A player can be delisted after one year

[coasting]

I thought this was interesting, not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but I'll post it for discussion anyway. The rule (which many people talk about) that a draftee must stay on a list for 2 years is a myth. The Dockers just delisted Toby Stribling after one year. So yeah, there you have it, the AFL is pretty cut-throat.

 

[PMS24/7]

I thought this was interesting, not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but I'll post it for discussion anyway. The rule (which many people talk about) that a draftee must stay on a list for 2 years is a myth. The Dockers just delisted Toby Stribling after one year. So yeah, there you have it, the AFL is pretty cut-throat.

Players must be 18 on or before April 30 the year following a National Draft. Players who are not 18 before December 31 of a draft year (17 and a half) must be contracted for a minimum of two years

 

[BlueWorld]

Might be paying out the second year of his contract.

 

[big buddy38]

The player has to agree to be delisted and try his chances in the various drafts.
As I understand it, Stribling would get paid out the second year of his contract which goes on Freo's 2006 salary cap and probably relocation expenses if he goes back to SA.

 

[Weaver]

As I understand it, Stribling would get paid out the second year of his contract which goes on Freo's 2006 salary cap and probably relocation expenses if he goes back to SA.

Yep. He gets his cash and Freo basically have to account for the money in next year's salary cap.

Players must be contracted for a minimum 2 years but can be delisted after one. It is just normally considered an insane thing to do by a footy club. They are basically paying a player NOT to play for them, AND paying the salary of his replacement. Basically paying $100k+ in total for player 38 on your list.

 

[ThePope]

2nd year base salary is $40k. Relocation expenses are capped at $6k. It's a $50k cost, and might be avoided/paid for anyway if they can re-draft/rookie him.

It's the problem of not trading any players and not having any retirements and hence it's tough getting down to the 35 man limit.

The older/younger than 18 years old was in the previous CBA, but not the current one. All "first year draft choices" (ie those drafted who haven't played AFL before) must now be given a 2 year contract... but it can be paid out.

 

[ImperialPurple]

I think it may have been an error taking him anyway. They meant to say "Player # 65721 Andrew Swallow", but someone wrote down the wrong number on the slip of paper and they read out "Player #65712 Toby Stribling"...

Stribling - St...
Swallow - Sw....

Could be possible. Or perhaps I'm just making things up.

 

[FIGJAM]

What is the story behind this kid?

 

[ImperialPurple]

I don't think there's a "story" really - just that he came over here still 17, and spent most of the year in the East Freo reserves; got a couple of games in the seniors (bottom 4 team), but was dropped again and didn't really show as much as they hoped.

Freo had no retirements and no trades this year, so spaces on the list had to be freed up solely by delistings. Apparently it came down to Luke Webster, Daniel Haines or Toby - and the club has persisted with and stuck by both Haines and Webster through some shocking injury runs over the last few years.

Stephen Icke was quoted in The West this morning as saying they rated Webster and Haines ahead of Stribling, but they would probably try and take him on as a rookie for the next two years if he is still available then. Toby has been in training already with soem of the boys, and will begin full pre-season training at Freo in the hope of that eventuating. Maybe someone else will take a punt on him, but I would guess that he will still be available when the rookie draft comes around. We already have two rookies form last year, plus Parker and McManus on the vets list, so there's room for maybe Toby + one more at this stage. Whether they do actually take him or not remains to be seen I suppose.

 

[TigerFan]

I would have thought it'd be easy to cull a bottom 8 list...

the hard calls are once again avoided.

 

[Andyt30]

they delisted dylon smith after just 1 year, so hope he will get picked up by the Blues inthe draft as he's been training with Carlton

 

[4th Tier]

they delisted dylon smith after just 1 year, so hope he will get picked up by the Blues inthe draft as he's been training with Carlton

Dylan Smith was drafted to the Dockers in the December's 2003 pre-season draft, and played four matches in 2004 and six in 2005, he also played 11 matches for the Kangaroos in his three seasons there.

 

[Murray]

they delisted dylon smith after just 1 year, so hope he will get picked up by the Blues inthe draft as he's been training with Carlton

You are not having a real good day are you buddy?

 

[theorangeapple]

I thought it was a pretty low act from the dockers. To do that to a young bloke is pretty harsh. Especially when is seems it was only done to keep Webster and Haines on the books. If Toby had done something off -field then it would be different.

