Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 11: Just Biden His Time

[ShanDog]

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Thanks.

 

[Financialpanther]

If The Don gets a second term and some clear air he will drain the filthy thing.

Don will get a second term and no he won’t.

 

[bourbons]

You are a wonderful example of the smart dumb guy.

Better than being a dumb dumb guy I guess

Trump has achieved exactly what he set out to do and that is hurt Biden. He probably didn't expect an impeachment but the price of impeachment has only increased the effectiveness of the harm to Biden. The Hunter Burisma Biden thing is not going away, unless Biden doesn't win the DNC nomination - in part because of this issue. But if he were to get the nomination, is there any doubt Hunter's role will be mentioned in each debate? It matters not a hoot how debunked you or your QC wisdom might believe it to be - it will still destroy Biden.

Agree - that's kinda the whole point. Again, if you accept this, I'm not really sure why you've taken the position you have.

Like I said to another poster, you can have an issue with the rules. I'm just not sure that because you don't like them they shouldn't apply. I think this particular set of events would set a fairly dangerous precedent if unchallenged.

Politics is the art of perception and persuasion. Perception is reality. The idea that the truth in this kind of matter exists is naive. All that matters is the appearance of it. Hunter $1million year as a board member for the corrupt Burisma. Joe extorts removal of prosecutor replaces him with a guy without any legal background who doesn't prosecute Burisma but absolves them. That is all that matters everything else is defence, mitigation and in an election it spells death.

I mean, only if you swallow the narrative that Shokin was removed primarily for anything to do with Burisma at all. I and more recently RegHickeyStand have provided information which clearly shows that wasn't the case.

I believe your antipathy towards me is underpinned by an ardent and earnest search for the truth. Therefore you struggle to understand the more cynical and nuanced reality of events. It is to your credit that you don't appreciate how the political landscape is totally contaminated. You are a better person for it, but it also means you are distracted by veneer matters, irrelevant glitter absorbs you and ergo you become the unwitting victim of the very unscrupulous forces in our political zeitgeist.

Trump's persona is terminally flawed if you measure him against the standards of common decency. On the other hand, if you consider the events of the previous 16 years prior to 2016; ignore the rhetoric and look squarely at our barbarism and paternalism towards weaker countries, at the erosion of basic decency at home, the insitutionalisation of corruption on a scale never previously imagined across the entire globe, then how much different is Trump, more or less?

I think the honest answer is not much, maybe, depending on your priorities, he is an improvement. But lets just go with more or less the same in practise.
If you've come this far, then the real question is why all this outrage if it's more or less the same?

And the answer to that question is truly the most interesting and fascinating part of the Trump phenomena. There lies the accessible truth and the way out from Trump to something better than the last 20 years. But his opponents and perhaps over half the population can not even contemplate such a question.

And so down and down we go. And in this climate nothing is more inevitable than either Trump will be re-elected or if the DNC were to defeat him, something worse than Trump must follow.

Umm thanks I guess lol. As I've said, personally I think this is a pretty dangerous precedent and I'm not sure why any previous sins of others justify what Trump attempted here.

I notice you've again moved to generalities while being unwilling or unable to address specific points I've posed around the call record and support of Shokin for example. I'd be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on big picture takes like the one above if you didn't do this.

 

[Underarm]

I'm not sure we can judge Trump too harshly. A qtr of the NFL clubs play no where near the place that they are named for...

 

[Andrew Birch]

Statistically Trump's lucky to find his arse with both hands

#obsessed

Obsessed much?

 

[yebiga]

Better than being a dumb dumb guy I guess



Agree - that's kinda the whole point. Again, if you accept this, I'm not really sure why you've taken the position you have.

Like I said to another poster, you can have an issue with the rules. I'm just not sure that because you don't like them they shouldn't apply. I think this particular set of events would set a fairly dangerous precedent if unchallenged.



I mean, only if you swallow the narrative that Shokin was removed primarily for anything to do with Burisma at all. I and more recently RegHickeyStand have provided information which clearly shows that wasn't the case.



