.15+ 20m - very much on the low end for power forwards and way down for key defenders, he can expose smaller backmen on the lead because he run and jumps at the ball and takes it at it's highest point routinely (similar style to Sticks) and because of his big frame and work rate.

A bigger, slower, less athletic version of Riewoldt.

He is a pure CHF or possibly backup ruck - definitely not a defender

So at your saying is he wont have improved his 20 meter sprint times since coming into the AFL system.
I will give you a tip , he did
As for him definitely not being a defender, so when he played defence on Hanson in the champs he was well beaten was he ?
You better get a job in recruiting becasue after 5 AFL games you can say he definitley can't play defence.

 

[CORZA]

kerr would look good in the bombers jumper but giving gumby up wouldnt be a good idea

 

[eagledream]

Lets look at this in a not biased perspective.. People here are talking about sending Kerr to Gumbleton.. If Gumbleton wanted to leave and go West, how could the bombers possibly have any bargaining power, same as when Judd wanted to leave last year. How can anybody possibly put the worth of Kerr and Gumbleton on the same stratosphere? Kerr is a dual runner up in the brownlow, club champion and one of the best players in the league. Gumbleton, potential aknowledged, is an untried, injury prone centre half forward. You CANNOT market a player on potential. How many players are picked in the top 10 and do nothing?? Andy McDougall? There's heaps. Who's to say that Gumby wont continue to get injured the next few seasons that prematurely ends his career? Kerr is upto the rigours of AFL, Gumby's body is questionable at best at this stage. IF Gumby wanted to leave you'd be screwed, as we were last year. In closing, Kerr and Gumby aren't in the same league.

P.S - all the talk of Courtney Johns being involved as part of a trade is hillarious!! Cheers.

 

[Sigmund]

Lets look at this in a not biased perspective.. People here are talking about sending Kerr to Gumbleton.. If Gumbleton wanted to leave and go West, how could the bombers possibly have any bargaining power, same as when Judd wanted to leave last year. How can anybody possibly put the worth of Kerr and Gumbleton on the same stratosphere? Kerr is a dual runner up in the brownlow, club champion and one of the best players in the league. Gumbleton, potential aknowledged, is an untried, injury prone centre half forward. You CANNOT market a player on potential. How many players are picked in the top 10 and do nothing?? Andy McDougall? There's heaps. Who's to say that Gumby wont continue to get injured the next few seasons that prematurely ends his career? Kerr is upto the rigours of AFL, Gumby's body is questionable at best at this stage. IF Gumby wanted to leave you'd be screwed, as we were last year. In closing, Kerr and Gumby aren't in the same league.

P.S - all the talk of Courtney Johns being involved as part of a trade is hillarious!! Cheers.

I think that this is a reasonable and well thought out post Dream... I also agree with you on Johns... Eagles would not be interested in him.. think that you will find that not many bombers supporters would delude themselves into thinking John's was a tradeable footballer

 

[Jono B]

Lets look at this in a not biased perspective.. People here are talking about sending Kerr to Gumbleton.. If Gumbleton wanted to leave and go West, how could the bombers possibly have any bargaining power, same as when Judd wanted to leave last year. How can anybody possibly put the worth of Kerr and Gumbleton on the same stratosphere? Kerr is a dual runner up in the brownlow, club champion and one of the best players in the league. Gumbleton, potential aknowledged, is an untried, injury prone centre half forward. You CANNOT market a player on potential. How many players are picked in the top 10 and do nothing?? Andy McDougall? There's heaps. Who's to say that Gumby wont continue to get injured the next few seasons that prematurely ends his career? Kerr is upto the rigours of AFL, Gumby's body is questionable at best at this stage. IF Gumby wanted to leave you'd be screwed, as we were last year. In closing, Kerr and Gumby aren't in the same league.

P.S - all the talk of Courtney Johns being involved as part of a trade is hillarious!! Cheers.

Sure you can. If you couldn't, a draft pick would be worth very little. There is a fair chance that Gumby could become a gun 12 year CHF and there is a chance Kerr could go A-Wall.

 

[whirl]

Anyone who mentioned johns was likely joking, eagledream.

 

[eagledream]

Sampi was a number 5 draft pick, West Coast couldn't find anyone that wanted him at the end of last year. Kid coulda been a superstar. He had HUGE potential. Now he's running around in the country somewhere.. Would that debunk your argument about being able to market potential? Not here to stir shit but some of these trade possibilities are a bit far fetched. Also, your quote about there being a "fair" chance that Gumby can become a 12 year gun whilst Kerr could go AWOL is ridiculous. Look at the facts, Kerr is one of the best players in the league. Gumby is seriously talented but has thus far shown absolutely nothing to suggest he's going to be a 12 year gun. If i were a bombers supporter i'd focus on him being able to play 1 single game ratehr than 12 full years. Cheers.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

dream - Sampi had shown that his head was all over the place. Gumby has shown that he has been injured. Big difference. I'm not saying that you're wrong, more that the comparisons are different. If you were to put odds on each player becoming worth a trade, Gumbleton's would be much higher than Sampi's. I think that it's too early to write Gumbleton off as unworthy of pick 2 etc., whereas Sampi had been in the system for a long time.

Gumbleton would still command a massive trade value, as his potential is so much higher, and so much more likely to be realised than Sampi's was.

