A dynamic has emerged such as Australian cricket has never known

[The Big Steele]

Great Article from Tim Lane.

Really hits the nail on the head.

One of Tim Lane's best works.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cric...es-lie-20110205-1ahrn.html?rand=1296916232794

Cricket's newest kid on the block is a destructive force.

ONE of the best questions posed recently about Australian cricket came this week from a golf commentator. Mark Allen, on SEN, asked: what the heck is Usman Khawaja doing playing Twenty20 cricket for his state?

If anyone at Cricket Australia was listening, the response was more than likely a stifled yawn, a palm casually pushed towards the speaker with a bored, ''tell it to the hand''. Such is the apparent lack of acknowledgment by the administration at the problem over which it is presiding.

 

[legend166]

Khawaja looked great in the Big Bash games he played and did it playing regulation cricket shots.

I don't disagree with the premise of the article, but Lane really needed a better example.

 

[rose jam]

Khawaja looked great in the Big Bash games he played and did it playing regulation cricket shots.

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That's true that Khawaja plays technically I suppose you call it even in the Big Bash, but the T20 cricket really doesn't teach you the value of your wicket. The way players are interviewed off the ground straight after getting out they don't even look disappointed. There's an attitude of "hopefully I get runs next time".

Keep Khawaja away from T20 as much as possible please.

 

[The Big Steele]

What about the way the Aussie boys played on Boxing day against the moving ball. No technical competence and they all wanted to play the big shots rather than graft runs. All out 98.

You can't have both 20/20 and Test Cricket as two different goals for your batsman as they are totally different games and the skills for one (20/20) destroy the skills for the other (Tests).

 

[The Passenger]

i think 20-20 may have already started to run it's race in this country. hopefully.

but if it isn't, i think you will see the two games get further and further apart and in the future there won't be many cricketers who can play all forms of the game. as it is, there isn't really any already. but still test guys who aren't part of the internatinal 20-20 or 50-over team will still play state 20-20 matches. I think in future guys like Hilfenhaus, Khawaja, Hughes and co. will just be told to play grade cricket for the month the big bash is on. It could actually be a positive as people have been saying or a long time it's a shame how little grade cricket test cricketers play....

the big problem is if to many teenagers get lured into the riches of 20-20 games and we lose some potentially quality test cricketers....

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Would Pat Cummins be a better example of somebody whose long term Test ambitions may be ruined by playing too much T20 cricket? He'll be in demand by all kinds of franchises (Big Bash, IPL etc.) due to his amazing start.

I'd hate for somebody so talented to become a limited overs specialist, another Tait, rather than hone his skills in the longer form of the game with the eventual aim of winning a baggy green.

 

[The Passenger]

Would Pat Cummins be a better example of somebody whose long term Test ambitions may be ruined by playing too much T20 cricket? He'll be in demand by all kinds of franchises (Big Bash, IPL etc.) due to his amazing start.

could be. it will be gutting if this happens too.

 

[dan warna]

Usman Khawaja is the most exciting prospect (note not exciting batsman) at test level i've seen.

I think he needs training in dealing with quality spin.

Also I think he is potentially our best opener.

I also think with watson scoring and khawaja blocking we have a great fire and ice opening partnership.

Further, with a strong opening partnership it creates an opportunity for Clarke to come in at 4, later in the innings, because lets face it, he was coming at at 2/50 or soon for much of the ashes, if he's coming in at 2/100 or better, it will protect him, and the difference between his failure at 4 and success at 5 will blur.

winning ODI's and 20/20 is fun and nice, but we all know that the test cricket and success there is what defines a player.

border and s.waugh were ordinary ODI players, but greats of the test arena. M.Waugh and B.Lee were greats of the ODI arena, and despite many fans, they are were solid but ordinary test players.

Bevan was a great ODI player, but a failure at test level.

Ponting, tendulkar, mcgrath, Viv Richards transcended ODIs and tests, but will be remembered as test players.

In conclusion, I believe Khawaja will be a test great for australia, don't mess with his style and technique, and teach him how to play spin. In fact bowl spin at him for a few days straight, and he'll learn himself.

 

[Sman-21]

All the money is in 20/20 cricket.

A player isnt going to turn down opportunities of playing 20/20
So he can just play tests an 1dayers for his country.

 

[rose jam]

All the money is in 20/20 cricket.

A player isnt going to turn down opportunities of playing 20/20
So he can just play tests an 1dayers for his country.

this is where the ACB need to use money generated from cricket to boost test player contracts so it becomes worthwhile to become a specialist test player and you don't need IPL cash to make a 10 year living to set you up for life.

Stop dishing out contracts to 30 players or whatever the number is and put all the contract money into your key 8 or 9 test players. The rest can earn their cash from the overseas franchises

 

[The Passenger]

Usman Khawaja is the most exciting prospect (note not exciting batsman) at test level i've seen.

should've been opening in the perth test rather than hughes.

with maddinson developing the way he is hopefully this will allow watson to drop down to number 4 which should help his bowling and prolong his career. watson seriously looked like he was about 50 the way he ambled up to the crease this summer to bowl.

there were times when you doubted the ball would get to the other end. He may have still being able to bowl into the low to mid 130's but that's pretty close to his regular pace, but even blind freddy could say that watto wasn't hitting the bat near as hard as he has in past seasons and as such he wasn't very penetrating with the ball.

i really think we should be working towards a top four of Maddinson, Khawaja, Lynn, Watson..... For this we need to get Khawaja settled in at test cricket and then continue the develop of Maddo and Lynn at shield cricket for a season or so longer and phase them in for Ponting and Hussey (with Clarke dropping down to five, or if he doesn't start scoring runs again he'll also be out of the team).

