Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

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catman 71 said:
Isn't the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory that the U.S. government organised it to justify entering the Iraq war?

When I said "you" I meant generically.
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Not in it's entirety...clearly there were individuals maintaining significant posts in the US Government that had an awareness and/or were complicit (Cheney was most definitely involved), but to say that the whole US Government and only the US Government was involved is incredibly naive and facile.

There is a connection between large companies, such as those in oil and gas (eg. Exxon Mobil) and those in the broader military industrial complex (eg. Halliburton) and governments such as that of the US. Cheney was once the Chairman and the CEO of Halliburton (mid-1990s I believe)...they profited from the Iraq war many billions of dollars (the count varies according to years and divisions of the company...but it was well over $20 billion all up, possibly closer to $100 billion). This conflict of interest is criminal when considering that it is the everyday US taxpayer who footed that bill.

This is why multinational corporations are in bed with big government and how it is foreseeable that governments will lie to the citizenry to get what they want...there is a LOT of money to be made in doing so. Corporations provide the mechanism by which products and services may be leveraged into money, and governments provide the "green light" to enter war or legislate around road blocks to free up a stream of money.

In all honesty, it beggars belief that so many people around the world are not aware of just how screwed "we, the people" are (to reluctantly use an Americanism) by our governments, particular those in the US.
 
Glacier and The Scales are bang on. Essentially there are so many "conspiracy theories" promulgated by the likes of Alex Jones (by the way, don't watch Infowars - infamous for spreading disinformation) that it renders one who distrusts the official narrative a tin foil hat wearing moron...there may or may not have been thermite involved in the destruction of the towers; but it is beside the point. The 9/11 Commission Report has holes in it larger than could reasonably be attained by blowing it up with thermite itself. But ultimately no one knows exactly what happened.

This is why some of the videos I posted further above are important...there are individuals and collectives (at conferences, for instance) analysing what is known and what is not known. A clue as to who in the "alternative media" may be trusted is found in their dialogue...do they keep an open mind as to what happened and how or are they forcing only one theory down the viewership's collective throat?

It is easy to get sucked into debating the various theories, and indeed that is probably what the perpetrators enjoy most, aside from their billions of dollars - divide and conquer. "Keep them fighting among themselves!" And this, my friends, is where the "truth movement" is today. A rabble brought down by design, forgetting that they(/we?) all have one thing in common: an awareness that THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE IS BS.
 

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Glacier said:
I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
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Didn't they have that anyway?
 
luapjb said:
Glacier and The Scales are bang on. Essentially there are so many "conspiracy theories" promulgated by the likes of Alex Jones (by the way, don't watch Infowars - infamous for spreading disinformation) that it renders one who distrusts the official narrative a tin foil hat wearing moron...there may or may not have been thermite involved in the destruction of the towers; but it is beside the point. The 9/11 Commission Report has holes in it larger than could reasonably be attained by blowing it up with thermite itself. But ultimately no one knows exactly what happened.

This is why some of the videos I posted further above are important...there are individuals and collectives (at conferences, for instance) analysing what is known and what is not known. A clue as to who in the "alternative media" may be trusted is found in their dialogue...do they keep an open mind as to what happened and how or are they forcing only one theory down the viewership's collective throat?

It is easy to get sucked into debating the various theories, and indeed that is probably what the perpetrators enjoy most, aside from their billions of dollars - divide and conquer. "Keep them fighting among themselves!" And this, my friends, is where the "truth movement" is today. A rabble brought down by design, forgetting that they(/we?) all have one thing in common: an awareness that THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE IS BS.
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Absolutely spot on IMO
 
luapjb said:
Not in it's entirety...clearly there were individuals maintaining significant posts in the US Government that had an awareness and/or were complicit (Cheney was most definitely involved), but to say that the whole US Government and only the US Government was involved is incredibly naive and facile.

There is a connection between large companies, such as those in oil and gas (eg. Exxon Mobil) and those in the broader military industrial complex (eg. Halliburton) and governments such as that of the US. Cheney was once the Chairman and the CEO of Halliburton (mid-1990s I believe)...they profited from the Iraq war many billions of dollars (the count varies according to years and divisions of the company...but it was well over $20 billion all up, possibly closer to $100 billion). This conflict of interest is criminal when considering that it is the everyday US taxpayer who footed that bill.

