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Current Abduction of 4yo Blowholes Shacks WA *Terence Kelly Convicted
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Yep. Probably camping at the site that night, or if not he had camped there before. A paedophile, but hasn't necessarily acted upon his impulses previously (but may have, but not to this severity). If camping there, saw his opportunity to take a girl. Or was out specifically looking for an opportunity (possibly at more than one camp site).
Agree if just petty theft - although still some examples of this. but still think could be opportunistic. So many examples of random moments that people have abducted a child.
addittionally IMO planned and strategised abductions seems more unlikely, more dangerous to be caught.
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A male aged 40s with a beard driving a small red car was reported to Police in July 2014 for attempting to abduct a girl at the blow holes campsite.
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'A social media post on a local Carnarvon chat page revealed a girl was approached by a “male aged in his late 40s with a beard” and who was driving a “small red car” at the popular coastal campground in July 2014.
The girl’s mother said she reported the incident to police at the time.'
'“ATTENTION PLEASE BE AWARE...” the mother’s post started.
“The man asked her if she would get in the car and go for a drive.
“She said no and took off straight back to camp.
“Sorry I don’t have a better description as she was quite freaked out.
“The police have bn (sic) notified.
“Good time to remind our precious one (sic) of stranger danger.”'
Warning of attempted abduction at Cleo site years ago
Alarm bells of an attempted abduction at the Blowholes campsite — where it is believed four-year-old Cleo Smith was snatched — were raised more than seven years ago.
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The girl’s mother said she reported the incident to police at the time.'
'“ATTENTION PLEASE BE AWARE...” the mother’s post started.
“The man asked her if she would get in the car and go for a drive.
“She said no and took off straight back to camp.
“Sorry I don’t have a better description as she was quite freaked out.
“The police have bn (sic) notified.
“Good time to remind our precious one (sic) of stranger danger.”'
Yeah electric chair as punishment for whoever next blames the caretaker, the only way to avenge such a tragedy.
If that's what you took from my post then wow, log off and go outside for once.
I'm not the one sooking about possible theorys. If you don't like what you see you can always ignore the posters? I don't think he can be 100% ruled out as of yet so speculation is fine.
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It might inform a bit more if we knew whether any of the other campers noticed anything missing the next morning, it could indicate a thief was in the middle of knocking things off across the site when he overheard Elli and Cleo talking at 1.30am and swtiched agenda.
Speculation that someone is a possible child kidnapper and more than likely murder basically because he seems "weird" is disgraceful and deserves to be called out. If anything it hasn't been called out enough here.
A lot of people who were in that area can't be ruled out 100% but there is nothing on the caretaker as far as the public is aware. Don't sook about being called out. This man has been seen on national TV. How would you feel if it was you or someone you knew?
Decent post to user name correlation.
Oh my God spare me with the 'outrage'. As far as I'm concerned the fact he was there definitely means he can't be ruled out. Ignore me if you don't like it.
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Why is it likely a child abductor/murderer is a campsite thief? I don't see how the two actions are in any way related.
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The agenda could remain the same but the sudden panic of a child about to blow your cover, the subsequent overreaction and then even more panic as they realised they've smothered her then trying to take off to hide the evidence.
I'd do much rather she was scared for a minute than sexually assaulted.
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It's not likely imo and didn't infer that it was but what I was responding to was a campsite 'thief' and it was in that context I raised the question of whether anybody noticed anything missing the following morning.
Anybody who would take a child from their tent though, isn't honest and wouldn't think much about stealing things that didn't belong to them.
Not sure about that ....
Is it true that the driver or passengers of the vehicle that reliable witnesses saw at approx 3am-3.30am on Saturday morning turning out of the camping road on to the main road into town has not come forward / presented to WAPOL...
This is in spite of widespread coverage and media and police appeals for the driver to come forward; so he/she can be eliminated from the investigation....
Assuming the 3am car was not the local "uber" drug delivery service - or had some other unrelated to an abduction reason for being on the roads that the driver does not want to contact the police over ....
