Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Skip to 2024: Simpson coaching tenure officially ends

[HoneyBadger35]

I'm not a huge fan on reverting back to the expectations from the preseason. I for one was hoping for 5 wins for the year - I didn't go through the fixture and choose which ones I thought they'd be.

After seeing some massive improvement in the wins and the 2 losses to Sydney and Essendon my expectations changed and I thought we should easily have accounted for St Kilda and North. The losses to these 2 have been massively deflating for me and really have illustrated how paper thin our midfield depth is more than anything else.

I don't want Simpson sacked right now, i don't think it'd be ideal. I do however want to see a focus on youth getting games instead of the slow, aging veterans that don't look up to it. I also want to see a serious lift in intensity from the team on game day. If these things don't come I'd like to see him move on by the end of the year.

Get this nuanced shit out of here m8, are you in the phalanx or not?

 

[Tugga27]

I don't understand why it has to come back to expectations set at the start of the year. Why must we temper expectations based on expectations set at the start of the year when it's perfectly reasonable to recalibrate based on results in the season proper?

Based on the earlier results, it's not unreasonable that we should have taken care of St Kilda and Norf. It that comes to fruition, we could very well be sitting with 5 wins leading into the bye. Hell, we could have even rolled Essendon at home.

I feel like you're giving an easy out to pull it back to expectations set at the start of the year. With a good run with injuries, this side is better than what had been served up over the previous 2 years.

But the side is performing better than the last 2 years.

Our percentage has risen from 50 to 70 and we have the same amount of wins.

 

[Bender_]

Get this nuanced shit out of here m8, are you in the phalanx or not?

I'm not entirely sure what a phalanx means, is it a reference to penises?

 

[the harry]

I changed my expectations after the port game. We were awful and would never win again. This was reinforced v Bulldogs.

But when we rolled melbourne and freo I thought we were starting a dynasty and couldn't see us ever losing again.

Now we've lost to north I fully expect to go 1-49 over our next 50.

Some might say this in disingenuous, others may claim recency bias, but it's really just amateur hour.

 

[SAweagle]

I'm not entirely sure what a phalanx means, is it a reference to penises?

Phalanx is a ancient greek military formation, protection from all angles.

 

[Bender_]

Phalanx is a ancient greek military formation, protection from all angles.

Ah, like the ones in the old Asterix arcade game with the shields and spears all over the shop.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm not entirely sure what a phalanx means, is it a reference to penises?

He meant Phallus, "are you the Phallus or not?"

Tell him yes, that'll show 'im.

 

[Bender_]

I changed my expectations after the port game. We were awful and would never win again. This was reinforced v Bulldogs.

But when we rolled melbourne and freo I thought we were starting a dynasty and couldn't see us ever losing again.

Now we've lost to north I fully expect to go 1-49 over our next 50.

Some might say this in disingenuous, others may claim recency bias, but it's really just amateur hour.

Opinions don't need to be hyperbolic on each end of the scale and expectations can change. It's also fair to say we expect a lot more from Jake Waterman now than we did at the start of the season.

 

[Bender_]

He meant Phallus, "are you the Phallus or not?"

Tell him yes, that'll show 'im.

Swinging Phallus Based on what Fox had to say about him bs the BEagles anyway.

 

[woosha24]

I changed my expectations after the port game. We were awful and would never win again. This was reinforced v Bulldogs.

But when we rolled melbourne and freo I thought we were starting a dynasty and couldn't see us ever losing again.

Now we've lost to north I fully expect to go 1-49 over our next 50.

Some might say this in disingenuous, others may claim recency bias, but it's really just amateur hour.

My primary school level Social Studies critical reasoning skills tell me the following:

• Good sides beat Bad sides
• Bad sides beat Even Worse sides
• Norf is The Worst side
• We (a Bad side) lost to Norf (The Worst Side)
• Ergo we are now The Worst Side, and both Good and Bad sides beat The Worst side

Logical conclusion: We will never win another game of football again.
- Therefore: Fold the club

 

[the harry]

Opinions don't need to be hyperbolic on each end of the scale and expectations can change. It's also fair to say we expect a lot more from Jake Waterman now than we did at the start of the season.

Agreed.

But I thought we'd have Allen and a fit Ryan too so swings/ roundabouts.

 

[RookiePick]

Phalanx is a ancient greek military formation, protection from all angles.

Are you trying to trigger all the nerds out there?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

And yet we could have beaten saints and north easily if we competed properly and had 5 wins so your zero percent chance is wrong isn't it?

Two things can be true at the same time mate.

Someone who knows more than me, can I ask if the decision is made to remove him at the end of the season then what does that mean for the Soft Cap?

I am of the view, reducing it further when we probably need to add 2/3 development coaches especially now would be the reason we carry with Simpson to the end of his contract 2025.

