Retired #43: Dean Rioli - 100 and out

Should Rioli take the rest of the season off?

  • Yes, bring him on next year!

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • No, get your 100 and say goodbye.

    Votes: 13 65.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

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Longy413 said:
Just like you've done on Flood, Hills and Wallis.

Hird rates Wallis as one of our most important players in both Premierships.
You were pumping Flood, not me or Sheedy ;)

I always liked Wallis too. That's why I nominated Hills earlier.

Both Flood and Hills did bugger all after 1993. What more proof do you need?
 

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Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Both Flood and Hills did bugger all after 1993. What more proof do you need?

That means bugger all, neither did Watson.

Bewick did bugger all after 2000. He retired.

What does post-1993 have to do with 1993?

Hills was pretty handy in 1993.
 
Longy413 said:
What does post-1993 have to do with 1993?
Are you thick, in denial, or both?

Kickett played 3 more good seasons in Sydney, including being in the team which knocked Essendon out of the grand final race in 1996. He should have been selected for the Bombers in the 1993 GF. The person he should have replaced Hills did bugger all after 1993. So did Flood, who you pumping up for.

The point is if Kickett had been played in the 1993 GF then Essendon would have still won, he would have contributed well for them in 1994-6 and may have helped them win the comp in 1996. Shock, horror :eek:
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Are you thick, in denial, or both?

Neither, you're making a statement after the fact.

Hindsight.

Kevin Sheedy and the selection committee had no idea what Hills would do post-1993. You can't predict injuries. They had no idea Kickett would walk out, Flood didn't walk out, Symonds didn't walk out.

What happened post-1993 has absolutely nothing to do the decision that was made for the 1993 GF.

I'd be horrified if a side was selected for the GF based on what was going to happen in the future. That's not how you do things.

You pick the side that is going to win you the game and in this case Derek Kickett could not handle the pressure of finals football and Paul Hills and Tim Watson were in better form.

There is no way of telling we would have won or lost if Kickett played. Making that presumption is subjective and has nothing to do with the decision itself.

And I'm not pumping Flood up, I'm just suggesting that the only reason Flood is a non-issue is because he didn't walk.

The decision that was made was the correct one. The way it was handled could have been done better. But what happened after that is completely irrelevant.

Barry Young was our last pick prior to the 1994 season. A pick we may not have had if Kickett was still on our list. He was pretty handy for us.
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Saying he did nothing is very harsh. It may be that he took out a key defender and freed someone else up. He was always capable of producing, even if he didn't always produce.

In 1993 he kicked 38 goals, behind only Salmon and Bewick.
In 1994 he kicked 29 goals, behind only Minton-Connell and Lewis.
In 1995 he kicked 26, behind only Lockett.
In 1996 he kicked 18, behind Lockett, O'Brien, O'Loughlin and Luff

He got to play in a GF at Sydney, something Essendon players could not do in 1994-6.


His time at sydney is irrelevant to what we're discussing here for starters. He wasnt effective at all through the final 4 weeks of his time at Essendon.
Sure, he kicked some goals and went onto play well enough in the Harbour City...he may very well have done that IF he had've continued with us, but he chose to walk away from the club. End of story.
 
Longy413 said:
Neither, you're making a statement after the fact.

Hindsight.

Kevin Sheedy and the selection committee had no idea what Hills would do post-1993. You can't predict injuries. They had no idea Kickett would walk out, Flood didn't walk out, Symonds didn't walk out.

What happened post-1993 has absolutely nothing to do the decision that was made for the 1993 GF.

I'd be horrified if a side was selected for the GF based on what was going to happen in the future. That's not how you do things.

You pick the side that is going to win you the game and in this case Derek Kickett could not handle the pressure of finals football and Paul Hills and Tim Watson were in better form.

There is no way of telling we would have won or lost if Kickett played. Making that presumption is subjective and has nothing to do with the decision itself.

And I'm not pumping Flood up, I'm just suggesting that the only reason Flood is a non-issue is because he didn't walk.

The decision that was made was the correct one. The way it was handled could have been done better. But what happened after that is completely irrelevant.

Barry Young was our last pick prior to the 1994 season. A pick we may not have had if Kickett was still on our list. He was pretty handy for us.

Thank you!!
 
Longy413 said:
You've changed your tune ;)

He might play anyway.

