Retired #43: Dean Rioli - 100 and out

Should Rioli take the rest of the season off?

  • Yes, bring him on next year!

    Votes: 7 35.0%

  • No, get your 100 and say goodbye.

    Votes: 13 65.0%
  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

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Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Ridiculous question - how many games and how much experience did Flood have?
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He'd been at the club longer than Kickett, was a great clubman and well respected.

He played in the previous two finals and performed better than Kickett.

He'd been at the club since 1986.

It's only rediculous because Flood didn't up and leave and you have no idea who he is. Flood was in the same boat as Kickett.
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Thanks Longy. It's even more pathetic then :mad:
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The team hadn't been announced.
I'm not even certain it was finalised.

Sure, Kickett had every right to be angry. But the decision to drop him was the right one.

Sure, it could have been handled better. But again, had Sheedy had the opportunity to handle it better I'm sure he would have.

At the end of the day, Kickett walked away and you can't hold that against him. But we won the flag, and losing Kickett was really of little consequence to the club other than providing an opportunity for people to have a crack at Sheeds.
 
monfries_young-gun said:
Sheeds is hoping Rioli breeds so we have a father son pick in the future. I would be surprised if he played more then 10 minutes a quarter if that.
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I think rioli had bred already, not sure if it is a boy or a girl though.....hje was on the Sunday Footy show a few years ago with his child
 

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Longy413 said:
He'd been at the club longer than Kickett, was a great clubman and well respected.

He played in the previous two finals and performed better than Kickett.

He'd been at the club since 1986.

It's only rediculous because Flood didn't up and leave and you have no idea who he is. Flood was in the same boat as Kickett.
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I know who he was. I also know how many games he played in 1993. SFA.

Yet you try and say Kickett was not in form.
 
He's a genius. But it would have been interesting to see if he'd have the problems with fitness like he does know had he not broken his collar bone and missed the 2000 GF.
 
i dont care if we get a couple of good games out of him here and there, we are not a charity, how can someone be an asset when they play 5 games a year? maybe his body isnt meant for footy, but playing him off the bench is reserved for jim hird someone who truely deserves it!
 
Longy413 said:
What position did he play during the 1993 finals series?
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I can't remember and dont particularly care. My recollection of him was as a typical athletic utility type Sheedy liked to use around the ground - sometimes in attack, sometimes down back, often both in the same game.

I thought he was useful without being anything special, certainly towards the end of his career. I dont have stats prior to 1993 so I'm relying solely on my memory of him prior to then. Put it this way he'd never make my favourite Bombers side. I'd have Kickett ahead of him almost every time, especially in a big match. Therefore I dont believe Flood warranted selection ahead of Kickett in the 1993 GF. If I was Sheedy I'd have chosen Derek ahead of Hills or Wallis. If not, I would have done everything in my power to let him know face to face before anyone else knew about it.

All I hope for is that Sheedy finds a way to associate in a positive way with Kickett sometime, somewhere in the future.
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
I can't remember and dont particularly care. My recollection of him was as a typical athletic utility type Sheedy liked to use around the ground - sometimes in attack, sometimes down back, often both in the same game.

I thought he was useful without being anything special, certainly towards the end of his career. I dont have stats prior to 1993 so I'm relying solely on my memory of him prior to then. Put it this way he'd never make my favourite Bombers side. I'd have Kickett ahead of him almost every time, especially in a big match. Therefore I dont believe Flood warranted selection ahead of Kickett in the 1993 GF. If I was Sheedy I'd have chosen Derek ahead of Hills or Wallis. If not, I would have done everything in my power to let him know face to face before anyone else knew about it.

All I hope for is that Sheedy finds a way to associate in a positive way with Kickett sometime, somewhere in the future.
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Sheedy has already said a number of times that it was one of the toughest decisions he has made and it still hurts him the way it turned out.
He has said he would like to sit down with Kickett and try to sort it out but Kickett has refused so far. He has also said he understands Dereks position on it so he has to live with whatever decision Kickett makes on it.
 