... then if it was a simple case of an innocent driver at that intersection at that time; he/she most probably would have had mobile phone on (quickly traceable by specialist law enforcement officers as priority #1) - and regardless ought to have been prepared to come forward.....
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That could be what happened, especially if the offender is inexperienced.
Time could prove me wrong but I don't see the "petty thief elevates to child abduction"
And here's why. Most thefts happen during the day time when thieves are reasonably confident no one is home (must be tough times for Victorian thieves).
We had 3 thieves steal from our garage one evening and I won't go into details but all of us were home at the time, and it was later proven that they knew we were home.
This changed the charge from robbery to aggravated robbery. Even though there was no confrontation or direct threat, the cop told me that the type of thieves that are willing to steal with people in the home are dangerous.
The thief that burgles when no one is home is most likely to bolt if disturbed but the thief who is brazen enough to do it with people home is most likely to use violence if disturbed and usually carry a weapon with them.
We are regular campers and unfortunately theft is common. But again, it generally happens during the day when the thief sees you leave your campsite for the beach or wherever you are going.
We have experienced thefts at night along with other campers but personally I've never heard of thief entering a tent, a caravan or annexe at night. Not to say is doesn't happen though.
The stuff that was most commonly stolen at night were: things left outside, items from boats, items from unlocked cars.
And in my personal experience police never cared to investigate it. They'd just tell campers "this is why we tell you to secure your belongings"
So if a petty thief was seen by a 4 year old girl, there would be no reason to take the girl. The thief can either bolt and if the parents reported the theft most likely not much effort would be made to find them. If parents or police did catch the thief, then even with a criminal record, the thief is not likely to get much of a punishment here in Australia.
Edited to add: the thief willing to inflict violence is unlikely to be stealing from tents at night. They are after the big ticket items that are generally kept at people's residence or businesses.
And here's why. Most thefts happen during the day time when thieves are reasonably confident no one is home (must be tough times for Victorian thieves).
We had 3 thieves steal from our garage one evening and I won't go into details but all of us were home at the time, and it was later proven that they knew we were home.
This changed the charge from robbery to aggravated robbery. Even though there was no confrontation or direct threat, the cop told me that the type of thieves that are willing to steal with people in the home are dangerous.
The thief that burgles when no one is home is most likely to bolt if disturbed but the thief who is brazen enough to do it with people home is most likely to use violence if disturbed and usually carry a weapon with them.
We are regular campers and unfortunately theft is common. But again, it generally happens during the day when the thief sees you leave your campsite for the beach or wherever you are going.
We have experienced thefts at night along with other campers but personally I've never heard of thief entering a tent, a caravan or annexe at night. Not to say is doesn't happen though.
The stuff that was most commonly stolen at night were: things left outside, items from boats, items from unlocked cars.
And in my personal experience police never cared to investigate it. They'd just tell campers "this is why we tell you to secure your belongings"
So if a petty thief was seen by a 4 year old girl, there would be no reason to take the girl. The thief can either bolt and if the parents reported the theft most likely not much effort would be made to find them. If parents or police did catch the thief, then even with a criminal record, the thief is not likely to get much of a punishment here in Australia.
Edited to add: the thief willing to inflict violence is unlikely to be stealing from tents at night. They are after the big ticket items that are generally kept at people's residence or businesses.
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My 2c worth re the caretaker. No doubt he appears to be an eccentric type and also not the sharpest tool in the shed, however accordingly, one would think with some suggestive and coercive tactics during an interview process, he'd crack open like a egg..?
Doesn't mean he isn't/shouldn't be 'a suspect' as anyone within 1000ks was/is - but boy oh boy wowee, it would be one the greatest police investigation blunders in Australian history if it turns out he was somehow involved in this little girl's disappearance..!
There is a difference between someone being a person of interest and f*ckwits on an internet forum thinking someone who has had their face shown on tv should be the main suspect in a child kidnap/murder mainly because they seem odd during an interview.
