Player Watch #34: Jack Graham - MOVED TO WCE - PICK 42 Received

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I notice when either Tranto or Bolton rest then we get reamed in there. We have massive issues in there as well as our tall forward stocks. Not winning anything if we're deficient in these areas.
Actually thought Short played pretty well in there when he goes in, adds some zip around the ball and it doesn't matter which foot he is on he disposes well. Much tougher than he used to be also.

But agree, we are very short on mids, having said that Taranto, Hopper and Bolton are all mediums age so plenty years left. Only need another one or two to come on. Must be no.1 concern in our draft next year.
 
DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW IF THIS LIST CLOGGER IS EXTENDED FOR NEXT YEAR FROM SOME TRIGGER CLAUSE THE MEDIA REPEATEDLY SAID HE HAD TO BASICALLY PLAY ONE GAME AND TIE HIS SHOELACES TO ACTIVATE? YET THE CLUB AND MEDIA HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING THIS YEAR? We could've cashed him in couple years ago for a 1st rounder. Doubtful we get pick 60 for him now. But dropping his overinflated $600k contract would be nice. Top tier salary= minimal return on investment. Sad thing is Bolton's on similar coin.
 

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Worked for Dan Rioli
Doesn’t have the mobility or skills of Dan. He’s a tradesman plumber with the beer gut type. Can only play as a tagger otherwise he’s a liability. He maybe even too slow for that bc you need to be tactically focused in that role. Dan Jackson was the master in that area.
 
Doesn’t have the mobility or skills of Dan. He’s a tradesman plumber with the beer gut type. Can only play as a tagger otherwise he’s a liability. He maybe even too slow for that bc you need to be tactically focused in that role. Dan Jackson was the master in that area.

I personally think when you have the ability to gut run like he does and has the work rate that he does, that there is a more expansive role at AFL level.

That said, I won’t disagree that it’s - a limited role, especially now with the importance of back half scores and adding a couple of big body midfielders.

I wonder if there may be a wingman in there somewhere? Although I’d love to see Banks/ Ross/ Ralphsmith run through there more than I would Graham.
 
I personally think when you have the ability to gut run like he does and has the work rate that he does, that there is a more expansive role at AFL level.

That said, I won’t disagree that it’s - a limited role, especially now with the importance of back half scores and adding a couple of big body midfielders.

I wonder if there may be a wingman in there somewhere? Although I’d love to see Banks/ Ross/ Ralphsmith run through there more than I would Graham.
I see your point, but he’s become one dimensional and predictable RJ. Playing him wing would be a nightmare as he’s even slower than Kmac and can’t jump . With Hopper out this was his time to shine in the midfield, but the coaches see him as a forward. This will then make him redundant in this position soon bc Coulthard MRJ Green and others are coming along in leaps and bounds. I can only see him as a tagger otherwise he could find himself playing a lot of vfl games.
 
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I see your point, but he’s become one dimensional and predictable RJ. Playing him wing would be a nightmare as he’s even slower than Kmac and can’t jump . With Hopper out this was his time to shine in the midfield, but the coaches see him as a forward. This will then make him redundant in this position soon bc Coulthard MRJ Green and others are coming along in leaps and bounds. I can only see him as a tagger otherwise he could find himself playing a lot of vfl games.

I would argue that for a role player (which I don’t think anyone would argue Graham is anything better than) that one dimensional and predictable isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Yet to be fair, fair points that you have made TI.

After his 2017 GF heroics and sacrificing himself to help make another GF in 2019, I’ve more than soft spot for Jack Graham. I’ll keep backing him in, even when it seems illogical (which is probably one more bad game away from being so).

I think realistically with the selections of small and medium forwards we now have (Campbell, Coulthard, MRJ, Cumberland, Pickett, Green) that he is at real danger of finding his way out of the side if he doesn’t find a way to turn it around. Yet that may not be a bad thing, if those players can find a way to play as good as Graham and compete for his spot as they continue to develop, so much the better for those players and our team. Essentially setting the bar that those players need to hurdle over.
 
I would argue that for a role player (which I don’t think anyone would argue Graham is anything better than) that one dimensional and predictable isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Yet to be fair, fair points that you have made TI.

After his 2017 GF heroics and sacrificing himself to help make another GF in 2019, I’ve more than soft spot for Jack Graham. I’ll keep backing him in, even when it seems illogical (which is probably one more bad game away from being so).

