Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 9 - The Shi'ites Hit The Fan (Cont. in Part 10, see OP)

[Magruder]

On that score, Trump has been the best Democrat president since FDR. Neutered the neocons, neutered the Paul Ryan wing of the Republicans, meaning social security etc is safe. Sure he’s a little bit racist but unlike FDR he hasn’t put anyone in internment camps.

Just Mexican toddlers

 

[The Warlord]

Just Mexican toddlers

And FDR interned people after Japan launched a surprise attack on the Pacific Fleet.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Watch Bloomberg run as an independent if Warren gets the nomination. To ensure the Republicans win.

Insulated from the effects of Republicans policies, they calculate they can live with them than risk actual change.

He's jumped the gun then, wapo says he plans on filing in Alabama shortly

 

[its free real estate]

Well, he has.

Mandatory detention for illegal immigrants is fine imo. How else do you maintain borders?

 

[its free real estate]

And FDR interned people after Japan launched a surprise attack on the Pacific Fleet.

He interned people whose Japanese forbears has been in the US since the 1860s.

 

[The Warlord]

He's jumped the gun then, wapo says he plans on filing in Alabama shortly

Yeah, he'll try for the Democratic nomination and if he doesn't get it, he'll run spoiler.

 

[its free real estate]

Watch Bloomberg run as an independent if Warren gets the nomination. To ensure the Republicans win.

Insulated from the effects of Republicans policies, they calculate they can live with them than risk actual change.

It’s a way for the billionaire class to support Trump without having the taint of supporting Trump. Brilliant!

 

[The Warlord]

Mandatory detention for illegal immigrants is fine imo. How else do you maintain borders?

Mandatory detention for anyone suspected of aiding the enemy is fine imo. How else to you win wars?

I get you wouldn't have been on the Allied side in WWII though.

 

[The Warlord]

It’s a way for the billionaire class to support Trump without having the taint of supporting Trump. Brilliant!

Precisely. Shifty little prick Buttigieg will play this role later on, 2024/28.

 

[its free real estate]

Mandatory detention for anyone suspected of aiding the enemy is fine imo. How else to you win wars?

I agree, but where were you in advocating that for Islamists?

I get you wouldn't have been on the Allied side in WWII though.

Woke retconning means the Allies were as bad as the Nazis

 

[The Warlord]

On that score, Trump has been the best Democrat president since FDR. Neutered the neocons, neutered the Paul Ryan wing of the Republicans, meaning social security etc is safe. Sure he’s a little bit racist but unlike FDR he hasn’t put anyone in internment camps.

Only after passing their dream tax cut package, thus consigning the US budget to eternal mega-debt that will be used as the wedge to cut social security when the boomer voting bloc die off.

 

[its free real estate]

Precisely. Shifty little prick Buttigieg will play this role later on, 2024/28.

His dad is the worlds leading Gramscian, and Lil Pete will take a long flamboyant parade through the institutions.

 

[bourbons]

He was advocating a law that would have allowed the killing of babies

Severely deformed or non-viable babies. Kinda an important distinction there.

This pretence you blokes seem to have that people are aborting full term healthy babies coz they've changed their minds at the last minute or something is utterly bizarre

 

[its free real estate]

Only after passing their dream tax cut package, thus consigning the US budget to eternal mega-debt that will be used as the wedge to cut social security when the boomer voting bloc die off.

By that time the US will be 50% Hispanic who will vote Democrat for a generation, until a Latino chauvinist hard-right Republican is elected and brings in death squads to clean up widespread disorder and decay.

 

[The Warlord]

I agree, but where were you in advocating that for Islamists?

If you pull you finger out of your hole and stop trying to play this game, you'd have read my posts on the matter.

My view on what should be done with jihadists is along the lines of how Assad and the Russians deal with them.

 

[bourbons]

Seems like an easy win for the Dems then. Why not call him as a witness?

yeah, coz he'd obviously turn up

rofl

 

[Maggie5]

Soros is involved in this, Epstein isn't. There is no debate whether Soros wants to take down Trump and there is no debate that he has had his evil tentacles in the corrupt areas of Ukraine for some time now. You can only argue how involved in matters relative to this impeachment inquiry and how evil he is.
So any associations to Soros are relevant. Associations to Epstein are not relevant because there is no impeachment inquiry about Trump with underage girls.

Read the testimonies. (have fun with the 300 odd pages of Marie Yovanovitch's as I did).
& please use some common sense and be sceptical when any person changes their story eg. Lutsenko, Sonders ... especially when powerful forces are at play.
As I said, you don't simply believe Amy Robach's (ABC reporter) walk back statement about her Epstein leaked video. That's was obviously demanded by the ABC.
Those giving testimony against Trump know they have far more to lose than Robach has, given the powerful players involved in this.
They have no reason to fear Trump. The deep state protects the Clintons, Obamas and their administrations.