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There was no demonstrated correlation between thieving and abducting/murdering in WA, until the Claremont Killer (Bradley Robert Edwards) snow-dropping propensity was revealed as being one of the pre-cursor's to his subsequent attempted and actual abducting and murdering of multiple women.
Meanwhile, members and friends of the Campsite Thieving Bastards Association of WA (CTBAWA) are not amused, and will be lodging an anti-discrimination case with FairGo Australia fifthwith.
I put stealing underwear in a different category to non-violent thieves and violent thieves.
I really cannot see that scenario playing out at all...
Logically - how many *petty thieving episodes (*sub $100 worth of stuff to take to Crime Converters) in Australia have ever ended in the murder of a child ...
Then snuffing out a child in a panic in the middle of the night in the midst of dozens of campers; inside someone's tent... not likely...
Petty perp gets overwhelmed in the middle of a petty stealing effort - head or whole body inside the tent ... but panics abd murders a child....
Noise; chaos; parents a mtre away; body extraction and disposal; etc ....
Sorry - not buying that scenario....
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People do desperate things to avoid getting caught breaking community supervision or probation conditions. We are talking about criminals here.
You can picture someone grabbing her after being caught breaking in, whispering "Shhh" and she has her mouth covered but they don't know she can't breathe. That's when the panic would set in when she goes limp.
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Take everyone’s points about burglars looking for small wins being unlikely to escalate to stealing a child, however, I can’t tell you how many cases/sentencing summaries/appeal documents I’ve read where someone breaking and entering has subsequently detained and r*ped the homeowner because the opportunity presented itself. Granted, those have been in homes, but the risk of neighbours hearing hasn’t stopped them entering in the first place, spending an extended period in the house and committing rape.
Another feature of most of those cases has been the use/abuse of alcohol and speed/meth prior to the offence occurring. Maybe those individuals would still have entered the house to steal with or without being fueled up, but the leap to committing more serious crimes seems to be made much easier when inhibitions are removed by other substances.
Personally I think we’ll end up finding out this was a heavy drug user of some sort, regardless of whether or not the car they’re looking for contained the offender, and whether or not the offender was camping at, living at, or visiting the campground for any reason.
I’m not a cop though, and I have absolutely no idea where this thing is headed. It’s shit and I hope they wrap it up soon.
And just on the theft part, they haven’t said what else was taken - I assume they didn’t steal the car keys because the parents said they had driven it to search. But that doesn’t mean that wallets or other valuables weren’t stolen, and it also doesn’t mean that an offender didn’t try and get into their vehicle. I haven’t seen any images of the parent’s vehicle at the campground, so I assume the police seized it fairly quickly after they arrived. With any luck the offender has touched a window or door handle.
Another feature of most of those cases has been the use/abuse of alcohol and speed/meth prior to the offence occurring. Maybe those individuals would still have entered the house to steal with or without being fueled up, but the leap to committing more serious crimes seems to be made much easier when inhibitions are removed by other substances.
Personally I think we’ll end up finding out this was a heavy drug user of some sort, regardless of whether or not the car they’re looking for contained the offender, and whether or not the offender was camping at, living at, or visiting the campground for any reason.
I’m not a cop though, and I have absolutely no idea where this thing is headed. It’s shit and I hope they wrap it up soon.
And just on the theft part, they haven’t said what else was taken - I assume they didn’t steal the car keys because the parents said they had driven it to search. But that doesn’t mean that wallets or other valuables weren’t stolen, and it also doesn’t mean that an offender didn’t try and get into their vehicle. I haven’t seen any images of the parent’s vehicle at the campground, so I assume the police seized it fairly quickly after they arrived. With any luck the offender has touched a window or door handle.
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I never said his motivation was theft for profit. I’m trying to say that he has a strong interest in children. He’s likely a thief as well. Theft may have been why he was there. But seeing an opportunity to get a child was too great for him because he is a pedophile. When I say a criminal record I mean regarding children.
Suppose just wondering why they entered the tent leaving options open? Not necessarily what happened just an option.
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