I think realistically with the selections of small and medium forwards we now have (Campbell, Coulthard, MRJ, Cumberland, Pickett, Green) that he is at real danger of finding his way out of the side if he doesn’t find a way to turn it around. Yet that may not be a bad thing, if those players can find a way to play as good as Graham and compete for his spot as they continue to develop, so much the better for those players and our team. Essentially setting the bar that those players need to hurdle over.
Yes I’m the same as he’s a hero of mine too and I’ve backed him up a fair bit in here. Unfortunately he hasn’t progressed as I thought he would and his biggest nemesis is that with our ageing list the team has become slower and can’t accommodate him. He was great when we were flying as he would just rotate as a fifth midfielder or go to the HFF and we had speed all over the park. He was then an asset to the team bc he offered that P.O.D of bullocking, tackling contested grunt which we now have a few too many of in the side.
 
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DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW IF THIS LIST CLOGGER IS EXTENDED FOR NEXT YEAR FROM SOME TRIGGER CLAUSE THE MEDIA REPEATEDLY SAID HE HAD TO BASICALLY PLAY ONE GAME AND TIE HIS SHOELACES TO ACTIVATE? YET THE CLUB AND MEDIA HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING THIS YEAR? We could've cashed him in couple years ago for a 1st rounder. Doubtful we get pick 60 for him now. But dropping his overinflated $600k contract would be nice. Top tier salary= minimal return on investment. Sad thing is Bolton's on similar coin.

“List clogger” = absolutely agree

“Could have got a 1st rounder for him a couple years ago” = you’re smoking crack.

Absolute best case for him has always been 2nd round.

“$600k salary” = you’re smoking crack again
 
A stint in the VFL will be good for him. Earn his spot, get some fitness, get some confidence and work on areas of improvement. Needs to happen for everyone's sake.
 

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“List clogger” = absolutely agree

“Could have got a 1st rounder for him a couple years ago” = you’re smoking crack.

Absolute best case for him has always been 2nd round.

“$600k salary” = you’re smoking crack again

I know for a 100% fact Carlton had 4 years $2.7 mil offer on the table for him and his manager was also taking offers from Adelaide, Essendon and North Melbourne. Cerra essentially got the Graham deal a year later. And blues gave Freo pick 6 for Cerra with other picks exchanging.

No idea what the other teams offered but would've been close for his agent to even entertain. You're forgetting many in the league and especially around here thought Graham was a future superstar and Captain. If he's getting offered $675k X 4 years no way he's knocking that back for less than $600k X 3 or thereabouts
 
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I know for a 100% fact Carlton had 4 years $2.7 mil offer on the table for him and his manager was also taking offers from Adelaide, Essendon and North Melbourne. Cerra essentially got the Graham deal a year later. And blues gave Freo pick 6 for Cerra with other picks exchanging.

No idea what the other teams offered but would've been close for his agent to even entertain. You're forgetting many in the league and especially around here thought Graham was a future superstar and Captain. If he's getting offered $675k X 4 years no way he's knocking that back for less than $600k X 3 or thereabouts
Now we will be getting a slab for him if we trade him, .
 
DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW IF THIS LIST CLOGGER IS EXTENDED FOR NEXT YEAR FROM SOME TRIGGER CLAUSE THE MEDIA REPEATEDLY SAID HE HAD TO BASICALLY PLAY ONE GAME AND TIE HIS SHOELACES TO ACTIVATE? YET THE CLUB AND MEDIA HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING THIS YEAR? We could've cashed him in couple years ago for a 1st rounder. Doubtful we get pick 60 for him now. But dropping his overinflated $600k contract would be nice. Top tier salary= minimal return on investment. Sad thing is Bolton's on similar coin.
Love to know where you are getting your numbers from

There is no chance in the world he is on $600k and if he was why the F*** would he have toured port adelaide



* And why the hell are you screaming dont you know there are kids trying to sleep here
 
Love to know where you are getting your numbers from

There is no chance in the world he is on $600k and if he was why the F*** would he have toured port adelaide



* And why the hell are you screaming dont you know there are kids trying to sleep here


My Daughter's friend from Primary school her family are big donors at Carlton and her dad has done scouting for them for about 15 years. Used to see him all the time but still catch up a few times a year. This guys a straight shooter.

I remember the figures cos I remembered it as Stuart Maxfield (27) x Craig Lambert (4). Heaps of 💩 players out there getting overpaid on promise. Us and North bumped Hamish Hartlett up to $800k cos we were desperate for a doozie. Tigers were paying Conca $600 and the swap for a homesick Gaff fell over cos they pissed themselves that he was getting that. Polecs probably still getting $750k to play Xbox. Graham would be on $600k or not much less. Which is a joke when Vlastuin, Grimes would never been paid as much as the near uaeless plodder.
 
My Daughter's friend from Primary school her family are big donors at Carlton and her dad has done scouting for them for about 15 years. Used to see him all the time but still catch up a few times a year. This guys a straight shooter.