Umm thanks I guess lol. As I've said, personally I think this is a pretty dangerous precedent and I'm not sure why any previous sins of others justify what Trump attempted here.

I notice you've again moved to generalities while being unwilling or unable to address specific points I've posed around the call record and support of Shokin for example. I'd be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on big picture takes like the one above if you didn't do this.

I believe I couldn’t have been more clear
Search for the truth in this is simply naive

 

[Chief]

The bit that got me with the

“for being assigned to take on Ukrainian corruption yet turning a blind eye to Burisma because his son was on the board making over a million dollars a year.”

statement, is the million dollars bit. What audience was Ernst playing to? For well connected lawyers in the corporate world that is not an unusual amount. Maybe she was targetting these people

Why, with just a million dollars he could become as rich as Trump!

 

[bourbons]

I believe I couldn’t have been more clear
Search for the truth in this is simply naive

I'm aware that's your big picture take - it's all the holes re: the granular stuff that makes up the whole that is the issue.

Wonderful fallback position though I must admit. Unable to make a rational point on some specifics - simply walk away saying what does it matter, everything is bullshit anyway.

 

[Deaneus!]

Obsessed much?

Just like Trump*, accusing others of crimes they themselves are guilty of.

Funnily enough, I was discussing Trump* in the Trump* thread.

#obsessed


*Impeached

 

[Ned_Flanders]

How about after the Senate Intelligence Committee subpoenas him to testify?

No issue. My concern isn't political/partisan. It's someone getting a card potentially for a pretty meh post because admin take a conservative view on posting restricted info (e'en if it's available elsewhere)

If I wanted you censored I wouldnt be trying to stop getting you possibly carded ffs

 

[FredLeDeux]

No issue. My concern isn't political/partisan. It's someone getting a card potentially for a pretty meh post because admin take a conservative view on posting restricted info (e'en if it's available elsewhere)

If I wanted you censored I wouldnt be trying to stop getting you possibly carded ffs

You're crazy

 

[FredLeDeux]

Statistically Trump's lucky to find his arse with both hands

#obsessed

And really, all he has to do is follow the sound of his voice

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You're crazy

It's happened before. We had the same.shit about Pell and had to talk in code remember

 

[FredLeDeux]

It's happened before. We had the same.shit about Pell and had to talk in code remember

I was talking about your last sentence

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I was talking about your last sentence

Ah, that's because I was replying to wa roo who thinks everything I post is my left wing agenda fuelled by Soros manufactured contrails polluting my brain

 

[Les Malone]

ah, I see you’re still upset about being called out.

don’t worry, you’re a compensatory narcissist not malignant.

You would know.

The left always projects what it is on others, you are a perfect example.

Carry on petal.

 

[WA ROO]

agenda fuelled by Soros manufactured contrails polluting my brain

Somewhere Proccy is yelling"why won't cherrf let me post"

BTW it is WA ROO

 

[Night Train]

So are the Senate giving out new pens for Trump's acquittal?

 

[Substance]

Scary that so little of the discussion here relates to Trump allowing landmines to be used by the US military once again.
It's a true horror, not that I expect any of his fans to dare criticise the decision.

Recent rise in landmine casualty rates is a ‘disturbing trend’

Nearly 6,900 people were killed or injured by landmines last year, with improvised mines responsible for over half of all victims - a record.

www.swissinfo.ch

Meh, every trumper here is tfg. Why do you even bother, there is no coherent ideology to argue against. It's literally "everything trump does is great and anyone who says otherwise has tds".

 

[DAlembert]

Meh, every trumper here is tfg. Why do you even bother, there is no coherent ideology to argue against. It's literally "everything trump does is great and anyone who says otherwise has tds".

Ideology died a long time ago. It might be coming back, bout time. Not everything Trump does is great but it is certainly better than having another Clinton thrust upon us. Draining the swamp as they say , well the swamp is not going away without a fight just the same!