It said in the paper that if he is rookied by the club (which he will be unless another club gets him first) he would be paid the current wage next year. Not the rookie wage which means they dont have to 'pay the contract out'. Toby should tell em to go jump and pay out his current contract and give him the rookie wage next year like they would any other player from the rookie draft. Very sly from the dockers, very Cameron Schwab like.

 

[Ripper]

I thought it was a pretty low act from the dockers. To do that to a young bloke is pretty harsh. Especially when is seems it was only done to keep Webster and Haines on the books. If Toby had done something off -field then it would be different.

It said in the paper that if he is rookied by the club (which he will be unless another club gets him first) he would be paid the current wage next year. Not the rookie wage which means they dont have to 'pay the contract out'. Toby should tell em to go jump and pay out his current contract and give him the rookie wage next year like they would any other player from the rookie draft. Very sly from the dockers, very Cameron Schwab like.

Lol. It would be hailed as a smart move if your lot did it. Toby will be rookied and will not lose any money. He would be unlikely to get a game next year so nothing really has changed unless another club swoops in and picks up our gun.

Eagles may be interested, maybe?

Certainly didn't have a negative effect on Killer Crowley.

 

[theorangeapple]

Lol. It would be hailed as a smart move if your lot did it. Toby will be rookied and will not lose any money. He would be unlikely to get a game next year so nothing really has changed unless another club swoops in and picks up our gun.

Eagles may be interested, maybe?

Certainly didn't have a negative effect on Killer Crowley.

Might be smart from a business point of view but it is not smart from a footy culture point of view because alot of player will be questioning the credibility of the administration. Terminating a contract of anyone is low but to do it to a young bloke is harsh.

On Crowley, his contract wasnt terminated. It expired. At least he got a good shot at a career with 2yrs on the senior list.

I hope another club picks up Stribling which will mean the dockers have to pay out his contract and he gets the additional rookie wage at his new club. And then I hope he turns out to be a gun with his new club and splats even more egg in the face of that shabby Dockers admin. Going on past records, leaving Freo is the best thing a player can do for his career anyway.

 

[Ripper]

Might be smart from a business point of view but it is not smart from a footy culture point of view because alot of player will be questioning the credibility of the administration.

Bulltish! It might wake them all up to how cut throat the whole tasteless business is.

Terminating a contract of anyone is low but to do it to a young bloke is harsh.

I thought I saw you say on another post that young blokes take time to develop?

Toby can develop just as well on the rookie list as on the senior list.

On Crowley, his contract wasnt terminated. It expired. At least he got a good shot at a career with 2yrs on the senior list.

And wasn't renewed becuase of the rulles that state that you HAVE to have three draft picks.

2 years is not much time to develop as Crowls has shown.

I hope another club picks up Stribling which will mean the dockers have to pay out his contract and he gets the additional rookie wage at his new club. And then I hope he turns out to be a gun with his new club and splats even more egg in the face of that shabby Dockers admin. Going on past records, leaving Freo is the best thing a player can do for his career anyway.

That is the risk you have to take, I am sure that Webster or Haines would have attracted more interest than the bloke that went 4th last pick in the draft out of the new players in 2004.

That last paragraph smacks of sour grapes as you have realised that Freo have come from left field and done what had to be done to do the best for Freo..

 

[theorangeapple]

That last paragraph smacks of sour grapes as you have realised that Freo have come from left field and done what had to be done to do the best for Freo..

Oh yeh, I am sure every club in the league is craping their pants knowing the dockers have kept Daniel Haines.

And, the reason its soo 'leftfield' is because no other club has been willing to do that to a young player.

 

[Ripper]

Oh yeh, I am sure every club in the league is craping their pants knowing the dockers have kept Daniel Haines.

On one hand you are critising us for looking after a loyal servant and on the other critising us for not looking after another.
Make up your mind!

With his injuries and lack of games everyone forgets too easily how hard Mutt Haines is.

And, the reason its soo 'leftfield' is because no other club has been willing to do that to a young player.

Toby could well be better off being rookie listed. It could give him 3 years in the system instaed of two.

 

[theorangeapple]

On one hand you are critising us for looking after a loyal servant and on the other critising us for not looking after another.
Make up your mind!

