Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

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CLUBMEDhurst said:
That already exists.

Here, fill yer boots

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/proof-911-was-an-inside-job-part-iv.837709/page-80
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That thread is locked and has since been moved to this new forum where "Home Team" rules apply.

RIOLIUSTAR said:
Personally I like hearing about the weird and whacky responses the CT's come up with on this topic:)

I think having had it moved onto this board speaks volumes to who has won the debate:D
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Bingo :D. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but this is the only open thread on Bigfooty where anyone can discuss the events of 911.
 

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Doc_ said:
The title of this thread needs changing. It is up to the conspiracy theorists to prove their version of events, not the other way round.
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This becomes problematic when the essential problem is that we really do not know exactly what happened - you will notice that intelligent people challenging the veracity of the official narrative of 9/11 admit that there is a need for a new independent investigation in order to determine exactly what happened, how it happened, and who made it happen.

Once one looks into the details of 9/11, including geopolitical occurrences prior to and since that day, it becomes reasonably obvious (assuming one is a rational individual with an IQ above 80) that the official narrative cannot be true. The actions and professional appointments of Dick Cheney alone is enough, in my opinion, to establish that there is something very wrong the whole scenario.

One cannot take a facile approach to this...it is convoluted, with many individuals and departments involved in some way. The "need to know basis" upon which the operations of the CIA, FBI, and NSA etc. are predicated enables corruption and nefarious activity to occur.

There are people who have tried to make sense of the facts by offering a theory as to how it happened - the nano-thermite demolition theory for instance proffered by AE911Truth; the flight path of the planes, especially the one that hit the Pentagon (Pilots for 9/11 Truth) etc. - but until there is a new and truly independent investigation no one will know for sure.

At least there are people discussing this in a public forum. I trust James Corbett www.corbettreport.com;
http://www.corbettreport.com/who-was-really-behind-the-911-attacks/ as he provides links and evidence for everything he discusses, and he has interviewed many whistleblowers that actually worked in the CIA or other US government authorities (Sibel Edmonds for instance). He also presented at one of the International Conferences on 9/11:

with more of that conference here:


Kevin Ryan has put many facts together:

Jeremy Rys has put this together:


One must also overcome a powerfully uncomfortable psychological phenomenon known as cognitive dissonance...perhaps you cannot overcome this psychological stress as it would mean accepting that all you know about the operation of governments and your world in general may not be true. It is not easy. I actually shed some tears briefly when I became 99.9% certain that the official version of 9/11 was not true. Prior to this moment, I thought there was something odd about it all but could not accept that government officials could be involved, or that the hundreds of complicit people would no doubt have spoken up if it were indeed an "inside job"...I realised that there are people out there who have spoken up, but they have been perpetually discredited by the powers that should not be.
 
Glacier said:
What, so someone who doesn't believe in the official version wants Bin Laden off the hook?
Repeat...what a stupid comment
Grow a brain
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bin Laden was recruited by the CIA as an asset during the establishment of "The Database", aka "Al Qaeda" (originally Mujahideen fighters) in the 1980's when the US wanted to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen). Weak reference I know - I despise Wikipedia as part of the mainstream media to which we're perpetually exposed - but this is widely known and Hillary Clinton admitted it here:
 
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luapjb said:
This becomes problematic when the essential problem is that we really do not know exactly what happened - you will notice that intelligent people challenging the veracity of the official narrative of 9/11 admit that there is a need for a new independent investigation in order to determine exactly what happened, how it happened, and who made it happen.

Once one looks into the details of 9/11, including geopolitical occurrences prior to and since that day, it becomes reasonably obvious (assuming one is a rational individual with an IQ above 80) that the official narrative cannot be true. The actions and professional appointments of Dick Cheney alone is enough, in my opinion, to establish that there is something very wrong the whole scenario.

One cannot take a facile approach to this...it is convoluted, with many individuals and departments involved in some way. The "need to know basis" upon which the operations of the CIA, FBI, and NSA etc. are predicated enables corruption and nefarious activity to occur.