This is why multinational corporations are in bed with big government and how it is foreseeable that governments will lie to the citizenry to get what they want...there is a LOT of money to be made in doing so. Corporations provide the mechanism by which products and services may be leveraged into money, and governments provide the "green light" to enter war or legislate around road blocks to free up a stream of money.

In all honesty, it beggars belief that so many people around the world are not aware of just how screwed "we, the people" are (to reluctantly use an Americanism) by our governments, particular those in the US.
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That's a pretty elaborate theory. Would like to see the proof of this, and it must be hard to come by, since no U.S. government official faced war trials.

Also, the little matter of Saddam Hussein torturing and killing thousands of his own people, along with Kuwaitis and Kurds, is enough to want to put this despot out of commission permanently.

Whatever you think of Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the deaths of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden is only a good thing.
 
Glacier said:
I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
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Exactly my thoughts on the matter too. :thumbsu:
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
What do you really think happened friend?

If it wasn't the US government, was it the chinese or mossad or big business...who the fcuk pulled this off
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I say it was big buisness...... and look at the Bush families links to the Suadi's and that area's economic explosion since 9/11 .... who was in charge last time the US went to war in the middles east? follow the money

Who was President last time the Twin Towers were attacked??

IMO the towers were wired a very long time ago..... the plan was in place along time ago.

Oklahoma was a test to see if they could "hide" the story inside the CIA and within the intelligence organisations.

The result of 9/11 has seen every man, women and child lose civil rights.... every time there is "another" attack we lose a little bit more of our civil rights..... MH370 will see us lose more civil rights..... I thinks its a long term strategy to slowly take away peoples rights and in slave them more and more....
The control of capital is ultimately the goal..... the capital in the oil fields of the middle east is where this control is being fought.

I think Israel is a front for western capitalism ......

I think Capitalism is a ponzi scheme that will eventually kill its self..... what will remain? thats pretty scary thought when the thing that drives capitalism the most is greed.
 
Glacier said:
I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
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Sounds like you believe the US government/big business was inonit...lets say like an inside job so to speak :)
but in your previous post/s you say they aren't...I'm confused friend.

Given that we're moving away from holograms, missiles, thermite etc, which have been considered, laughed at, then thoroughly debunked beyond recognition, it leaves us with the top end cronies.

Call me crazy but for this discussion to move forward CT's probably need to concede the crap about the actual days events ie missiles, thermite, holograms, fake planes etc was complete bullshit.

It's ok it was pretty whacky afterall:cool:

So the paper trials hey?

Interesting :rainbow::thumbsu:
 
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I say it was big buisness...... and look at the Bush families links to the Suadi's and that area's economic explosion since 9/11 .... who was in charge last time the US went to war in the middles east? follow the money

Who was President last time the Twin Towers were attacked?? Clinton what's your point?:oops:

IMO the towers were wired a very long time ago..... the plan was in place along time ago. Hmmm

Oklahoma was a test to see if they could "hide" the story inside the CIA and within the intelligence organisations. We're going backwards here

The result of 9/11 has seen every man, women and child lose civil rights.... every time there is "another" attack we lose a little bit more of our civil rights..... MH370 will see us lose more civil rights..... I thinks its a long term strategy to slowly take away peoples rights and in slave them more and more....
The control of capital is ultimately the goal..... the capital in the oil fields of the middle east is where this control is being fought. Keep on track friend:thumbsu:

I think Israel is a front for western capitalism ......Really :confused:

I think Capitalism is a ponzi scheme that will eventually kill its self..... what will remain? thats pretty scary thought when the thing that drives capitalism the most is greed.
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RIOLIUSTAR said:
Sounds like you believe the US government/big business was inonit...lets say like an inside job so to speak :)
but in your previous post/s you say they aren't...I'm confused friend.

Given that we're moving away from holograms, missiles, thermite etc, which have been considered, laughed at, then thoroughly debunked beyond recognition, it leaves us with the top end cronies.

