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4 years on - Hawthorn and Richmond
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They are about even now ...
You keep telling yourself that.
Reality is, Roughead is to Franklin as Peter Fleming is to John McEnroe and Steve Williams is to Tiger Woods.
Richmond is to Hawthorn as pr0n is to sex
Maybe you should go read some other teams' forums and see what their opinions are.
The only ones who want to downplay the importance of Roughy and Buddy together are Richmond supporters....for obvious reasons.
I have no doubt that the "Roughy and Buddy together" is important. Never said anything to the contrary. I was merely pointing out the disproportionate level of individual footballing ability and star appeal between the two.
Franklin would still be Franklin in Roughead's absence, but Roughead would be a far less significant player in Franklin's absence. He's no Stewie Loewe or Dermott Brereton. Not even a Barry Stoneham.
Roughead is unquestionably the second best player from the 2004 draft, which incidentally was where he was picked.
It doesn't say much for Richmond's drafting when they held the whip-hand in that draft with picks 1 and 4 and still didn't manage to secure one of the two best players.
No amount of Walla$e spin will ever change that fact.
Roughead is unquestionably the second best player from the 2004 draft, which incidentally was where he was picked.
It doesn't say much for Richmond's drafting when they held the whip-hand in that draft with picks 1 and 4 and still didn't manage to secure one of the two best players.
No amount of Walla$e spin will ever change that fact.
Rubbish. Deledio is clearly a better footballer than Roughead any day of the week.
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Deledio is a fantastic footballer, who well and truely lived up to his #1 tag this season. The real arguement should be that Roughead's clearly more valuable, due to him being a big power forward (who can play down back too).
No need to downplay Deledio as a footballer though, because you're only making yourself look stupid.
No need to downplay Deledio as a footballer though, because you're only making yourself look stupid.
Both teams achieved their goals. Hence it is a close debate.
Travis Cloke is not far behind either.
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pfft yeah dont wanna swear but yeah.
hawks got way more experienced guys in there team back then n now
you and ****
put them into a sentance
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FWIW I think Richmond are doing just fine considering they're Richmond.
And there's the problem with the Tigers. Where is the ruthless Richmond of old that wouldn't tolerate being laughed at?
Where is the Richmond of old who fired Jewell the year after winning a premiership, and got rid of 2 of their all time greats in Francis Bourke and Bartlett.
The Richmond that Hafey took to 4 flags.
The Richmond that went to Windy Hill and started a riot
The Richmond that taught Sheedy the ropes.
Graham Richmond and Jack Dyer must be turning in their graves seeing the Tigers get taken for a ride by someone like Wallace.
If GR was there Wallace would have been out on his arse at the end of last season
Richmond need to get some tough Tiger people back to that club asap.
Loewe > 70 goals in 2 seasons (17 seasons total)
Brereton > 70 goals in 0 seasons (13 seasons total)
Stoneham > 70 goals in 0 seasons (14 seasons total)
Roughie > 70 goals in 1 season (4 seasons total)
After 4 years (total goals)
Brereton 135 (69 games)
Stoneham 59 (65 games)
Loewe 54 (73 games)
Roughie 133 (83 games)
Roughie is miles ahead of loewe and Stoneham. Even has a premiership medal
Although he's slightly behind Dermie (5day & 5 night premierships)
To be honest Roughead is a more valuable (not necessarily better) player then Deledio.
Ace midfielders are fairly easy to find, in comparison to gun tall key fowards who kicked more then 70 goals in a premiership winning year
Ace midfielders are fairly easy to find, in comparison to gun tall key fowards who kicked more then 70 goals in a premiership winning year
Not Bob Keddie
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Note also in Clarkson's first year he still had duds he had to play because of outstanding contracts. Hawthorn had the worst 100 gamers collectively in the league when the super coach took over. Wallet did have a better list to play with and stuffed it up. The fact he has survived to finish his contract next year is amazing or is Richmond that stupid. I think they are just stupid.
Can I bookmark that?
How exactly did he "stuff it up"? By retiring off Stafford, Gaspar, Kellaway (X2), Chaffey, Campbell, Hilton, Rogers, Hall and Ben Marsh?
Or by de-listing Blumfield, Zantuck, Fiora, Nicholls, Fleming, Fletcher, Dragecevic, Roach, Weller, Morrison, Krakuoer, Tivendale, Hyde, Archibald, Gilmour, Sipthorp and Hartigan?
Sure they were a better group of players circa 2005, but which of that latter listy of players, or even the older retirees before it, would you have kept on your list to make it a better Premiership chance as we rapidly approach the 2010's?
Agree with your posts Ghost... but what an eyesore!
We're talking about a bloke, who at a Bulldogs post-match mid-season press conference in 2002, told the football public "I've now built the list I always wanted", and then 3 months later at another presser (his resignation presser no less, resplendent in his mafioso black shirt and dark suit combo) tells all and sundry "I can't take this list any further". Nothing sticks to Teflon Terry, not even his own dribble.
It ain't pretty, is it Aus. If nothing else, we're a bloody tolerant bunch us Tiger supporters.
As fast as Richmond has been getting rid of its duds, Walla$e has been replenishing them.
Walla$e specials (that is his picks and not Millers) Tambling, JON, Meyer and McMahon. All first round picks and at time when Richmond was crying out to have their spine re-built. Walla$e believes he can re-invent the game by selecting 21 runners and a ruckman who isn't too tall. Why waste an early draft pick on a ruckman when the game is all about 21 runners according to Walla$e. Still I should thank Walla$e for selecting so many duds as he left the draft open for other teams.
The only player I feel sorry for at Richmond is Shane Tuck, he has a lot of attributes of his old man but due to Walla$e selfish short-sightedness he is forced to play in the ruck at the start of season 2007 - now that is sheer ridiculous and is an indictment of Walla$e's intrusion intoo list management.
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Our 2 ruckmen had injuries and the other was too young. How is it Wallace's fault that Frawley couldn't develop a list?
Anybody that tries to compare the trajectories of Hawthorn and Richmond from 4 years ago when Clarkson and Wallace were appointed, to today where one is a premiership coach and the other is talking up a ninth position finish...well they deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed.
I just thank god Hawthorn didn't buy Wallace's spin.
I just thank god Hawthorn didn't buy Wallace's spin.
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