Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

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I've spent way too long arguing with Truthers over the years to get into yet another circular argument with nothing learned on either end, so I'll just leave it with this before going back to my usual viewing.
Glacier said:
Donstuie

No, I didn't miss the point at all
Perhaps it is you who simply refuses to ask the questions that so many around the globe want answers to
Perhaps if you were a little less inclined to label those who do ask as crackpots and nutters etc, and actually thought if there was anything about the events of that time that don't add up, maybe you would surprise yourself a little
I think 3000 people and there families deserve that
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Of course there are things that don't add up. The event is unprecedented with many factors, not the least of which is a US Govt clearly having to cover it's arse as to how this happened on their watch. Would I like everything to be revealed, sure. Would revealing everything ruin careers, show clear holes in the US's ability to defend itself, and destroy global reputation of the US and its Govt, most definitely. Hence, the FULL story will never be revealed. The US Govt were caught with their pants down in a big way, and are keeping the full extent of their failure from public consumption, of this there is little doubt.

However, this =/= "OMG 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!ILLUMINATI!!!!!OMG!!!!!!1111". Anyone believing that deserve the titles of crackpot and nutters etc because they are exactly that. Baseless, blatantly untrue accusations without ANY evidence (grainy youtube videos with scary music or opinions of "scientists" with NO relevant expertise don't count) to back them up, using this tragedy to further their own agendas.

Talking about labelling, how about accusing anyone who follows the established evidence as people who "simply refuse to ask questions"? Rest assured we've asked those questions, and for the most part the answers have been delivered. Just because you don't like them (or they don't fit in with your own agenda) ain't our problem.

rayven said:
What are those facts you speak of?
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Too many to name, but you can find them. Just think of all those little details you've probably seen delivered by qualified people that examined the event and evidence up close, researched their findings based on existing and/or historical criteria, and released them to the public. You probably see them in your google searches but never click them.
 

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Donstuie

What you seem not to be taking into account are those who just ask legitimate questions
Now, for instance, ask yourself the following and then point to me where the answers to just these simple facts are, because I would love to know
Why did a whole in the pentagon not fit the size of the plane?
What happened to the engines?
How if it was so hot that the plane " melted" as official version states , were bodies then identified through DNA
How is it possible that black boxes cannot survive a crash yet a paper passport of a suspected hijacker can ?
Why was so much heavy wreckage found so far from the 93 crash site?
Why is it so that most of the id's of the hijackers themselves are in fact people who have come fwd since, very distressed yet very much alive, but in the eyes of the world still dead hijackers?
How did building 7 collapse?
Why were so many witnesses at all the events who's stories differ than the official account not given the same treatment as those who's testimony matches the official account?

Now spare me this truther crap please, I'm no more in the know than you purport to be
I'm not in any official group, nor am I very much interested and impressed by stories of illuminati or fake planes etc
I'm just someone who has read about the events, seen the location and as happens listened at that location to family members of lost loved ones who are there, day after day asking the same questions but getting no answers
If you want to join a discussion such as this, open your mind
If you come in calling everyone looney and truther etc and have no real interest in actually asking yourself some very uncomfortable questions, then really what's the point ?
Some simple questions are above for you, and before you go and answer with the " official " finding stuff, realise that it's the " official " findings themselves that raise the questions
 
I wonder how many people have the ability to digest this bit of information?

When Jill meager Dissapeared her mobile phone was tracked all the way to where she was buried and at the same time and on exactly the same route so was the guys mobile who was convicted of her murder.

Flight 93 and Flight 77 was tracked in a similar method ( topjars posted about his over a year ago )and it took about ten years worth of court proceeding to get that information released.

Evidently those airliners had a message system to update weather and stuff. Like mobiles they leave a signature where you can track the movements after the fact ,like what was done to meager and baileys mobile.

If what is reported about the path those airliners took is correct............
 
Donstuie said:
Rest assured we've asked those questions, and for the most part the answers have been delivered. Just because you don't like them (or they don't fit in with your own agenda) ain't our problem.
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Here's 2 that I mustve missed the answers too_O??

