Player Watch #34: Jack Graham - MOVED TO WCE - PICK 42 Received

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tigers12 said:
God there is some useless stats on here about graham I give you a stat my stat is he has been ******* shithouse for nearly 2 years šŸ˜‚
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Was the highest non midfield player for pressure points in the AFL in 2022 and the highest outright in the AFL in 2021. Not as strong this season but still respectable pressure numbers.

pretty tough to be shithouse and also the highest pressure points player in the AFL at the same time. :)
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Was the highest non midfield player for pressure points in the AFL in 2022 and the highest outright in the AFL in 2021. Not as strong this season but still respectable pressure numbers.

pretty tough to be shithouse and also the highest pressure points player in the AFL at the same time. :)
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Meteoric Rise said:
But the principle is correct do you agree? In all normal circumstances, you select the players most likely to make to improve the performance of the team. As opposed to omitting players who increase the chances of the team performing better because their own performances don't please our circus-crowd senses.

If you agree with that principle then you have to ask yourself some questions. Is there a perfect correlation between performances that please our eyes more and performances that help the team win more? If there is no such correlation, then where do we start to look for answers other than:

a) results
b) what more informed people prefer, ie, the selectors?

Where you might demote a player for a dip in form where you have a viable alternative who is likely to improve the team's performance, the equation becomes a lot different when a suitable replacement is not available.

Don't be hoodwinked by Tiger Limp-poster :) and his cronies, Graham's presence within the team has been beneficial throughout his career, otherwise the selectors would not be selecting him. All I have done is locate some objective data that supports that perfectly sound conclusion. Also, don't be like Pleasedon'tbreed, who thinks a team full of quarterbacks, punters and wide receivers without any of those dudes that specialise in inconveniencing the opposition will win you everything.

You guys take Adelaide's supercoach win in the 2017 GF. The rest of us will take Richmond's 8 goal victory, on the scoreboard. :cool:
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No. I don't agree. A game of footy is far more complex and full of many moments that are 50/50. requires a lot more analysis then simple play not didn't play win %

Every player makes mistakes that contribute towards a loss.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Was the highest non midfield player for pressure points in the AFL in 2022 and the highest outright in the AFL in 2021. Not as strong this season but still respectable pressure numbers.

pretty tough to be shithouse and also the highest pressure points player in the AFL at the same time. :)
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Pressure points, pressure points ... Steven Seagal!!!
 
tigers12 said:
God there is some useless stats on here about graham I give you a stat my stat is he has been ******* shithouse for nearly 2 years šŸ˜‚
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If you're going to throw stats around this thread be accurate. Only 2 years is far too light on. I'd put he's been fu@ken sh1thouse for 90% of his career.

I actually wonder if he could outrun Sabrina Fredrik in 1 on 1 drills.

The Graham is slow.... But the punters are out of patience.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Was the highest non midfield player for pressure points in the AFL in 2022 and the highest outright in the AFL in 2021. Not as strong this season but still respectable pressure numbers.

pretty tough to be shithouse and also the highest pressure points player in the AFL at the same time. :)
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First off I enjoy your work. Iā€™m wondering if pressure acts are down all over the league ?

Talking to Brad Close in 2020 and he said when he played Richmond the pressure was off the charts.
Of course we know what happened with Hocking and the stand rule and 6 6 6 rule to relieve the pressure. ( obviously aimed at Richmond )

Not talking about any players here but I wonder if with the rule changes if pressure is no longer the Holy Grail any more. Although Port look like they are bringing it
 
Boston tiger said:
First off I enjoy your work. Iā€™m wondering if pressure acts are down all over the league ?

Talking to Brad Close in 2020 and he said when he played Richmond the pressure was off the charts.
Of course we know what happened with Hocking and the stand rule and 6 6 6 rule to relieve the pressure. ( obviously aimed at Richmond )

Not talking about any players here but I wonder if with the rule changes if pressure is no longer the Holy Grail any more. Although Port look like they are bringing it
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Iā€™m some degrees it is however oppo we played recently described a familiar way we play ,,,
 
PRESSUE is part-linked to pace and foot-speed.
We don't have much of it anymore.
Cotchin, Prestia, Graham have all slowed, albeit of that bunch, Cotchin was the only one with any real pace.
We brought in Taranto and Hopper - neither sprinters.
McIntosh and Pickett have aged and a re a step or two below two and three years ago.
While he was not necessarily relied on for pressure, but he created some, Nank has lost a yard or two.
As has Grimes.
Need I go on? We don't bring the manic pressure as we are too damn slow and sorry to re-highlight the point, Graham is as slow as my 80-year-old mum.
 
For those calling for us to drop Graham, who are you going to replace him with?

All the small forwards we have running around in the VFL can't even manage double digit disposals most weeks.

Meanwhile Graham is ranked above average for disposals, tackles and pressure acts for a small forward. He's also elite for disposal efficiency and effective disposals.

You guys always want to attack the role players. JGTI does his job every week and plays a selfless role sacrificing his own game so you can all cream your pants over Bolton and Dusty.
 