Cheers! haha Well, Ive had time to think things through, and Id still defend Pev if I thought it was warranted. Probably the key difference here is Jolley vs Rioli in forming my argument. Otherwise, Im dirty Jolley is being dropped for Rioli who is capable of producing, but not being able to predict IF he will produce. Its pretty much 2 weeks that Jolley will never get back in terms of his development late in the year.
Hope he proves me wrong as it will only benefit us and the result for us.
 
Longy413 said:
Just to fill you in, Stander has never agreed with any decision Kevin Sheedy has made, ever.

He's one of those supporters that jumps aboard the sack Sheedy bandwagon every time we have a poor season. Anything he says about Sheedy should be taken with a grain of salt.
Ah, so it wasn't wrong.

Incorrect Pal, refer to 15 July post re Andy Lovett. I have never got off the EFC bandwagon but believe Sheedy should have been sacked years ago.
 
Crave said:
he chose to walk away from the club

Try "got shafted", "wiped like a dirty rag" or "was drop punted". After playing all the games in 1993 and being left out of the GF side in the manner he was what did you expect Kickett to do?

If the same treatment was applied to Sheedy as a coach he would no longer be at the club. Most impartial observers are fully aware that Sheedy is now past his use-by date.

Talk about blind faith and double standards.
 
Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Try "got shafted", "wiped like a dirty rag" or "was drop punted". After playing all the games in 1993 and being left out of the GF side in the manner he was what did you expect Kickett to do?

If the same treatment was applied to Sheedy as a coach he would no longer be at the club. Most impartial observers are fully aware that Sheedy is now past his use-by date.

Talk about blind faith and double standards.


If it hadn't have been the GF, he hadnt touched it in almost 5 weeks...would your argument change?
 

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Jumpin' Jimmy said:
Try "got shafted", "wiped like a dirty rag" or "was drop punted". After playing all the games in 1993 and being left out of the GF side in the manner he was what did you expect Kickett to do?

If the same treatment was applied to Sheedy as a coach he would no longer be at the club. Most impartial observers are fully aware that Sheedy is now past his use-by date.

Talk about blind faith and double standards.

I guess if we're bringing up coaches, 'stability' wouldn't be a word often associated down at Punt Road, hey ;)
 
Dermie paid out big time on Rioli last night suggesting it was the equvilant of one less player.
He said his perception of football had been changed for ever ,when a clearly big, fat, unfit ,unprepaired player,who cant get a kick in the twos, can get a senior game in the modern era. He then praised Sheedy for having the guts to do it.
 
Hawk Dork said:
Dermie paid out big time on Rioli last night suggesting it was the equvilant of one less player.
He said his perception of football had been changed for ever ,when a clearly big, fat, unfit ,unprepaired player,who cant get a kick in the twos, can get a senior game in the modern era. He then praised Sheedy for having the guts to do it.

Derm acted like an absolute spud. It was disgusting.

Rioli was far from our worst last night.
 
Derm obviously hasnt been reading the papers about Sheedy's endeavour to get him to 100 games. Despite this, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Rioli make some decent little cameos last night.
 
Hawk Dork said:
Dermie paid out big time on Rioli last night suggesting it was the equvilant of one less player.
He said his perception of football had been changed for ever ,when a clearly big, fat, unfit ,unprepaired player,who cant get a kick in the twos, can get a senior game in the modern era. He then praised Sheedy for having the guts to do it.

Great move for Sheedy getting rioli to his 100 games.:thumbsu:
The real issue is all the years he has been allowed to play in that disgraceful condition.:thumbsdown:
 
Merv Neagle said:
Great move for Sheedy getting rioli to his 100 games.:thumbsu:
The real issue is all the years he has been allowed to play in that disgraceful condition.:thumbsdown:

he has clearly never played an AFL game in that physical conditio before.

why is everyone paying out on him.....its clear to see he is not up to AFL level, but he didnt go that bad.
The highlights they showed today on the sunday footy show, portraying his night as a disgrace and hopeless were all a joke. with the ball 30cm from the boundary and a player on his toe what can he do, and the other bit of vision wasnt his fault at all, it was the poor foot skills of one of our players.

I expected far far less from him last night
 
koc#41 said:
he has clearly never played an AFL game in that physical conditio before./quote]

He has never played one game in the sort of condition an AFL footballer should present himself in.
I have never questioned his talent, as he has it to burn, just that imagine what it could of been.
 
koc#41 said:
he has clearly never played an AFL game in that physical conditio before./quote]

He has never played one game in the sort of condition an AFL footballer should present himself in.
I have never questioned his talent, as he has it to burn, just that imagine what it could of been.
 

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