I remember the figures cos I remembered it as Stuart Maxfield (27) x Craig Lambert (4). Heaps of 💩 players out there getting overpaid on promise. Us and North bumped Hamish Hartlett up to $800k cos we were desperate for a doozie. Tigers were paying Conca $600 and the swap for a homesick Gaff fell over cos they pissed themselves that he was getting that. Polecs probably still getting $750k to play Xbox. Graham would be on $600k or not much less. Which is a joke when Vlastuin, Grimes would never been paid as much as the near uaeless plodder.
I dont doubt what you have been told but dont believe it to be true

If Graham was offered $600k he would have taken it as he was on very little at the time and got a bump after signing on with Richmond

If Graham was on $600k which is Wayyyyy Wayyyyyy overs last year , There is no way he would have been approached by Port or he would have toured alberton . His manager would have told them what he was on and what he would need to move and Port still asked him to tour and would have signed him if the JHF deal didnt pop up

Port were never going to pay him $600k or more and i dont believe for 1 second he would be on any more than $450k at Richmond with where our cap was 3 years ago
 
It doesn't matter what we think all that matters is what is. Paddie Dow and Cam Rayner were both extended 3 years $2mil deals before playing a single practice match. Don't know what year they're at or if extended again but that put them on $666k for years 3-5.

Rayner would be lucky if gets extended again on $400- $450k. Dow would be lucky if his next contract is $150-$200k. I'm only assuming but imagine Graham and or his manager were told Hopper and Taranto are in Sonsies here your not progressing in the mid queue you're 3 steps back now. We overpaid you. You didn't deliver so your next contract justifiably will be SFA. He's hardly gonna go to Port saying I've been getting $600k so with cost of living increases I want $630k.

He was plan B in case Horne Francis fell over. Unluckily for us it went through cos now we've got a 1 dimensional plodder who amazingly for a bloke in his prime who plays near the action is rarely in top 10 best players. He's dined out on the 2017 GF and would be lucky if he's improved 10% overall on his small sample sized debut year.

Funnily enough everytime I bagged him as useless last year a dozen fanboys would defend him and get personal in their responses. Finally even the die hards have realised after 7 years he's borderline useless. Although someone will post some bullsh1t image of his average km's, repeat sprints.... etc. I still reckon in a 1 on 1 training drill I'd run him down and get away from him 8/10. I'll take pick 60 to move him on. About all he's worth now.
 
It doesn't matter what we think all that matters is what is. Paddie Dow and Cam Rayner were both extended 3 years $2mil deals before playing a single practice match. Don't know what year they're at or if extended again but that put them on $666k for years 3-5.

Rayner would be lucky if gets extended again on $400- $450k. Dow would be lucky if his next contract is $150-$200k. I'm only assuming but imagine Graham and or his manager were told Hopper and Taranto are in Sonsies here your not progressing in the mid queue you're 3 steps back now. We overpaid you. You didn't deliver so your next contract justifiably will be SFA. He's hardly gonna go to Port saying I've been getting $600k so with cost of living increases I want $630k.

He was plan B in case Horne Francis fell over. Unluckily for us it went through cos now we've got a 1 dimensional plodder who amazingly for a bloke in his prime who plays near the action is rarely in top 10 best players. He's dined out on the 2017 GF and would be lucky if he's improved 10% overall on his small sample sized debut year.

Funnily enough everytime I bagged him as useless last year a dozen fanboys would defend him and get personal in their responses. Finally even the die hards have realised after 7 years he's borderline useless. Although someone will post some bullsh1t image of his average km's, repeat sprints.... etc. I still reckon in a 1 on 1 training drill I'd run him down and get away from him 8/10. I'll take pick 60 to move him on. About all he's worth now.
Jack Graham signed his contract end of 2020 after we won the premiership with players like
Dusty , Cotchin , Astbury , Grimes , Riewoldt , Lynch , Edwards , Prestia on big contracts and it was Jack Grahams 1st contract extension. There would be no way in the world we would have the salary cap or the stupidity to sign such a big deal for a player which had just played 50 games and injury prone for 3 years.
 
Some nastiness here, directed towards a Richmond life member…Always disappointing, but particularly from newbies/trollers…This guy set up our first flag, and his arm was hanging off to get us to the 2nd…He may leave one day, but with respect and as a Tiger…
 
Some nastiness here, directed towards a Richmond life member…Always disappointing, but particularly from newbies/trollers…This guy set up our first flag, and his arm was hanging off to get us to the 2nd…He may leave one day, but with respect and as a Tiger…
You are a man of few words Turka but you make a hell of alot more sense that the Rubbish that gets posted lately
 

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