There are people who have tried to make sense of the facts by offering a theory as to how it happened - the nano-thermite demolition theory for instance proffered by AE911Truth; the flight path of the planes, especially the one that hit the Pentagon (Pilots for 9/11 Truth) etc. - but until there is a new and truly independent investigation no one will know for sure.

At least there are people discussing this in a public forum. I trust James Corbett www.corbettreport.com;
http://www.corbettreport.com/who-was-really-behind-the-911-attacks/ as he provides links and evidence for everything he discusses, and he has interviewed many whistleblowers that actually worked in the CIA or other US government authorities (Sibel Edmonds for instance). He also presented at one of the International Conferences on 9/11:

with more of that conference here:


Kevin Ryan has put many facts together:

Jeremy Rys has put this together:


One must also overcome a powerfully uncomfortable psychological phenomenon known as cognitive dissonance...perhaps you cannot overcome this psychological stress as it would mean accepting that all you know about the operation of governments and your world in general may not be true. It is not easy. I actually shed some tears briefly when I became 99.9% certain that the official version of 9/11 was not true. Prior to this moment, I thought there was something odd about it all but could not accept that government officials could be involved, or that the hundreds of complicit people would no doubt have spoken up if it were indeed an "inside job"...I realised that there are people out there who have spoken up, but they have been perpetually discredited by the powers that should not be.
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The fact still remains that the conspiracy theorists have to disprove the official story. The 911 inside job stuff is just that, a conspiracy theory.
That is why the thread title needs to be changed.
Nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong.
 
Doc_ said:
The fact still remains that the conspiracy theorists have to disprove the official story. The 911 inside job stuff is just that, a conspiracy theory.
That is why the thread title needs to be changed.
Nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong.
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The lack of evidence for Osama and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's involvement renders the official narrative a conspiracy theory as well. Remember that a conspiracy is but a secret plan between two or more individuals to do something unlawful or harmful.

KSM was tortured prior to his confession. Any court of law would thus regard his confession as unreliable.
 
luapjb said:
The lack of evidence for Osama and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's involvement renders the official narrative a conspiracy theory as well. Remember that a conspiracy is but a secret plan between two or more individuals to do something unlawful or harmful.

KSM was tortured prior to his confession. Any court of law would thus regard his confession as unreliable.
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What like Bush and his cronies, plus the military, police, firefighters, civil servants, demolition experts and so on. That'd be a thousand plus people in onit to pull this off.

Oh and lets not forget the CIA and FBI who practically despised each other at the time ;)

I think you're getting confused friend between arrogantly incompetent beaurocrats and a well organised and oiled conspiracy/treachery machine :cool:

I'm not for minute sucking up everything I'm fed from government, actually far from it, but this topic is an exception. Sure the government/CIA can and does and will continue pull off many treacheous acts on a small scale, but not this big for mine and on their own people.

They dropped the ball, bigtime here, and they don't won't to admit they completely were incompetent...just a little as they already have done.

The biggest lesson learnt from this tragedy was that organisations within the US government needed to share information (not pull off the biggest heist of all time)....enter homeland security:D

Anyway that's my bob x 2, thanks for your attention:thumbsu::rainbow:
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
What like Bush and his cronies, plus the military, police, firefighters, civil servants, demolition experts and so on. That'd be a thousand plus people in onit to pull this off.

Oh and lets not forget the CIA and FBI who practically despised each other at the time ;)

I think you're getting confused friend between arrogantly incompetent beaurocrats and a well organised and oiled conspiracy/treachery machine
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basically, we all have our price...to keep quiet or to engineer nefarious activity (if given the chance). Look at the extent of corruption in governments and corporations throughout history. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Where do you think the missing trillions (announced by Rumsfeld a day prior to 9/11) went? How could anyone run a corporation like the US and just say.."well, our computer systems have to communicate better with each other so we don't lose track of another couple of trillion dollars"?

