Player Watch #38 Noah Cumberland - Delisted

[sregit]

Sounds strangely personal. I'll easily prove you are a hater in my next post after this one with some stats.

But for now, would you say Bolton is also inconsistent?

What about Grimes being an air head giving away stupid frees? Nank?

The difference is, Cumberland has played 23 games and cops it for being an inconsistent air head of a moron. In a game after his uncle died.

Grimes and Bolton have played about 380 games between them and overall but are broadly considered to be good blokes.

Let’s get this clear. Do I think the players you mentioned have their faults, absolutely. Do they give away annoying frees, yes but that’s another conversation. I’m not hammering Cumbo for his game against Adelaide specifically, so don’t use the death of his uncle to bolster your point, as I’m not interested in a one game outcome. I just think he’s an ordinary footballer who will not be good enough to be part of an ultimately successful team. I call bullshite on your labelling of us supporters who don’t agree with you (Cumbo fan) as haters.

 

[Growapair]

Yes because a pressure act wouldn't bring defensive pressure to bear on the opposition....come on TI, you are probably rusty off your lay off so we will give you a mulligan, just admit you got this one wrong. You are certainly rapid when it comes to admitting you got anything right.

#TigerImposter is Actually right

Pressure acts as recorded by ChampionData are pressure on the ball carrier only.

It does not record defensive pressure that is applied to prevent other players receiving the ball

 

[beema limapep]

Let’s get this clear. Do I think the players you mentioned have their faults, absolutely. Do they give away annoying frees, yes but that’s another conversation. I’m not hammering Cumbo for his game against Adelaide specifically, so don’t use the death of his uncle to bolster your point, as I’m not interested in a one game outcome. I just think he’s an ordinary footballer who will not be good enough to be part of an ultimately successful team. I call bullshite on your labelling of us supporters who don’t agree with you (Cumbo fan) as haters.

Looks like the hate is spreading from Cumbo to anyone who backs in Cumbo.

How terribly negative!

All about backing him in!

 

[beema limapep]

#TigerImposter is Actually right

Pressure acts as recorded by ChampionData are pressure on the ball carrier only.

It does not record defensive pressure that is applied to prevent other players receiving the ball

lol wrecked

 

[Karp3_dm]

Jesus.

Cumberland is trying to add pressure to his game to become a genuine AFL class footballer. We applaud him for that. His last 2 performances are reasonable, and that is a big improvement on his previous 9 which were absolutely shocking on the whole. So we should be encouraged by that improvement. But 2022 is not coming again for Cumberland. It was an anomaly created by him running offside at every chance, it worked for him in terms of kicking goals and he got on a roll. It has rightly been made abundantly clear to him that he must perform to what the team needs him to do or he won't get a game. If he starts producing high pressure games with decent scoreboard impact regularly, then he will have turned the corner. He is trying to play like a Tom Papley or Charlie Cameron. The trouble is:

- Papley has a career average 14.2 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 6 contested possessions, 2.5 tackles, 2.4 goals + assists.

- Cameron 11.4 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions, 2.5 goals + assists.

- Cumberland 8.5 disposals, 11 pressure acts, 4 contested possessions, 2.2 tackles and 2.0 goals + assists.

Cumberland is a discount version not only on the scoreboard, but in every aspect of the game offensively and defensively. And this is including Cumberland's once in a lifetime purple patch in 2022 making up around 40% of his career.

Hopefully the guy keeps his mind on the job, he needs to, or he won't be on the list next season. He is 23 now, 5th year on the list and there is no tomorrow for him, no appeal to having not played enough games. He is in his prime right now. Hopefully he sticks to the task and keeps improving but that is what he will need to do.

Mate the kid has played 23 games ffs…

Comparing him to 2 of the best small forwards in the comp.. what is wrong with you?
Did those guys average those sort of numbers in their first 23 games?

Give him a break
23 games ffs, let the kid settle before being so harsh on him

He seriously is judged by a different set of standards from so many here it’s crazy

 

[beema limapep]

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Jesus.