Longy413 said:
Kickett made it very clear, and still does that he doesn't want to speak to Sheedy.

Despite any effort he made, the result would have been the same. Sheedy did phone his house the morning of the GF and spoke to Kickett's mother.

Dropping Kickett was the right decision, the bloke just couldn't handle the pressure of finals footy. His time at Sydney further proved that point.

Also worth noting that there is not one quote in that article, it is someone else's opinion.
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Have to agree with you there, his last notable performance in the red n black was the 8 goal effort against the Dogs. Throughout the entire finals series, he barely troubled the statisticians. Harsh to drop him it may seem, but the runs werent on the board for the next 3 weeks. If anything, I think a handball to Watson senior for a goal was the last highlight I can remember from Kickett.
 
Karlostj said:
Even if we were vying for a win in the finals, I'd say that Rioli would probably have more of an impact then Jolley...

I'd be surprised if a guy that has played 3 games of footy would get choosen over a guy that has proven himself to be an impressive talent over a number of years.... Personally I'd take the risk that he'd get through the game unscathed.

After all, Jolley had about 4 kicks last week, not an immense task to have a similar contribution level...
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The key difference is Jolley isnt injured, isnt carrying any history of soft tissues injuries and quite frankly has much more match fitness in him. If Rioli had some games under his belt and were to come through unscathed...sure, Id select him. However, under his current lack of form, game time, lack of fitness and not to mention no fitness base whatsoever....Id stick with Jolley.
 
Crave said:
The key difference is Jolley isnt injured, isnt carrying any history of soft tissues injuries and quite frankly has much more match fitness in him. If Rioli had some games under his belt and were to come through unscathed...sure, Id select him. However, under his current lack of form, game time, lack of fitness and not to mention no fitness base whatsoever....Id stick with Jolley.
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Heres an interesting question for you. Give him his two games so he can retire and his spot goes to a young bloke next year or dont play him and he is still on the list for next season looking to play on?
Of course he may well want to play on anyway which will make the above question rather frivolous :D
 

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ant555 said:
Heres an interesting question for you. Give him his two games so he can retire and his spot goes to a young bloke next year or dont play him and he is still on the list for next season looking to play on?
Of course he may well want to play on anyway which will make the above question rather friolous :D
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Thats just it though, if he were to have a good rest and think things through...he may very well decide to have one more go. Hirdy was swayed into playing on after almost certainly retiring in his own mind. If he were to choose to play on, Id hope he puts in a big pre season filled with low impact, high intensity cardio sessions to recitify his physical state.
 
ant555 said:
Sheedy has already said a number of times that it was one of the toughest decisions he has made and it still hurts him the way it turned out.
He has said he would like to sit down with Kickett and try to sort it out but Kickett has refused so far. He has also said he understands Dereks position on it so he has to live with whatever decision Kickett makes on it.
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Fair enough, hopefully the right opportunity arises one day.
 
Crave said:
Thats just it though, if he were to have a good rest and think things through...he may very well decide to have one more go. Hirdy was swayed into playing on after almost certainly retiring in his own mind. If he were to choose to play on, Id hope he puts in a big pre season filled with low impact, high intensity cardio sessions to recitify his physical state.
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This is where i think you are being too harsh on the man. He has absolutely wasted a good part of his career because of his poor preperation and habits but to say he hasnt had a real crack in the last two years is wrong. He has done plenty of low impact cardio work but the fact has been he has get on the track at some stage and his knee has given in twice this year. Lets face it he is never going to be a small man and currently even though he has his diet and off field work going well he simply hasnt been able to stay on the training track long enough to get close to peak fitness.
I have seen a lot of the goings on around the club in the last three years close up and it irks me a little to see people say he still has the same habits he had 4 years ago when they are discusing him now. His problems getting fit now have nothing to do with current bad habits. You can add to this his current run of knee and hammy injuries can be atributed to an old injury to his knee that wasnt corrected propely.
I have no probs with people saying he is a wasted tallent because a lot of his carrer he has wasted it but even though he has had minimal results in the last two years i can tell you he has put in a huge effort to get it right.
 