This isnt my point but how is Haines a loyal servent of the club? Anyway, I dont care who the player is. If you terminated Haines' contract I would feel the same way (not quite as bad because he has had chances).

Note, I am not really talking footy ability here. I am talking about terminating a contract. Stribling might not turn out to be much but I really feel for him. He would have been so stoked to get drafted last year, he would have thought he could have the 2yrs and establish himself. And to get this dropped completely out of the blue would be very hard for the guy.

Toby could well be better off being rookie listed. It could give him 3 years in the system instaed of two.

Or one more. On a rookie list with basically no chance of playing AFL. Rookie list contracts only have to be 1yr. I would imagine that is all you will offer.

 

[ThePope]

It's a cutthroat business because the AFL list controls make it that way.
We cut a first year rookie, and 3 long term fringe players, who, given a bit of luck, a kick up the pants or a bit more comittment could make it in the AFL... all of Smith, Woods and Siegert have shown at times that they are capable of playing AFL.

But we had to cut them, or cut someone else that the club ranks higher than them. It's the rules.

You guys cut a guy who played in the GF (Green), a rookie who kicked 2 goals and took 8 marks in his debut match (Edwards) and a big bloke who's been on the fringes (Beeck) but couldn't get in the line ahead of Gardiner/Lynch/Hansen/Gaspar/Seaby etc. You could say that none of them got a decent go either, although they were listed for longer.

Worst case for Stribling is he gets his contract paid out for next year and plays for East Freo or or heads back home to play in the SANFL and picks up a 2nd pay check there.
The mid case is he gets rookie listed by Freo, and ends up being paid the 2nd year draft pick pay, not the rookie list pay.
Best case (financially) is he gets paid out by the Dockers, picked up by someone else and collects 2 pay checks for the year.

Either way he's not out of pocket, and will play footy. He's only 18, even if he isn't redrafted this year, a good year in the SANFL/WAFL would get his name noticed for next year.

It aint a "low act by Schwab" it's an AFL-induced, controlled, directed, condoned and inflicted business decision.

 

[theorangeapple]

You guys cut a guy who played in the GF (Green), a rookie who kicked 2 goals and took 8 marks in his debut match (Edwards) and a big bloke who's been on the fringes (Beeck) but couldn't get in the line ahead of Gardiner/Lynch/Hansen/Gaspar/Seaby etc. You could say that none of them got a decent go either, although they were listed for longer.

Green wanted to leave, we offered him a 1yr deal but he would rather chance his luck with another club.

I have never rated Edwards and his debut was only good because Bowden is the worst defender in the league for manning up. Edwards cannot kick for jam and we dont need more forwards wasting chances. Also he couldnt be re rookied so he had to be promoted or delisted.

Beck has been on our list for about 5yrs total. He hasnt done a whole lot and we had to cut the 3 players (like you said) so he was the first to go.

I admit the small list sizes make it hard for clubs however, I just dont think the dockers did the right thing terminating a contract. If his contract had expired then I wouldnt have minded.

 

[llosis]

If Stribling is rated below Haines and Webster, well that's a pretty harsh statement on Stribling's ability. That old saying about taking a young kids place on the list is true for these blokes!

Maybe Stribling wasn't a super draft selection in the first place...

 

[theorangeapple]

Maybe Stribling wasn't a super draft selection in the first place...

They didnt have much choice, as the dockers found out, you dont get much in the draft when your first pick is at 57.

 

[ImperialPurple]

In 2003, Freo took:
Mundy (gun)
Peake (very, very good player)
Murphy (developing KPP)
Dunn (been very unlucky with injuries - but highly rated dual U18 AA)
Campbell (project - KPP)

That's 5 players - 4 of whom have debuted, two of them Best 22. That's a pretty good strike rate form one draft just 2 years ago.

They could afford to effectively "sit out" of the 2004 draft because of the crop taken in 2003. (They couldn't afford to sit out 2005 - one year makes little difference; two would.) Freo had little to choose from because of this. Stribling has been unlucky in the harsh world of professional sport... Hopefully he'll get picked up by one of the Adelaide clubs (I say that because at 18 it would be easier to "go home" rather than start again in another new city); or rookied by Freo. If he's considered good enough, he'll still get his chance.