Cumberland is trying to add pressure to his game to become a genuine AFL class footballer. We applaud him for that. His last 2 performances are reasonable, and that is a big improvement on his previous 9 which were absolutely shocking on the whole. So we should be encouraged by that improvement. But 2022 is not coming again for Cumberland. It was an anomaly created by him running offside at every chance, it worked for him in terms of kicking goals and he got on a roll. It has rightly been made abundantly clear to him that he must perform to what the team needs him to do or he won't get a game. If he starts producing high pressure games with decent scoreboard impact regularly, then he will have turned the corner. He is trying to play like a Tom Papley or Charlie Cameron. The trouble is:

- Papley has a career average 14.2 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 6 contested possessions, 2.5 tackles, 2.4 goals + assists.

- Cameron 11.4 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions, 2.5 goals + assists.

- Cumberland 8.5 disposals, 11 pressure acts, 4 contested possessions, 2.2 tackles and 2.0 goals + assists.

Cumberland is a discount version not only on the scoreboard, but in every aspect of the game offensively and defensively. And this is including Cumberland's once in a lifetime purple patch in 2022 making up around 40% of his career.

Hopefully the guy keeps his mind on the job, he needs to, or he won't be on the list next season. He is 23 now, 5th year on the list and there is no tomorrow for him, no appeal to having not played enough games. He is in his prime right now. Hopefully he sticks to the task and keeps improving but that is what he will need to do.

You give me the terrible impression of a person who has never read the counterview to your own stand points. At least on this matter.

Pretty insular thinking. The guy has played 23 games! At least use Papley and Cameron's stats after 23 games as a starting point. My God.

Sharpen up!

 

[sregit]

Looks like the hate is spreading from Cumbo to anyone who backs in Cumbo.

How terribly negative!

All about backing him in!

Twist it anyway you like. Your response is pathetic!

 

[beema limapep]

Twist it anyway you like. Your response is pathetic!

Hater.

 

[Hello harry]

You’re talking bullshit. I think Cumbo is an inconsistent air-headed moron of a footballer. A spud. However, being desperate for him to fail is absurd. Nothing would delight us so called Cumbo haters more than for him to turn out half as good as you Cumbo fan boys make him out to be.
Stop calling us haters because we don’t support your opinion. We want any player who wears the yellow and black to succeed but just don’t think he’s the quality to do so.

You wouldn’t know talent if it hit upside the face!! For any person to name call a Richmond play is a disgrace. I hate have you ever don’t with your life?? He is out there like the rest of them doing the best he can, go crawl back into your hole, you’re not a hater just a sad little man


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[Grrr]

Jesus.

Cumberland is trying to add pressure to his game to become a genuine AFL class footballer. We applaud him for that. His last 2 performances are reasonable, and that is a big improvement on his previous 9 which were absolutely shocking on the whole. So we should be encouraged by that improvement. But 2022 is not coming again for Cumberland. It was an anomaly created by him running offside at every chance, it worked for him in terms of kicking goals and he got on a roll. It has rightly been made abundantly clear to him that he must perform to what the team needs him to do or he won't get a game. If he starts producing high pressure games with decent scoreboard impact regularly, then he will have turned the corner. He is trying to play like a Tom Papley or Charlie Cameron. The trouble is:

- Papley has a career average 14.2 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 6 contested possessions, 2.5 tackles, 2.4 goals + assists.

- Cameron 11.4 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions, 2.5 goals + assists.

- Cumberland 8.5 disposals, 11 pressure acts, 4 contested possessions, 2.2 tackles and 2.0 goals + assists.

Cumberland is a discount version not only on the scoreboard, but in every aspect of the game offensively and defensively. And this is including Cumberland's once in a lifetime purple patch in 2022 making up around 40% of his career.

Hopefully the guy keeps his mind on the job, he needs to, or he won't be on the list next season. He is 23 now, 5th year on the list and there is no tomorrow for him, no appeal to having not played enough games. He is in his prime right now. Hopefully he sticks to the task and keeps improving but that is what he will need to do.

Those stats look pretty good for the stage of Cumberland's career.

You also have to consider that the way Hardwick coached last year was pretty much opposite to how Cumberland played, hence his poor year. It wasn't talent that he lacked, but according to Hardwick the defensive things. So there was a bob each way in my book, which is how it is turning out so far this year. Some of his natural attack at all costs has lessened, but his defensive work has improved. Which is about normal for a player who has played 20 odd games.