Call me crazy but for this discussion to move forward CT's probably need to concede the crap about the actual days events ie missiles, thermite, holograms, fake planes etc was complete bullshit.

It's ok it was pretty whacky afterall:cool:

So the paper trials hey?

Interesting :rainbow::thumbsu:
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Never said the government mate, ever
Bush I believe was just the sort of inept president that would allow this to be pulled off however
When I say I believe that this was allowed to happen, that doesn't necessarily mean the government as a whole
 
Glacier said:
Never said the government mate, ever
Bush I believe was just the sort of inept president that would allow this to be pulled off however
When I say I believe that this was allowed to happen, that doesn't necessarily mean the government as a whole
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Yeah, I lean toward isolated factions within the government pulling some strings, others on the periphery doing their stuff, and external parties ( domestic and foreign ), playing their role as well.

I believe they all thought they were acting independently, and toward their own agenda. I believe their expectations were met, and probably surpassed.

But my sneaking suspicion is that it was co-ordinated and choreographed, so the sum of several, isolated acts impacted into the shit storm of 9/11.

This points to a puppet - master(s), high on my radar are the Bilderberg group ( NWO ).
 
The CIA has been running independently of the government for years..... all in the name of "national security" and "National interests" ..... working for the financial elite.
 
Not hard to find Muslim extremist to take the blame , no one seemed one bit surprised when they learnt some Muslim terrorists crashed planes in the twin towers.
If Nuns were filmed flying the plans then I'm sure questions would've been asked.
Muslims have been the perfect scapegoat in all this.
American Government has exaggerated acts of terrorism & amplified Muslims reputations as terrorists for the purpose of their own missions.
Every time we see a Muslim down the street we think the are carrying a bomb, that's the influence 9/11 has had & exactly the effect the yanky government wanted, for us to live in fear & support any war actions so people in government like Cheeney & the bushes can make zillions.
Remember the Bush family own a company that makes army tanks & ammunition.
After 9/11 the government increased their spending budget on weapons & spent 300million on new army tanks, guess who supplied the tanks to the army, Bush's Company!
Many many people became richer from 9/11, tragedy you say, not for every one.
Bin Ladin's family have invested millions into companies owner by Bush, Cheeny, Rumsfeld etc....
Bin Ladin didn't orchestrate 9/11 , he might of organise on Bush's behalf , some extremists to hi-jack the planes etc but that's about it.
No panes would ever get any where near major towers with out being shot down by the airforce , the airforce were slow to act cos they were under orders too.

What I don't understand is why anyone would believe anything that ever comes from any government ,
they are the biggest corrupt organisation of them all.
Governments are made up of Politicians , there's the biggest problem!
 
Glacier said:
Never said the government mate, ever
Bush I believe was just the sort of inept president that would allow this to be pulled off however
When I say I believe that this was allowed to happen, that doesn't necessarily mean the government as a whole
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You did however mention several names that were very high up in the government at the time though by citing Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al (missed out Bush strangely;)).

So it was allowed to happen?

Why would they go to the lengths you and others here are suggesting, to gain wealth (through war I assume), when they fabricated the WMD's in Iraq to do that, went to war and made their billions.

I'm not suggesting Bush and his cronies are honest, not driven by greed and don't have their fists in the pie, actually far from it.

Politicians and big business have been in bed forever, it happens in this country, every country and probably moreso in the US, but this doesn't automatically point to 9/11 been a conspiracy and inside job.
 
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RIOLIUSTAR said:
You did however mention several names that were very high up in the government at the time though by citing Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al (missed out Bush strangely;)).

So it was allowed to happen?

Why would they go to the lengths you and others here are suggesting, to gain wealth (through war I assume), when they fabricated the WMD's in Iraq to do that, went to war and made their billions.

I'm not suggesting Bush and his cronies are honest, not driven by greed and don't have their fists in the pie, actually far from it.