All said and done, we have different biases and beliefs. But I have the hindsight of my belief that the Russia Mueller investigation was a political witch hunt. History shows this impeachment is most likely just another political witch hunt. Even the instigation for this inquiry is just the same politically motivated junk as the Mueller investigation. That is, a fake dossier, now we have a fake anonymous whistleblower (whose attorney has publicly shown they are a never Trumper). But that doesn't matter to the never Trumper brainwashed with sounds of Impeach.
Do you even know who you want to be President instead of Trump? Your opinions of Trump aside, is the world and the US really that bad since Trump has taken office?

You appear to be hung up on Yovanovitch and Soros, what about the testimonies/transcripts from the following do they too have doubtful relationships?

Sondland - Trump donor and appointee recently updated his statement not due to anything other than the threat of perjury and not some conspiracy.
Kent
McKinley
Vindman - yet to be released
Volker

The whistleblower is not fake, he/she exists. What you may doubt is that the whistleblower's testimony may be fake but they were checked (Inspector General?) and found to have merit which is why the hearing now exists and the witnesses seem to be corroborating more of the whistle blowers claims.

Not sure why you can't have an open mind on this until all evidence is heard. Further if this is a 'nothing burger' or 'nothing to see her', why is Trump stopping people from attending the hearing. If innocent - why not let it all come out?

 

[The Warlord]

By that time the US will be 50% Hispanic who will vote Democrat for a generation, until a Latino chauvinist hard-right Republican is elected and brings in death squads to clean up widespread disorder and decay.

By that time more likely the US has broken up.

 

[The Warlord]

THE EVIL TENTACLES OF GEORGE SOROS.

Straight up from Der Sturmer.

 

[bourbons]

Where's the high crime?

You can't be posting like you do here and actually be this clueless, can you? High crime is not the standard for impeachment.

**** me drunk

 

[Maggie5]

Rent a Crowd? Maybe that is why I saw a clip of people leaving earlier, no overtime.

 

[bourbons]

Soros is involved in this, Epstein isn't. There is no debate whether Soros wants to take down Trump and there is no debate that he has had his evil tentacles in the corrupt areas of Ukraine for some time now. You can only argue how involved in matters relative to this impeachment inquiry and how evil he is.
So any associations to Soros are relevant. Associations to Epstein are not relevant because there is no impeachment inquiry about Trump with underage girls.

Hmm ok, I would say its the same principle and you're simply not applying it consistently out of convinience, but for the sake of argument - you'll still have to show something more concrete than the mere mention of his name and activities in Ukraine that connects him to Yovanovitch. Please address the workplace example - knowing someone dodgy at some stage in the past is simply not reasonable grounds for dismissal. Agree or not?

Read the testimonies. (have fun with the 300 odd pages of Marie Yovanovitch's as I did).
& please use some common sense and be sceptical when any person changes their story eg. Lutsenko, Sonders ... especially when powerful forces are at play.
As I said, you don't simply believe Amy Robach's (ABC reporter) walk back statement about her Epstein leaked video. That's was obviously demanded by the ABC.
Those giving testimony against Trump know they have far more to lose than Robach has, given the powerful players involved in this.
They have no reason to fear Trump. The deep state protects the Clintons, Obamas and their administrations.

Will do, sounds like it'll be awhile before I get back to you.

All said and done, we have different biases and beliefs. But I have the hindsight of my belief that the Russia Mueller investigation was a political witch hunt. History shows this impeachment is most likely just another political witch hunt. Even the instigation for this inquiry is just the same politically motivated junk as the Mueller investigation. That is, a fake dossier, now we have a fake anonymous whistleblower (whose attorney has publicly shown they are a never Trumper). But that doesn't matter to the never Trumper brainwashed with sounds of Impeach.
Do you even know who you want to be President instead of Trump? Your opinions of Trump aside, is the world and the US really that bad since Trump has taken office?

Exactly - you view the Russia investigation as totally unjustified despite there being obvious, public triggers (firing Comey for example) without which there likely wouldn't have been an SC investigation at all. You think the whole thing was an exercise to impeach Trump and don't acknowledge anything Trump himself did to contribute to it. So obviously when the Ukraine stuff comes along, your thought process is here we go again.

Thing is mate, its patently obvious that there is more to this than the Russia stuff. The whistleblower himself is largely irrelevant at this point - actions that are absolutely worthy of investigation have been confirmed by multiple with firsthand knowledge, some of them Trump supporters and appointees (I look forward to describing these people as "Trump holdovers" at some stage in the future ). Its quite simply not "just the same", many republicans have acknowledged their concerns while still not being supportive of the process.