Why has NIST classified data that they used to make their computer animation of the WTC7 collapse? Would knowledge of how NIST believes the building collapsed really "jeopardise public safety" or actually rewrite the laws of physics?:rolleyes:

What was the reason for the trillions of $$ which the Pentagon announced lost on Sept 10th; are there public records into this accounting scandal?:D
 
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Only a 737 that crashed last nite in California. But, it shouldn't have wings according to the Americans scientific explanation of 9/11

But it does.


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GG said:
The pentagon damage is 100% consistent with missile damage, which can be seen in pictures of wars and attacks on ships.
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It's pathetic really. all the wars and all the death and suffering and waste of money that is justified on one mass lie...The people who believe the lie are unfortunately that much more pathetic...
 
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CG i must have 40 gig of pdf books on a hard drive from over the years
wouldnt even know half the stuff i have anymore

kinda leaned away from all the 'conspiracy' stuff over the last 5 or 6 years
certain subjects still hold interest

i used to speak to a couple of people that helped Watt a bit
one used to translate his stuff for him on his website
 
If you can put up 49 gig on a secure server for select people to log in and download thatd be swell.

Likewise I dont daily still get into many conspiracy info like I used to, as deep down for 911 for instance I know its established and 99% likely. But always still keen to read a few things here and there still.
 
Wow that video was awesome.

Particularly where he notes all the long debunked factoids such as molten steel, remote controlled aeroplanes etc.

His claim to have hard evidence in his possession remains just that - a claim. Why not release this evidence to back up his claims?

Oh he's dead ... (Queue "he knew too much" strange deaths argument)

From just watching the video It appears more likely that his belief that 911 was an inside job comes from his incredulity at US defences being thwarted backed up by regurgitated pseudo-proofs and copy book Truther nonsense.


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topjars said:
Remember today that three towers fell not two
http://www.wtc7.net/
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Plus a church, several thousand cars and multiple other buildings ...

Was it all part of the conspiracy? Only one man knows ...

I can't remember his name. He used to live down the road from me. We went fishing a few times and then he just disappeared.

Either that or he bought a new car.


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Glacier said:
Donstuie

What you seem not to be taking into account are those who just ask legitimate questions
Now, for instance, ask yourself the following and then point to me where the answers to just these simple facts are, because I would love to know
Why did a whole in the pentagon not fit the size of the plane?
What happened to the engines?
How if it was so hot that the plane " melted" as official version states , were bodies then identified through DNA
How is it possible that black boxes cannot survive a crash yet a paper passport of a suspected hijacker can ?
Why was so much heavy wreckage found so far from the 93 crash site?
Why is it so that most of the id's of the hijackers themselves are in fact people who have come fwd since, very distressed yet very much alive, but in the eyes of the world still dead hijackers?
How did building 7 collapse?
Why were so many witnesses at all the events who's stories differ than the official account not given the same treatment as those who's testimony matches the official account?

Now spare me this truther crap please, I'm no more in the know than you purport to be
I'm not in any official group, nor am I very much interested and impressed by stories of illuminati or fake planes etc
I'm just someone who has read about the events, seen the location and as happens listened at that location to family members of lost loved ones who are there, day after day asking the same questions but getting no answers
If you want to join a discussion such as this, open your mind
If you come in calling everyone looney and truther etc and have no real interest in actually asking yourself some very uncomfortable questions, then really what's the point ?
Some simple questions are above for you, and before you go and answer with the " official " finding stuff, realise that it's the " official " findings themselves that raise the questions
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Legitimate questions?

Most are misrepresentations of the facts while others have been conclusively shown to be incorrect assumptions.

Somehow, despite being an active participant, you've missed the content of the past two mammoth threads on this subject and are still unaware that every single one of those questions has been answered - on these very forums.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have amazingly remained ignorant of this.

Otherwise it appears very likely that far from being some kind of self described impartial fence sitter, it is in fact you, Glacier, who is displaying all the traits of closed mindedness.


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Oh my goodness
Appearing from the depths of ignorance and still unable to answer without scorn is this guy
Just answer the ****ing questions or disappear for another 12 months wingnut
 
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