Politicians and big business have been in bed forever, it happens in this country, every country and probably moreso in the US, but this doesn't automatically point to 9/11 been a conspiracy and inside job.
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The reason I never mentioned Bush is very simple
Bush was very very stupid, lets not mix words about that
When you look at the rest of that group however, what is the common thread?
They all had interests in large corporations and not only that, but were involved in areas of government that could and did benefit from 9/11 and what's more, so did their own personal interests
It's also interesting to look at say, Powell, who seemed to have become somewhat on the outer before that day
In my opinion, a man like Bush was ideal to manipulate, and lets not pretend the idea of such is too far fetched
Governments are always subservient to interest groups, look at the NRA in the US and how much power they yield
PNAC was spot on with the outcomes that 9/11 bought about
 
Glacier said:
The reason I never mentioned Bush is very simple
Bush was very very stupid, lets not mix words about that
When you look at the rest of that group however, what is the common thread?
They all had interests in large corporations and not only that, but were involved in areas of government that could and did benefit from 9/11 and what's more, so did their own personal interests
It's also interesting to look at say, Powell, who seemed to have become somewhat on the outer before that day
In my opinion, a man like Bush was ideal to manipulate, and lets not pretend the idea of such is too far fetched
Governments are always subservient to interest groups, look at the NRA in the US and how much power they yield
PNAC was spot on with the outcomes that 9/11 bought about
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It's a given Bush wasn't/isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Powerful and connected but not that sharp, at least at running the country.

I think you'll find, particularly in the US that all the big players on both sides of politics have connections to big business, are very wealthy prior to running for office and get wealthier post office. No shock there.

Everything you posted I basically agree with mate, but none of it proves anything as to why they'd slaughter their own people in this manner.

They pinned WMD on Iraq, which got them all wealthier, secured their oil, got big contracts for themselves and their mates the list goes on, to appease their greed and desire to destroy Saddam. This is all fact.

If you look at it logically it makes zero sense, why they'd let 9/11 happen on purpose let alone orchestrate it and crazier still be able to cover-up such a scandal.

PS: PNAC?
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
It's a given Bush wasn't/isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Powerful and connected but not that sharp, at least at running the country.

I think you'll find, particularly in the US that all the big players on both sides of politics have connections to big business, are very wealthy prior to running for office and get wealthier post office. No shock there.

Everything you posted I basically agree with mate, but none of it proves anything as to why they'd slaughter their own people in this manner.

They pinned WMD on Iraq, which got them all wealthier, secured their oil, got big contracts for themselves and their mates the list goes on, to appease their greed and desire to destroy Saddam. This is all fact.

If you look at it logically it makes zero sense, why they'd let 9/11 happen on purpose let alone orchestrate it and crazier still be able to cover-up such a scandal.

PS: PNAC?
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Project for a new American century
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
It's a given Bush wasn't/isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Powerful and connected but not that sharp, at least at running the country.

I think you'll find, particularly in the US that all the big players on both sides of politics have connections to big business, are very wealthy prior to running for office and get wealthier post office. No shock there.

Everything you posted I basically agree with mate, but none of it proves anything as to why they'd slaughter their own people in this manner.

They pinned WMD on Iraq, which got them all wealthier, secured their oil, got big contracts for themselves and their mates the list goes on, to appease their greed and desire to destroy Saddam. This is all fact.

If you look at it logically it makes zero sense, why they'd let 9/11 happen on purpose let alone orchestrate it and crazier still be able to cover-up such a scandal.

PS: PNAC?
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So essentially in your post you gave great reasons why it was very possible
Iraq
Oil
Big business contracts
War
Power
Do you think this would have been possible without 9/11?
Serious question because of course they had already been in Iraq once before
 
Follow the money
Ask yourself
Who benefited?
Who profited?
Who had their fingers in the pie?
For 9/11 to happen as it did required a massive amount of things to go wrong on the one day, or right if that's how to put it
And we are not just talking on that day but in the years proceeding and after
For instance, I find it incredible that nobody asks the obvious question- how did these guys even get in the country when they were all, or associated with those that were, already on watch lists?
 
Glacier said:
So essentially in your post you gave great reasons why it was very possible
Iraq
Oil
Big business contracts
War
Power
Do you think this would have been possible without 9/11?
Serious question because of course they had already been in Iraq once before
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That's what I said and gave a fact, as how they achieved it:)
 
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