 

[Livonski]

You wouldn’t know talent if it hit upside the face!! For any person to name call a Richmond play is a disgrace. I hate have you ever don’t with your life?? He is out there like the rest of them doing the best he can, go crawl back into your hole, you’re not a hater just a sad little man


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Interesting turn of phrase there Harry. Slow down and concentrate. You type like Cumbo plays.

 

[beema limapep]

Mate the kid has played 23 games ffs…

Comparing him to 2 of the best small forwards in the comp.. what is wrong with you?
Did those guys average those sort of numbers in their first 23 games?

Give him a break
23 games ffs, let the kid settle before being so harsh on him

He seriously is judged by a different set of standards from so many here it’s crazy

It's mental. That post comparing a 23 gamer to a full career of arguably the 2 greatest small forwards of the era is probably the most foolish attempt to make a point I can remember on here.

I can't believe anyone would even try it on and keep a straight face.

 

[Grrr]

Let’s get this clear. Do I think the players you mentioned have their faults, absolutely. Do they give away annoying frees, yes but that’s another conversation. I’m not hammering Cumbo for his game against Adelaide specifically, so don’t use the death of his uncle to bolster your point, as I’m not interested in a one game outcome. I just think he’s an ordinary footballer who will not be good enough to be part of an ultimately successful team. I call bullshite on your labelling of us supporters who don’t agree with you (Cumbo fan) as haters.

I think that is fair enough. You consider him an average player, and in terms of footy smarts you are probably right. He does have an energy that when harnessed/focussed is not average. As yet that has not really been sorted out, hopefully it will, maybe it won't. I think we are all fence sitters to a degree with Cumberland, because he could go either way.

 

[beema limapep]

Those stats look pretty good for the stage of Cumberland's career.

You also have to consider that the way Hardwick coached last year was pretty much opposite to how Cumberland played, hence his poor year.

The stats from Meteoric Rise are wrong. For example Papley averages 1.58 goals per game over his career not 2.4 as claimed.

In fact he has never averaged more than 2.0 goals per game in a season. See the link below.

AFL Tables - Tom Papley - Stats - Statistics

I won't bother disproving the rest as it inherently a waste of time.

 

[skinnyP]

You’re talking bullshit. I think Cumbo is an inconsistent air-headed moron of a footballer. A spud.

Stop calling us haters

 

[beema limapep]

Average goals per game based on roughly similar number of games played at start of careers.

Cumbers 33 goals from 23 games (Ave 1.43)
Papley 29 goals from 20 games (Ave 1.45)
Cameron 25 goals from 20 games (Ave 1.25)

 

[TigerImposter]

The stats from Meteoric Rise are wrong. For example Papley averages 1.58 goals per game over his career not 2.4 as claimed.

In fact he has never averaged more than 2.0 goals per game in a season. See the link below.

AFL Tables - Tom Papley - Stats - Statistics

I won't bother disproving the rest as it inherently a waste of time.

A second reason why i ignore any stats he puts up as he's done this before.

 

[Growapair]

Jesus.

Cumberland is trying to add pressure to his game to become a genuine AFL class footballer. We applaud him for that. His last 2 performances are reasonable, and that is a big improvement on his previous 9 which were absolutely shocking on the whole. So we should be encouraged by that improvement. But 2022 is not coming again for Cumberland. It was an anomaly created by him running offside at every chance, it worked for him in terms of kicking goals and he got on a roll. It has rightly been made abundantly clear to him that he must perform to what the team needs him to do or he won't get a game. If he starts producing high pressure games with decent scoreboard impact regularly, then he will have turned the corner. He is trying to play like a Tom Papley or Charlie Cameron. The trouble is:

- Papley has a career average 14.2 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 6 contested possessions, 2.5 tackles, 2.4 goals + assists.

- Cameron 11.4 disposals, 13 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions, 2.5 goals + assists.

- Cumberland 8.5 disposals, 11 pressure acts, 4 contested possessions, 2.2 tackles and 2.0 goals + assists.