It is a massive thing to come to terms with, but when you look at the facts, and how those buildings came down, well it is just too hard to suspend reality for one day and just pass it all off as bad luck, bad engineering, odd coincidence etc. The dozens of CEOs and other corporate high-flyers who were supposed to be in those buildings but managed to get onto the TV and tell everyone it was Osama bin Laden within hours of the planes hitting the towers...argh.

They all know something and big amounts of money were gained from those companies as a result of the event. Some of them may have ended up with some of the gold that was heisted. We just don't have enough information and the 9/11 Commission was set up to fail.

The grander the lie, the broader the acceptance. The so-called "Big Lie" phenomenon that Hitler discussed in Mein Kampf and later used to distort reality.

But mate, I do understand that this is an incredibly tough concept. I do. I always thought "they wouldn't do that to their own people, something so huge and truly evil"...then I came across some other aspects of history. JFK, Operation Northwoods, false flags in general...the powers that shouldn't be in this world - many were and some still are psychopathic megalomaniacal beasts.
 
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luapjb said:
basically, we all have our price...to keep quiet or to engineer nefarious activity (if given the chance). Look at the extent of corruption in governments and corporations throughout history. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Where do you think the mission trillions (announced by Rumsfeld a day prior to 9/11) went? How could anyone run a corporation like the US and just say.."well, our computer systems have to communicate better with each other so we don't lose track of another couple of trillion dollars"?

It is a massive thing to come to terms with, but when you look at the facts, and how those buildings came down, well it is just to hard to suspend reality for one day and just pass it all off as bad luck, bad engineering, odd coincidence etc. The dozens of CEOs and other corporate high-flyers who were supposed to be in those buildings but managed to get onto the TV and tell everyone it was Osama bin Laden within hours of the planes hitting the towers...argh.

They all know something and big amounts of money were gained from those companies as a result of the event. Some of them may have ended up with some of the gold that was heisted. We just don't have enough information and the 9/11 Commission was set up to fail.

The grander the lie, the broader the acceptance. The so-called "Big Lie" phenomenon that Hitler discussed in Mein Kampf and later used to distort reality.

But mate, I do understand that this is an incredibly tough concept. I do. I always thought "they wouldn't do that to their own people, something so huge and truly evil"...then I came across some other aspects of history. JFK, Operation Northwoods, false flags in general...the powers that shouldn't be in this world - many were and some still are psychopathic megalomaniacal beasts.
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Good post friend:thumbsu:

I see your point and train of thought.

Sure there is a few oddities floating in the backround, hence my interest in the paper trials etc, our esteemed friend GG brought to the table awhile back.

I glean from your responses that you might be still convinced that for example the towers were wired, it was a missile etc. :rolleyes:

Maybe if your side can come to grips that it was what it was, and focus more on the "behind the scenes" we can take this thread on a new revamped path. ;):rainbow:
 
Glacier said:
What, so someone who doesn't believe in the official version wants Bin Laden off the hook?
Repeat...what a stupid comment
Grow a brain
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Okay, so if you think that the U.S. government are responsible, then what involvement do you think Bin Laden had in the plot?
 

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Glacier said:
When did I say the US government were responsible ??
Can you point to exactly where I said the US government were responsible?
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What do you really think happened friend?

If it wasn't the US government, was it the chinese or mossad or big business...who the fcuk pulled this off
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
What do you really think happened friend?

If it wasn't the US government, was it the chinese or mossad or big business...who the fcuk pulled this off
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Paraphrasing Orwell, who controlled the present, controlled the past. In 2001 the Bush administration was the official legislature and spokesperson for several vested interests. We're all adults here, and concede that politics is the biggest facade of big business. Donations, lobbying, Law creation and contracts ( military and civil ), are intertwined with corrupted practices and protocols.

With a couple of missing trillions, you can buy a hell of a lot of smoke and mirrors, and direct investigations down the "correct" path, and very far away from places you don't want prying eyes. MSM will buckle when threatened with withdrawal of revenues from advertisers, and loss of access privileges to political media functions, making media very accommodating to the controller of the purse strings.