 

[Doodlesweaver]

All the money is in 20/20 cricket.

A player isnt going to turn down opportunities of playing 20/20
So he can just play tests an 1dayers for his country.

This. The young players must find the IPL incredibly enticing.

 

[The Passenger]

This. The young players must find the IPL incredibly enticing.

when you see some pretty average cricketers getting 500k+ for about 6 weeks work it's very hard to look away isn't it. can you blame them??

 

[The Passenger]

good article about 20-20

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/02/0...-killing-the-goose-that-lays-the-golden-eggs/

Cricket Australia killing the goose that lays golden eggs?

The KFC Big Bash has notched up another successful season with bumper crowds across the country helping to rejuvenate domestic cricket. So why is Cricket Australia relaunching the domestic Twenty20 competition under a new moniker and replacing the state teams with city-based clubs?

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[dumb]

well it's always been reasonably widely assumed, tim lane has had his head in the sand if he think people were unaware of the possibly destructive effects of 20/20 on a (young players) technique.

a counterpoint could be that, all the other teams are doing the same thing. the dynamic may in fact predominantly change test cricket itself rather than certain players becoming unable to adapt. gilchrist, sehwag, have had profound effects on the game and nobody's complained. as much as tim is right about the training/technique argument, he still clearly holds to the idea that test cricket should only contain all that is 'correct' while delighting in players like sehwag and gilchrist.

i get the idea that a proper technique gives a better chance of consistently producing results, etc etc. given that this is something going to affect all test-playing countries, that alone doesn't stand us in any worse stead. what will affect countries though, is the abilities of coaches and players to determine and teach what is required in a given situation.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

i think 20-20 may have already started to run it's race in this country. hopefully.

One can only hope. It's an abomination.

 

[The Big Steele]

Not as State level.

The Big Bash is going to crush all other cricket off the map next year.

 

[The Passenger]

will all depend on the promotion won't it. crowds and attendances were down this season.

 

[Minotaur]

The city based thing will flop. The article is right. You can't just expect people to form totally new alliegances.

 

[Sman-21]

i think 20\20 is here to stay.

Im not a fan of it an think its nothing more than a meaningless hit an giggle.

I prefer tessts an 1dayers because it takes more of a team effort, an the result normally favours the best team.
In 20\20 its more about which player has abig day out.

Having said all that i prefer to go an watch a 20\20 because it means i dont have to give up a whole day.

With test its your whole day gone, atleast on tv u can watch soime, go out thenwatch some more.
1 dayers its pretty much your whole day an night gone.

So i prefer the truer nature of the tests and 1dayers but can totally understand why so many prefer to go to 20\20s

 

[Ill Chicken]

Since the current coach and selection panel has been involved, there has been less separation between the three styles of cricket. There was a reluctance to remove Clarke from T20's even though it was evident that he can't perform at that level, Clarke and Ponting both need to think about their places in the 50 over side. Haddin and M. Hussey, while performing in the recent Ashes series should be looking at only playing the shorter forms of the game.

Basically they need to pick all three teams on merit, no other reason and a massive issue with this is that the current format of the domestic season means that whoever is playing in the national team has limited to opportunity to push their credentials in the other formats.

Play the shorter formats at the end of the season, finish the Shield season in late January early February or the opposite way around. Schedule test series so that players can play for their state several times before the start of a test series. Stop playing dead rubbers in ODI cricket.

 

[King Elvis]

The new T20 Comp is going to completely **** Cricket in this country.

 

[peternorth]

Vale cricket in Australia.

Vale

 

[western royboy]

well it's always been reasonably widely assumed, tim lane has had his head in the sand if he think people were unaware of the possibly destructive effects of 20/20 on a (young players) technique.

a counterpoint could be that, all the other teams are doing the same thing. the dynamic may in fact predominantly change test cricket itself rather than certain players becoming unable to adapt. gilchrist, sehwag, have had profound effects on the game and nobody's complained. as much as tim is right about the training/technique argument, he still clearly holds to the idea that test cricket should only contain all that is 'correct' while delighting in players like sehwag and gilchrist.

i get the idea that a proper technique gives a better chance of consistently producing results, etc etc. given that this is something going to affect all test-playing countries, that alone doesn't stand us in any worse stead. what will affect countries though, is the abilities of coaches and players to determine and teach what is required in a given situation.

Excellent Post - Correct in your assertions. The problem in junior cricket in Ausrtralia is that we have already stopped teaching correct technique at base level - so you cannot hope to right things at the top until you fix the base.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Some garbage on this board about T20.

The best batters can adapt their game to any environment and will succeed at test, one day and T20 level. Has playing T20 ruined Kallis? Tendulkar? Watson?

If a spinner is any good they should be able to adapt their game and their speed to the different requirements of the situation. Trotting out the myth that short forms of the game ruin spin bowlers is a massive cop out.