Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher (part 1)

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HirdyLannister said:
Carlisle will be forward, we aren't going to have a forward line with the only talls in a resting ruckman and a second year beanstalk.
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I was talking in regards of the three "ruckmen".
 

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HirdyLannister said:
I hope you are correct because Ill wear that egg with pride. If he averages 1 goal a game he is tracking on par, if he kicks 30+ in the season that will be outstanding imo.
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Fair enough. I'm backing him for 2 goals + per game. He would do worse than that but I expect them to drop him before he falls away too far later in the season
 
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HirdyLannister said:
I hope you are correct because Ill wear that egg with pride. If he averages 1 goal a game he is tracking on par, if he kicks 30+ in the season that will be outstanding imo.
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Actually, the one thing I really do anticipate from him is one or two big hauls early on. 6 or 7 goals once or twice against weaker opponents is a given in my book
 
HirdyLannister said:
I think you are expecting to much from him, I'll compare him to Nick Riewoldt who played 6 games his first season then played every game his second year. In 22 games he kicked 21 goals, if Derp does something similar he is tracking well.
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Not sure Riewoldt was played forward all the time that year. He took 7 marks a game on average so I will be cool if jd does the same playing forward.
The saints won 5 games that year so it is an unfair comparison on that front too.
 
hurlygurdy said:
Its interesting how many different theories can be put together. However, why have the lesser ruck play the position more, while the best ruck in the team covers the position of our best defender? There are 3 of our best players out of position in that scenario.
I'd rather they try to cover a position inadequately rather than pull everyone out of place. If you are happy with jd at chf, why play Carlisle forward as well? Tbc/Ryder and jd are all we need if they are in form. If they are not, swing Carlisle forward as required. I noticed Hurley saying he was enjoying playing back with Carlisle in training, so that indicates he will be at both ends.
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eth-dog said:
The way we do it is:

Paddy ruck 65%, forward 25%, bench 10% roughly
T-Bell ruck 35%, forward 55%, bench 10% roughly
JD ruck 0%*, forward 85%, bench 15% roughly

*Do forward line throw in's and ball-ups when one of the other two are on the bench
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Who's surprised about Carlisle forward? Or Ryder not being our number one ruckman? I'm not...
He earmarked Ryder, Joe Daniher and key defender Carlisle as key forwards, and said he planned to use some midfielders as part-time forwards.
Carlisle, who has trained as a key forward this summer, played some scintillating football as a swingman last year but battled when started as a key forward
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...y-2014-prospects/story-fni5f6kv-1226805298782
What I mention acouple of days ago is the most logical choice with our list, in a perfect world I would rather Hurley and Carlisle both in defence but our list doesn't allow that. Ryder is a better ruckman but he is also more versatile around the ground that TBC so that's why TBC will be rucking more.
 
JD will play over 15 games this season, barring major injury, he is more than ready and is going to learn his craft against the best backmen the league has to offer.. and those backmen should enjoy 'breaking even' with JD this year.. cause they won't be for long..

Having seen two training sessions live now.. watch out.. the boy is freakishly good, particularly at ground level (for his size)
 
HirdyLannister said:
Who's surprised about Carlisle forward? Or Ryder not being our number one ruckman? I'm not...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...y-2014-prospects/story-fni5f6kv-1226805298782
What I mention acouple of days ago is the most logical choice with our list, in a perfect world I would rather Hurley and Carlisle both in defence but our list doesn't allow that. Ryder is a better ruckman but he is also more versatile around the ground that TBC so that's why TBC will be rucking more.
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Looking back at the history of another "beanpole", Paul Salmon had two premierships to his name at the same age as JD will be playing next season (20 years old). Footy has changed, yada yada yada, my point is that he is ready to take marks and kick goals, whether or not that is in his best interest development wise is another issue. We can hold him back in an effort to keep him from injury until he puts on more bulk, but it will not be for a lack of adequacy as a forward if we do so.
Sorry to bang on about it, but I just cannot fathom how people think he is "not there yet". He is there, he is ready, he will terrorize the opposition until he runs out of steam. It took rare form from Gumby last season to hold him out (plus development policy). Nothing will be able to keep him out of the team this year.
Furthermore, it will be sweet seeing how opposition coaches react to him. They will want to treat him like a novice and back their men to stop him one on one. That is going last a very very short time. The result may well be that a plan gets put into place that manages to keep him quiet, but at what cost to defending against TBC, Licka, Chappy, Watson/Goddard etc? I think our structure is going to be formed around that fact from very early on in the season.
I'd like to see TBC playing more of the pack crashing role, while JD tries to find space. TBC takes a good contested mark already and i'm really hoping he is ready to take another leap as a forward. I see Carlisle purely as backup in case these two struggle.
 

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With Crameri and Gumby leaving and now TBC injured with only Chapman coming in, surely he is a guaranteed starter round 1?

Will we use him as a second ruckman to Ryder while TBC is injured or will they bring in another ruckman?
 
essendon2008 said:
With Crameri and Gumby leaving and now TBC injured with only Chapman coming in, surely he is a guaranteed starter round 1?

Will we use him as a second ruckman to Ryder while TBC is injured or will they bring in another ruckman?
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I agree Daniher to start round 1. I thought TBC will be back training again by Feb. I think he'll be ready round 1.
edit: my bad, that's 3 months not 3 weeks.
 
Duckworth said:
I agree Daniher to start round 1. I thought TBC will be back training again by Feb. I think he'll be ready round 1.
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Out for 3 months with ankle surgery
 
eth-dog said:
Probably, but may also go Steinberg who was apparently the most likely to fill Crameri's shoes
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I guess we'll find out soon. Gives them some extra incentive to put in a good pre-season.
 
I think JD was always going to play anyway, what is now set in stone is that Carlisle will play forward early in the year....had been flagged anyway but now no choice.

Any reason he couldn't help in the ruck? Probably more competitive there than JD at this stage.
 
daffo said:
With Belly out we really need Daniher to step up this year but I think I'm asking too much of a young kid.
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No you are not asking too much. He was barely kept out of the team by Gumby when Gumby was getting 12 marks and 25 touches a game in the VFL. Even then he was held back rather than out competed. Unless he goes backward from last year, then he will be plenty ready for AFL this year. Also he doesn't need to set the world on fire, he just needs to attract a top defender and contribute to the forward structure. He will be fine...
 
Brace yourself.

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Reckon Daniher has a huge opportunity and Bellchambers must be worried. If Daniher plays really well early and is able to do the job as backup ruck, Bellchambers might find himself struggling to break back in immediately when fit, if the structure is working. Obviously he will get back in at some point.

Still struggling to see both playing with Ryder. Can't help but forcast some underserved vfl time for Bellchambers at times this year (probably Dainher at time as well). I think there is some chance this happens, Bellchambers gets understandably frustrated and leaves club.

Call me stupid but I just think this is some possibility.
 
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