Been mentioned a few times in this thread now - that a few people got a bit excited and started talking impeachment before Trump was even sworn in, and that an investigation was run that didn't find him personally liable - thats not a blanket pass to just dismiss everything he does from that point on.

As far as who I want - can't think of many from either party at the moment. Like the look of Tulsi Gabbard but probably don't know enough about her and she's obviously not getting within cooee anyway. As far as the US goes, you'll need to be a bit more specific - there's good and bad. Economy looks strong, no idea if that will continue. Healthcare is in even worse shape than previously though. Same with Trump really, I think he's done some good (overall foregin policy and intervention), probably more bad though - I do wonder what his legacy will be, already done irrepairable damage to the 4th estate IMO. Yeah there are poor outlets, always have been - but not all and sundry like he paints it, which he does for nothing more than his own personal interests.

As I've said a few times, I mainly engage with this thread for the laughs and tend to call out utter bullsh1t when I see it. And boy oh boy wowee, there has been quite an abundance of bullsh1t lately. Must be said, I also quite enjoy seeing massive w@nkers coming a cropper

 

[Balls In]

So if walls dont work why have humans built them for all of time? Its as dumb as that argument that turning back boats wont work.

 

[PurpleEyes]

You appear to be hung up on Yovanovitch and Soros, what about the testimonies/transcripts from the following do they too have doubtful relationships?

Sondland - Trump donor and appointee recently updated his statement not due to anything other than the threat of perjury and not some conspiracy.
Kent
McKinley
Vindman - yet to be released
Volker

The whistleblower is not fake, he/she exists. What you may doubt is that the whistleblower's testimony may be fake but they were checked (Inspector General?) and found to have merit which is why the hearing now exists and the witnesses seem to be corroborating more of the whistle blowers claims.

Not sure why you can't have an open mind on this until all evidence is heard. Further if this is a 'nothing burger' or 'nothing to see her', why is Trump stopping people from attending the hearing. If innocent - why not let it all come out?

Maggie, we've heard it all before.

We've heard the parrotted questions from the never Trumpers ... What about the testimonies? What about what Trump has done?
It's all vague subjective heresay ... and sensationalised propaganda by the Fake News MSM who have been trying to impeach Trump from the day he was elected.

If not, please give me your best evidence, best bit of any of the 100's of pages of testimony so far that is evidence that Trump has done something 'peachworthy. While you're at it, show me some Russia interference by Trump's campaign staff too.

Meanwhile back in the real world, from what I understand, President Zelensky wasn't even aware of aid being held, has said there was no quid pro quo and wants to investigate prior corruptions including Biden/Burisma ... which is the core of why we are having this discussion ... the Dems are scared of what the new Ukraine Pres will find, so just like Russia, just like Soros and antisemitism, make the topic of Ukraine corruption untouchable before it even gets looked at.

 

[blackcat]

Last thing the country needs is another billionaire in the White House.

Bloomberg is a legit billionaire however, sans literary flourish of Harold, femnist Wolf and Joyce

you mean an actual billionaire who created something of value (yes it was in banking but at least he made his own money)

This is a problem if runs as an independent.

he prolly takes #notMyPresident votes, he splits the ticket(well, he splits the votes) from the Dems, paradoxically, unlikely to take votes from the drys[sic] or Austrians on the right. That said my reply was gonna be similar to Magruder that he is a genuine monied fella. He will take less GoP votes paradoxically since Trump moved the needle on the traditional base.

Ephemeral switch once he leaves/left. And not that his policies were destined to aid flyover states. But the Dems started this by appealling to the wealthy coastal elites and Bill's Glass-Stegel, so they started courting banking donations, see: Carter, in American terms, not that wealthy post-Office of Pennsylvania Avenue. Clintons and Obama, rolling in it. #$$$ $$$$$$ #Benjamins

Zizek's measure on HRC was her putative constituentclass(es) as she lasoo'ed intersectionalists, bankers*, occupyWallStreet'ers, coastal elites&intellectualclass ...
.. lassoing such a base bound to atomise itself since it would be rent or cleaved on those luminal separation fractures, or, paradoxically, overt contradictory class demand.

Trump, thanks to Andrew Breitbart and Steve Bannon, adjusted this with a few tweaks, and ran with it too.

And sorry nouvelle vague JeanLucGoddard but a mediocre person and intellect like Trump gets reelected because of gross stupidity of the opposition, and failure of DNC and Clinton to do an honest auditing and accounting of the problems that beset the DNC. Ironically cos HRC and the Clintons were part of the problem. He won't be impeached, but Ralph Carr can also do a HRC Pied Piper strategy to get Punt Rd to match Arden and Errol in bids for Martin thinking you guys had Dusty's signature. nope.

edit: not NoamChomsky a'course I edited and entered Slovoj (i wrote, in replacing w my original intention )
Zizek
sorry mods