 

[Les Malone]

GOP senator warns Republicans could impeach Biden if he wins White House

Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) told Bloomberg on Sunday that the House’s impeachment of President Trump had opened the door to impeaching former Vice President Joe Biden should he be elected preside…

thehill.com

 

[yebiga]

I'm aware that's your big picture take - it's all the holes re: the granular stuff that makes up the whole that is the issue.

Wonderful fallback position though I must admit. Unable to make a rational point on some specifics - simply walk away saying what does it matter, everything is bullshit anyway.

It’s a bit more nuanced Than that

I suspect our differences come from us seeking moral justice on two different levels.

To me your obsessed with the individual subjects morality. After the Bush Cheney years I’ve come to believe all this moral outrage is cheap posturing.

For me that’s not a concern, Im looking at the moral justice on a cultural level.

Ever since 2001 and our descent into madness with wars on terror, torture, Corruption and so much more, I’ve been waiting for the cultural comeuppance.

This is not some spiritual karmic thing. It’s entirely a secular psychological perspective.

more akin to Russian french revolutionary forces

The GFC was kind of a comeuppance but then we lied fudged and kicked the can down the road. And when Obama, who had a big mandate, caved to the prevailing evil, something like Trump became inevitable.

Trumps win should have been cause for serious introspection. Instead it’s been a global tantrum.

until that hard introspective work is conducted by the leadership of the dnc or the msm this nightmare will only get worse not better. It can’t go anywhere else.

and when it inevitably is, the entire farce will collapse virtually over night. In other words, Trump is like a projection to avoid facing our issues. We can blame everything on him.

 

[Chief]

It’s a bit more nuanced Than that

I suspect our differences come from us seeking moral justice on two different levels.

To me your obsessed with the individual subjects morality. After the Bush Cheney years I’ve come to believe all this moral outrage is cheap posturing.

For me that’s not a concern, Im looking at the moral justice on a cultural level.

Ever since 2001 and our descent into madness with wars on terror, torture, Corruption and so much more, I’ve been waiting for the cultural comeuppance.

This is not some spiritual karmic thing. It’s entirely a secular psychological perspective.

more akin to Russian french revolutionary forces

The GFC was kind of a comeuppance but then we lied fudged and kicked the can down the road. And when Obama, who had a big mandate, caved to the prevailing evil, something like Trump became inevitable.

Trumps win should have been cause for serious introspection. Instead it’s been a global tantrum.

until that hard introspective work is conducted by the leadership of the dnc or the msm this nightmare will only get worse not better. It can’t go anywhere else.

and when it inevitably is, the entire farce will collapse virtually over night. In other words, Trump is like a projection to avoid facing our issues. We can blame everything on him.

You act as if you think Trump was some sort of just retribution?

He and his people scammed the holy **** out of the place. He’s not some new direction, he’s what you would call a country hitting rock bottom.

It’s not like he swept in as some sort of pure saviour. He’a a total con man with no morals or sane ideas.

 

[FredLeDeux]

GOP senator warns Republicans could impeach Biden if he wins White House

Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) told Bloomberg on Sunday that the House’s impeachment of President Trump had opened the door to impeaching former Vice President Joe Biden should he be elected preside…

thehill.com

There have been cases where officials have been impeached for acts done before they took office.

Not sure Trump will be thanking Ernst for opening that can of worms.

 

[Magruder]

You would know.

The left always projects what it is on others, you are a perfect example.

Carry on petal.

See that’s the thing, you are reduced to “no, you are”. You’ve even started using the epithets that triggered you so easily.

And i’m Not a lefty.

What a complete intellectual disappointment you are...

 

[DAlembert]

You act as if you think Trump was some sort of just retribution?

He and his people scammed the holy fu** out of the place. He’s not some new direction, he’s what you would call a country hitting rock bottom.

It’s not like he swept in as some sort of pure saviour. He’a a total con man with no morals or sane ideas.

I get you do not like Trump. But your emotional outburst is childish.