Cumberland is a discount version not only on the scoreboard, but in every aspect of the game offensively and defensively. And this is including Cumberland's once in a lifetime purple patch in 2022 making up around 40% of his career.

Hopefully the guy keeps his mind on the job, he needs to, or he won't be on the list next season. He is 23 now, 5th year on the list and there is no tomorrow for him, no appeal to having not played enough games. He is in his prime right now. Hopefully he sticks to the task and keeps improving but that is what he will need to do.

Dow is also in his 5th season ... and played more games ... could you please compare his record to the best 2 midfielders in the competition for us? ... maybe include how many games Dow has won off his own boot?

 

[Karp3_dm]

It's mental. That post comparing a 23 gamer to a full career of arguably the 2 greatest small forwards of the era is probably the most foolish attempt to make a point I can remember on here.

I can't believe anyone would even try it on and keep a straight face.

MR is normally very measured and balanced too but he’s clearly effected by CDS (Cumberland deranged Syndrome) just in the same way Trump haters are with TDS

It’s incredibly powerful, they can’t see past their personal hate towards the individual to actually see the truth

I’m sure there is a cure tho

 

[Forensi Tiger]

I get it.

If you are a Noah supporter then you probably have been since day one and - you give great weight to every one of his positive actions and statistics. You downplay his deficiencies or not see them. You find stats and parts to his game that are great that no one else can see.

If you are not a Noah supporter and you probably haven’t been ever- you downplay anything he does well or any of the positive stats. You highlight everything he does poorly even if others do or have done the same thing. You see bad things he does or doesn’t do that no one else can.

Calling on neutrals to tell us if he will make it or not so we can finally get some peace.

 

[TigerImposter]

I get it.

If you are a Noah supporter then you probably have been since day one and - you give great weight to every one of his positive actions and statistics. You downplay his deficiencies or not see them. You find stats and parts to his game that are great that no one else can see.

If you are not a Noah supporter and you probably haven’t been ever- you downplay anything he does well or any of the positive stats. You highlight everything he does poorly even if others do or have done the same thing. You see bad things he does or doesn’t do that no one else can.

Calling on neutrals to tell us if he will make it or not so we can finally get some peace.

I think there's a lot of neutrals like me as he's so hot and cold. I basically judge him on what his output has been to date with his matchups and the reason why i'm giving him some rope. With our inept tall forwards and him playing both a role of a third tall mixed with a small and coupled up with a slow midfield that has been monstered it's just unfair to be critical of him. I think he's actually performed beyond my expectations to this stage and he's not the worst in our team.

 

[sregit]

I think that is fair enough. You consider him an average player, and in terms of footy smarts you are probably right. He does have an energy that when harnessed/focussed is not average. As yet that has not really been sorted out, hopefully it will, maybe it won't. I think we are all fence sitters to a degree with Cumberland, because he could go either way.

Finally someone who makes sense. I’m not a Cumbo fan but you’re right, I agree that the majority here are just waiting to see how his career pans out. Personally I don’t think he’ll be much of a footballer but that doesn’t make me or others a Cumbo hater and that statement is just bullshite. I hope he smashes it.

 

[Vassp]

The stats from Meteoric Rise are wrong. For example Papley averages 1.58 goals per game over his career not 2.4 as claimed.

In fact he has never averaged more than 2.0 goals per game in a season. See the link below.

AFL Tables - Tom Papley - Stats - Statistics

I won't bother disproving the rest as it inherently a waste of time.

There is a good reason why I watch the game, anylise it from there, THE OLD SAYING is to use your eyes. Cumbo is the reverse of TT. People make up stats to hate on him and in TTs case they worship his stats to inflate his importance.

 

[T4P]

Me entering this thread

 

[Vassp]

So let me get this straight Vassp...because Lachie Neale had a 45 possession game against us that was not as effective as "Dusty," Cumberland's 5 pressure act game did in fact mean he applied high defensive pressure?

This is getting more and more intriguing.

Can somebody please end the suspense and explain what Cumberland did to apply high pressure other than his 5 pressure acts. This is killing me.

You completely missed my point, Point is that quotes are a dangerous thing, and can be manipulated to do all sorts of evil things.