I cannot believe all the CTs proposed, but logically, the Official Report left holes you could drive a truck through. In its own way, that may have been the masterstroke of the complicit parties. Let the credible questions get side-swiped by some anomalies, and the less rational theories get the crazies baying. Much easier to dismiss all questioning as the rantings of the tinfoil hat brigade. Case dismissed.

IMHO, I would do what every detective would do. Follow the money. The financial winners of 9/11 are the likely perpetrators, or, at the very least, the facilitators of this infamous day. After the money trail I would investigate the exponential rising of political stocks. Who won the agenda battle? Who seized more control and influence? Lastly ( beyond the innocent victims ), who lost the most, whose careers were destroyed, reputation shot or was cowed into ceasing whistle-blowing against the government or large business. Find the losers' enemies, you've likely found the guilty parties.

Bush is a barely functioning illiterate, but at the time he controlled the present. His puppeteers manipulated subsequent agendas to reach the desired conclusion. The Official Report was tabled, not to be revisited, Bush controlled the past. All else from that point on was conjecture and speculation, ultimately unprovable due to time elapsed and potential destruction of evidence.

We are left with a matter of Public Record that is not satisfactory to many logical theorists and academics, and an inability to further pursue the unanswered questions this has left posterity.
 
RIOLIUSTAR said:
What do you really think happened friend?

If it wasn't the US government, was it the chinese or mossad or big business...who the fcuk pulled this off
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I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
 
The Scales said:
Paraphrasing Orwell, who controlled the present, controlled the past. In 2001 the Bush administration was the official legislature and spokesperson for several vested interests. We're all adults here, and concede that politics is the biggest facade of big business. Donations, lobbying, Law creation and contracts ( military and civil ), are intertwined with corrupted practices and protocols.

With a couple of missing trillions, you can buy a hell of a lot of smoke and mirrors, and direct investigations down the "correct" path, and very far away from places you don't want prying eyes. MSM will buckle when threatened with withdrawal of revenues from advertisers, and loss of access privileges to political media functions, making media very accommodating to the controller of the purse strings.

I cannot believe all the CTs proposed, but logically, the Official Report left holes you could drive a truck through. In its own way, that may have been the masterstroke of the complicit parties. Let the credible questions get side-swiped by some anomalies, and the less rational theories get the crazies baying. Much easier to dismiss all questioning as the rantings of the tinfoil hat brigade. Case dismissed.

IMHO, I would do what every detective would do. Follow the money. The financial winners of 9/11 are the likely perpetrators, or, at the very least, the facilitators of this infamous day. After the money trail I would investigate the exponential rising of political stocks. Who won the agenda battle? Who seized more control and influence? Lastly ( beyond the innocent victims ), who lost the most, whose careers were destroyed, reputation shot or was cowed into ceasing whistle-blowing against the government or large business. Find the losers' enemies, you've likely found the guilty parties.

Bush is a barely functioning illiterate, but at the time he controlled the present. His puppeteers manipulated subsequent agendas to reach the desired conclusion. The Official Report was tabled, not to be revisited, Bush controlled the past. All else from that point on was conjecture and speculation, ultimately unprovable due to time elapsed and potential destruction of evidence.

We are left with a matter of Public Record that is not satisfactory to many logical theorists and academics, and an inability to further pursue the unanswered questions this has left posterity.
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In all the years of this thread probably the most poignant post
 
Isn't the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory that the U.S. government organised it to justify entering the Iraq war?

When I said "you" I meant generically.
 
Glacier said:
I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
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Are these "certain elements" the same ones who planned the JFK assasination?
 
Glacier said:
I have always said I believe that certain elements within the US allowed and facilitated this to happen for both personal and national gain
This is NOT the same as the " government did it "
Disruption to normal investigative procedures beforehand and afterwards and chain of command during seem obvious to me
Cheney, Rumsfeld , Pearl , Wolfawitz et al gained an awful lot of power and wealth from 9/11, particularly when one thinks about the amount of fingers in the amount of pies they had( eg business interests that made massive profits from this)
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I like where this is heading mate
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