EDIT: I get the sense as well that this article was placed by someone with West Coast/Freo interests, in much the same way as the Spanish media operates for Real Madrid and Barca (unsettle the player, create speculation, and pray it works). I'm pretty sure the Herald Sun was just picking up on the WA article that was mentioned earlier in the thread.

 

[eagledream]

Fair point Gooner, Sampi was all over the place but before he was picked up he had HUGE potential. I'm guessing what i'm trying to say is that we cannot predict the future, Kerr has already shown that he is a superstar of the competition. It remains to be seen whether or not Gumby reaches the same stature in the game. Cheers.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Gumbleton for Kerr is not going to happen. Too many things which aren't going to happen need to happen for that to happen.

I think.

However, Gumbleton would still command probably your first round pick (2 or 3 likely) and a little more, as he (hopefully) will start to be a proven quantity when he starts to play again (in June according to this). He will also be two years bigger, two years stronger and two years more experienced than the draftee.

However I can't see Gumbleton leaving nor Kerr coming to Essendon.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Guys the trade just will not happen, and to be honest I wouldn't want Kerr. I'd want a YOUNG KPP, not Kerr! And that player would be Mitch Brown, and WCE like us would be hesitant to say the least with trading Brown and fair enough. And it would involve a draft pick as well as Brown, as Brown was taken lower in the draft, and like Gumbleton just reeks of potential. Not sure on the draft pick, maybe the likely Priority Pick (18 or 19) would be fair.

 

[Jono B]

Fair point Gooner, Sampi was all over the place but before he was picked up he had HUGE potential. I'm guessing what i'm trying to say is that we cannot predict the future, Kerr has already shown that he is a superstar of the competition. It remains to be seen whether or not Gumby reaches the same stature in the game. Cheers.

But at trade time and draft time the future has to be predicted. The thing that really does count against Kerr is his questionable record off field. If things go wrong the club would not just lose the player but it will have an affect on the rest of the playing list. I am not saying they are of the same value but it would not be as black and white as you say.

On the issue of the price of an injured player have a look at Selwood in 2006. He was considered a top 3 pick but he dropped to 7 due to injury concerns. Gumbleton would still be worth a lot.

 

[Moo]

Lets look at this in a not biased perspective.. People here are talking about sending Kerr to Gumbleton.. If Gumbleton wanted to leave and go West, how could the bombers possibly have any bargaining power, same as when Judd wanted to leave last year. How can anybody possibly put the worth of Kerr and Gumbleton on the same stratosphere? Kerr is a dual runner up in the brownlow, club champion and one of the best players in the league. Gumbleton, potential aknowledged, is an untried, injury prone centre half forward. You CANNOT market a player on potential. How many players are picked in the top 10 and do nothing?? Andy McDougall? There's heaps. Who's to say that Gumby wont continue to get injured the next few seasons that prematurely ends his career? Kerr is upto the rigours of AFL, Gumby's body is questionable at best at this stage. IF Gumby wanted to leave you'd be screwed, as we were last year. In closing, Kerr and Gumby aren't in the same league.

P.S - all the talk of Courtney Johns being involved as part of a trade is hillarious!! Cheers.

Thence is Judd said he wanted to go to Carlton and Carlton had the first pick in the PSD.

If Gumby wanted to come home to the land of milk, sunshine and honey - Melb could derail that dream if he simply walked (assuming WC don't finish last) so it is already a different scenario.

Also if he simply says wanna go home and not to WC ...you can not put in a low ball offer as even though I don't think Freo would play. If you said 2nd round pick take it or leave it ....Freo may be tempted to throw Warnock in or at least listen to the Bombers (don't forget they ahve a lot of contacts at Freo).

Also are you serious mate comparing Gumby and Sampi ....Gumby at WAFL very impressive and has not just dropped out because of an attitude issue .....whilst I think a price in the top 5 would be too high in the current market - I think most clubs would consider a top 7-10 pick in a heartbeat. Gumby has currency.

On a side note for any who are interested- I am guessing Kepler will make his Freo debut very soon ...I know local performances and failing on the big stage were commonplace at Bomberland but in 6 local games he is averaging -
19 possession 8 marks and 1.7 goals per game and has been very good.

Kerr - would be a funny trade for the Bombers? Is that where your list is at? For WIW - I think the Eages would jump on Kerr for Gumby ..tood issue and with the age of the Eagles squad - but Kerr is 26 next season and it would not appear a good deal for the Don's.

 

[dapto]

Nicely said Moo but disagree on the trade side of things. Also thanks for the note re keplar. I hope none are to cheap here not to wish the bloke well.

But whilst we rabbit on with the fiction, I would take the Kerr/gumbleton trade in a heartbeat. No reflection on gumbleton, and yes to a previous poster.... you can and invariably do trade on potential, but Kerr is exactly what we need at bomberland. Proven and if he can offer five years at that level i would take it despite what Gumby may do to hurt this view.

And to all the Neo-nazis out their pontificating on culture, character and influence, you need to seriously chill. What you do not know permits you to gaggle so. And Essendon is no redemption house either. But people can do and will make mistakes. Why do so many people think 22 year olds should all be social exemplars.

Nuts

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Lets look at this in a not biased perspective.. People here are talking about sending Kerr to Gumbleton.. If Gumbleton wanted to leave and go West, how could the bombers possibly have any bargaining power, same as when Judd wanted to leave last year.

so in this hypothesis, why is Kerr leaving WC? Why do you have a shred more bargaining power than us? Presumably Kerr is leaving because he wants to as well, given he's not out of contract, so he has to agree to the trade