Crave said:
Have to agree with you there, his last notable performance in the red n black was the 8 goal effort against the Dogs. Throughout the entire finals series, he barely troubled the statisticians. Harsh to drop him it may seem, but the runs werent on the board for the next 3 weeks. If anything, I think a handball to Watson senior for a goal was the last highlight I can remember from Kickett.
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It is very easy to dismiss someone like a Kickett on the basis of possessions or stats alone. He was one of those rare individuals who could produce a miracle goal. In the 1993 round 17 game against Carlton he had 3 kicks and 3 goals. Is that good or bad?
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
It is very easy to dismiss someone like a Kickett on the basis of possessions or stats alone. He was one of those rare individuals who could produce a miracle goal. In the 1993 round 17 game against Carlton he had 3 kicks and 3 goals. Is that good or bad?
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History shows he did nothing after round 20 that year. I agree in the blink of an eye, something special could occur, but the facts remain nothing did after that memorable game. Only need to remember Adrian McAdam...60+ goals in his debut year. The opposition learnt his game, injuries, poor form...he was gone almost as quickly as he burst onto the scene. Cupido could also be classed in that same category...flashy, load of flair. The club waited a further 2 years to see if his form and attitude would turn around. He's gone too!
 
ant555 said:
This is where i think you are being too harsh on the man. He has absolutely wasted a good part of his career because of his poor preperation and habits but to say he hasnt had a real crack in the last two years is wrong. He has done plenty of low impact cardio work but the fact has been he has get on the track at some stage and his knee has given in twice this year. Lets face it he is never going to be a small man and currently even though he has his diet and off field work going well he simply hasnt been able to stay on the training track long enough to get close to peak fitness.
I have seen a lot of the goings on around the club in the last three years close up and it irks me a little to see people say he still has the same habits he had 4 years ago when they are discusing him now. His problems getting fit now have nothing to do with current bad habits. You can add to this his current run of knee and hammy injuries can be atributed to an old injury to his knee that wasnt corrected propely.
I have no probs with people saying he is a wasted tallent because a lot of his carrer he has wasted it but even though he has had minimal results in the last two years i can tell you he has put in a huge effort to get it right.
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I dont recall anywhere in my post mentioning that he hasnt had a crack. What I am saying that is if he were to attempt to prove to himself he can still handle the rigours of senior football, he would have to work harder than ever before. If you owe yourself one more chance, one cant simply continue like it has been and expect things to turn around.
 
Crave said:
History shows he did nothing after round 20 that year. I agree in the blink of an eye, something special could occur, but the facts remain nothing did after that memorable game. Only need to remember Adrian McAdam...60+ goals in his debut year. The opposition learnt his game, injuries, poor form...he was gone almost as quickly as he burst onto the scene. Cupido could also be classed in that same category...flashy, load of flair. The club waited a further 2 years to see if his form and attitude would turn around. He's gone too!
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Saying he did nothing is very harsh. It may be that he took out a key defender and freed someone else up. He was always capable of producing, even if he didn't always produce.

In 1993 he kicked 38 goals, behind only Salmon and Bewick.
In 1994 he kicked 29 goals, behind only Minton-Connell and Lewis.
In 1995 he kicked 26, behind only Lockett.
In 1996 he kicked 18, behind Lockett, O'Brien, O'Loughlin and Luff

He got to play in a GF at Sydney, something Essendon players could not do in 1994-6.
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
It is very easy to dismiss someone like a Kickett on the basis of possessions or stats alone.
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Just like you've done on Flood, Hills and Wallis.

Hird rates Wallis as one of our most important players in both Premierships.
 

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