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ABC's 7:30 on New Hird/Dank evidence - 11 April; 3AW/9 Report Text Msg Contents

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Bowakawa said:
> Hird has claimed he was aware of Essendon's supplement plan
> Hird was, and still is adamant that he was unaware of any illegal PEDs used in Essendon's supplement plan
The leaked text messages contradict neither of these statements.
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Did he ever say anything like "I knew the plan quite well, I even take some of the supplements myself "?
 
Bob Neil said:
I feel genuinely sorry for Dons' supporters with a proud club being dragged through the mud like this (and my own club in its own predicament recently). Footy shouldn't be about this type of shit...
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Dragged through the mud? Essendon and your club jumped straight into that mud, no use complaining when you come out looking filthy.
 
1970crow said:
Dirt is not approved for human use and it's not illegal to consume it. I cannot understand why so many posters hang their hat on this. I guess it suits their fantasy and good luck to them. But this is still not going anywhere as far as the players are concerned.
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It is becouse the WADA rules ban substances that are not approved for human use. This is where it gets very grey. Many substances are not approved as such but are used by people and are not banned by health aurthories.

This Ubiquinone stuff appears to be in this grey area. Essendon did admit they where pushing the boundaries. Did they step over? Damned if I know.
 

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Kaiser Powser said:
Well it certainly does...if you want it to.

Or maybe they just realised their club was about to be dragged through the mud for a program that they believed was pushing boundaries but all above board.
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If they were pushing the boundaries then why the "shock to be sitting here". When pushing the boundary you know there is a greater risk that you will step over the boundary. So why the suprise when you do? intentional or not.

I'm not saying there is any evidence of any breaches, but that original press conference stinks of a facade.
 
Mixed Results said:
It was nice knowing you Essendon
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Source: http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/s...ganised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
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Wow-weeeee
 
Kaiser Powser said:
This whole issue still hangs on whether ASADA gives AOD 9608 (? or whatever it is) the the all clear once they are done testing it, or whether they will ban it and possibly Essendon players.

Everything raised today is just the typical media beat up. Will be forgotten about in a fortnight.
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I doubt this man is in the mood for forgetting and forgiving right now.
"As a parent and not just as the CEO of the AFL, the issues as reported surrounding the potential use of various substances ... are disturbing, very disturbing,"

The league boss admitted that he was unsure of the ramifications of the scandal for his sport, terming it "horrible" and "terrible".
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-about-their-duty-of-care-20130411-2hnuo.html
 

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Bowakawa said:
Well he did say that he was aware of legal supplements being taken by players and that he was on a supplement plan himself.
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Cool - I wasn't aware of that line. Where in the presser was it?
 
Tas said:
FDA is the American food and drug administration, they are basically whores to the large drug manufacturers in the USA and they pretty much ban anything they do not manufacture and don't let a lot of products from overseas into the USA. I am not sure I would use the FDA as gospel as to what is fit for human use.

Thre is also a big difference between mass market supplements and ones produced by compound chemists.
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Jen just has a bit of a hard on for the next supreme eff up within the afl so that triggy isn't the most stupid looking moron anymore. She does love her crows though, so god bless her.
 
Frank Grimes said:
If they were pushing the boundaries then why the "shock to be sitting here". When pushing the boundary you know there is a greater risk that you will step over the boundary. So why the suprise when you do? intentional or not.

I'm not saying there is any evidence of any breaches, but that original press conference stinks of a facade.
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A facade? While calling for an investigation.

What would be the point?
 
Chief said:
Is that the drug itself or combined with IV? Was it banned at the time?
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It's from the infamous ACC report that came out when this all started

googling Thymosin TB 500 gives "TB-500 (Thymosin Beta 4) is a synthetic version of the naturally occurring peptide "

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"Earlier this month Spanish police arrested Colombian doctor Alberto Beltrán Niño as part of Operation Skype. At the time of his arrest it's reported he had two new generation doping products in his possession: AICAR (aminoimidazole carboxamide ribonucleotide) and TB-500 (Thymosin Beta 4 Peptide)."
 
Massive astericks over Hird's playing career now too, surely. With his known association with Dr Ageless, and his current taking of WADA banned substances, it's not too much of a stretch to think he was taking banned substances during his playing days also.
 
Mixed Results said:
It's from the infamous ACC report that came out when this all started

googling Thymosin TB 500 gives "TB-500 (Thymosin Beta 4) is a synthetic version of the naturally occurring peptide "

and

"Earlier this month Spanish police arrested Colombian doctor Alberto Beltrán Niño as part of Operation Skype. At the time of his arrest it's reported he had two new generation doping products in his possession: AICAR (aminoimidazole carboxamide ribonucleotide) and TB-500 (Thymosin Beta 4 Peptide)."
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Doesn't match the claims by everyone that Thymosin is not banned.

Also: http://theconversation.com/cronulla-sharks-and-thymosin-beta-4-is-it-doping-12694


In last month’s Australian Crime Commission report into organised crime and drugs in sport, thymosin was listed as a substance used in injury recovery, but the report seemed to be conflicted in terms of thymosin’s legality in sport.

The ACC report listed it as an unregulated substance that is prohibited under section S2 of WADA’s list of substances prohibited in-competition.

But the report also referred to it as a substance prohibited only if “subject to the form used” – a statement on legality which presumably (but not clearly) refers to how the substance is administered (intravenously, by intramuscular means, or orally).
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Section S2:
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
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Baldur said:
It is becouse the WADA rules ban substances that are not approved for human use. This is where it gets very grey. Many substances are not approved as such but are used by people and are not banned by health aurthories.

This Ubiquinone stuff appears to be in this grey area. Essendon did admit they where pushing the boundaries. Did they step over? Damned if I know.
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Has oxygen, in it's natural form, been officially approved for human use?
 
Kaiser Powser said:
Did it though?

Or is that just from you investigative work.
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Well I'll admit that this is only an assumption, but if "Thymosin" was meant as "Thymosin TB-500" then these are the peptides you have been linked to from the very start (as the drug gives of a synthetic version of the natural occuring peptides).

It's on the WADA banned list
 
Chief said:
"For research use only. Not for human, diagnostic or therapeutic use."
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Yeah that's my point. Surely when it says that, it's not approved by WADA/ASADA.
 
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