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Wooden Robot said:
PRESSUE is part-linked to pace and foot-speed.
We don't have much of it anymore.
Cotchin, Prestia, Graham have all slowed, albeit of that bunch, Cotchin was the only one with any real pace.
We brought in Taranto and Hopper - neither sprinters.
McIntosh and Pickett have aged and a re a step or two below two and three years ago.
While he was not necessarily relied on for pressure, but he created some, Nank has lost a yard or two.
As has Grimes.
Need I go on? We don't bring the manic pressure as we are too damn slow and sorry to re-highlight the point, Graham is as slow as my 80-year-old mum.
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It's been my biggest issue all year that we are in need of speed , yet remarkably the teams selected seem to get slower the minute they get to a chance to fit an old hero back. Dropping MRJ was ridiculous as the replacements made us slower. I can't believe it's so obvious to the fans(minus fanboys) yet a group in highly paid football department cannot.
As you said pressure is directly proportional to speed , so if speed drops then so does pressure.
I would take an 8 possession MRJ game over any of 12-16 possession game of Pickett, JGTI, Cumberland, HRS, kmac and Ryan as these guys don't provide that pressure our game plan craves for.
 
fargothegreat said:
For those calling for us to drop Graham, who are you going to replace him with?

All the small forwards we have running around in the VFL can't even manage double digit disposals most weeks.

Meanwhile Graham is ranked above average for disposals, tackles and pressure acts for a small forward. He's also elite for disposal efficiency and effective disposals.

You blokes always want to attack the role players. JGTI does his job every week and plays a selfless role sacrificing his own game so you can all cream your pants over Bolton and Dusty.
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A door knob would suffice atm
 
TigerImposter said:
It's been my biggest issue all year that we are in need of speed , yet remarkably the teams selected seem to get slower the minute they get to a chance to fit an old hero back. Dropping MRJ was ridiculous as the replacements made us slower. I can't believe it's so obvious to the fans(minus fanboys) yet a group in highly paid football department cannot.
As you said pressure is directly proportional to speed , so if speed drops then so does pressure.
I would take an 8 possession MRJ game over any of 12-16 possession game of Pickett, JGTI, Cumberland, HRS, kmac and Ryan as these guys don't provide that pressure our game plan craves for.
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Pickett's pressure is pretty good. The problem is he follows it up by clotheslining a bloke instead of laying an effective tackle.
 
fargothegreat said:
Pickett's pressure is pretty good. The problem is he follows it up by clotheslining a bloke instead of laying an effective tackle.
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Yes when he's near range, but now he's not close enough to the action anymore bc he's getting left behind. I think with him it's more he's not actually a forward and doesn't know the role as he's not big enough for a kpf and too slow to be a SF.
 
fargothegreat said:
For those calling for us to drop Graham, who are you going to replace him with?

All the small forwards we have running around in the VFL can't even manage double digit disposals most weeks.

Meanwhile Graham is ranked above average for disposals, tackles and pressure acts for a small forward. He's also elite for disposal efficiency and effective disposals.

You guys always want to attack the role players. JGTI does his job every week and plays a selfless role sacrificing his own game so you can all cream your pants over Bolton and Dusty.
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He had 6 possessions up until 3/4 times last week in his usual high forward role. Picked up a 5 more when put on the ball for the last Q, but like all our forwards was poor. Had a couple of decent games before that 20 and 21 which might save him.

He might do his job every week, but we are losing, those role players don't help as much when you lose because you need better than that to win games without your stars getting you over the line.
 
TigerImposter said:
Yes when he's near range, but now he's not close enough to the action anymore bc he's getting left behind. I think with him it's more he's not actually a forward and doesn't know the role as he's not big enough for a kpf and too slow to be a SF.
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Yeah I agree he's much better suited to the wing, but Ross and McIntosh are probably ahead of him there now. I'd much rather see Cumberland play in the role they've currently got Pickett. Far more natural forward.
 
Grrr said:
He had 6 possessions up until 3/4 times last week in his usual high forward role. Picked up a 5 more when put on the ball for the last Q, but like all our forwards was poor. Had a couple of decent games before that 20 and 21 which might save him.

He might do his job every week, but we are losing, those role players don't help as much when you lose because you need better than that to win games without your stars getting you over the line.
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Our entire forward line had low numbers last week because the ball didn't go down there. Graham has been playing his role. He's not the problem imo. Our issue is we have no tall marking forwards and not enough small pressure forwards.
 
fargothegreat said:
Our entire forward line had low numbers last week because the ball didn't go down there. Graham has been playing his role. He's not the problem imo. Our issue is we have no tall marking forwards and not enough small pressure forwards.
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Yes playing his role. Is it good enough right now. As I mentioned was okay the two weeks before, so I'm not bagging him, just questioning him as an automatic. Dusty back this week, one forward will miss. I'd rather Graham have a break and find some real form in the VFL than drop Cumberland again.
Bauer comes in also.
 

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