Go into 2026, with very experienced Assistants + a few more development coaches. I dont want to give Cox the gig just because he is ex-eagle legend, I want the best no matter where they come from maybe someone like Daniel Giansiracusa but other names should be mentioned like Hanson, Grayham and/or King .etc

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Two things can be true at the same time mate.

Someone who knows more than me, can I ask if the decision is made to remove him at the end of the season then what does that mean for the Soft Cap?

I am of the view, reducing it further when we probably need to add 2/3 development coaches especially now would be the reason we carry with Simpson to the end of his contract 2025.

Go into 2026, with very experienced Assistants + a few more development coaches. I dont want to give Cox the gig just because he is ex-eagle legend, I want the best no matter where they come from maybe someone like Daniel Giansiracusa but other names should be mentioned like Hanson, Grayham and/or King .etc

Mate we have 4 development coaches now, you reckon we need more? Maybe one for each player? Development is not our issue, recruiting is our issue. We have unfortunately recruited players who were not very good footballers.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Mate we have 4 development coaches now, you reckon we need more? Maybe one for each player? Development is not our issue, recruiting is our issue. We have unfortunately recruited players who were not very good footballers.

Pre-covid, I would love to see what resources were scrapped.

And yes, I believe development was one of these services; GCS has a ridiculous set up of an EX-AFL Snr Coach for their NGA.

But sure, recruitment has been the issue for the last five years if you believe all our selections were not very good footballers instead of us providing them with the environment to get the best out of them.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Pre-covid, I would love to see what resources were scrapped.

And yes, I believe development was one of these services; GCS has a ridiculous set up of an EX-AFL Snr Coach for their NGA.

But sure, recruitment has been the issue for the last five years if you believe all our selections were not very good footballers instead of us providing them with the environment to get the best out of them.

I think many times AFL clubs recruit players who athletic ability and clubs believe they can turn them into good footballers. All clubs recruit players who don't live up to their potential, that happens at all levels and AFL is no different. I think you can also get unlucky over a period of time and recruit many who are not as good as thought to be and maybe thats where we seem to be sitting. We also seem to take a very long period of time to find out if they can play or not.

I am just saying mate that adding two more development coaches doesn't mean our players will develop better next year, there is many facets of development. But ultimately I still will back in a very good under age footballer has more chance to become a good footballer at AFL level than a fast super fit, super strong great athlete that you think you can turn into a footballer.

The environment has been there for them to prosper, a few things unfortunately like massive injury run in the club hasn't helped. But we have great facilities, the State League we play in is a very strong league.

Just don't think other than the talent issue there is much wrong.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Are you trying to trigger all the nerds out there?

I'm not doing the merry go round with ya mate.
Save it for someone else.

 

[15yearmember]

Burgiel and Johnson are in the Beagles learning the Gaff role. Hall, Trew and Culley learning the Sheed role. HEdwards and Bazzo the Gov and Barrass role. Dewar, Long the Cripps role. The plan is taking shape it just takes time. In the meantime to win we need every senior player to be in form and Reid to play like Judd. Easy. I'm not sure changing the coach who will have a different game style and player preferences accelerates a rebuild. We are going to be shit for a while yet.

This is exactly what’s wrong with our club.

Simmo’s game plan and the roles in it, haven’t worked for years. Simmo defaults to the old, he doesn’t innovate. He also pigeon holes players.

If you want to turn over a list, the first thing you do is get a fresh set of eyes to see what’s on it currently, if some of the players are more than Simmo sees and allows.

Also the culture, in performance, has stagnated - that’s 100% on Simmo starting with the excuses (masquerading as empathy) during the COVID in Qld debacle. It’s been downhill since. He’s developed nothing, changed little and he’s a net negative.

We’ve needed the circuit breaker for at least a year.

 

[kranky al]

I'm not a huge fan on reverting back to the expectations from the preseason. I for one was hoping for 5 wins for the year - I didn't go through the fixture and choose which ones I thought they'd be.

After seeing some massive improvement in the wins and the 2 losses to Sydney and Essendon my expectations changed and I thought we should easily have accounted for St Kilda and North. The losses to these 2 have been massively deflating for me and really have illustrated how paper thin our midfield depth is more than anything else.

I don't want Simpson sacked right now, i don't think it'd be ideal. I do however want to see a focus on youth getting games instead of the slow, aging veterans that don't look up to it. I also want to see a serious lift in intensity from the team on game day. If these things don't come I'd like to see him move on by the end of the year.

This.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

We’ve all obviously noted outstanding individual performances of Harley Reid and Jake Waterman

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Jake Waterman

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

2star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.8

5star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

’s performance this year, credit to those guys
At a team level we’ve seen them able to perform at a very high level, eg Freo game.
The inability of the team with a crap load of quality AFL players to consistently play at an acceptable level is the main reason I want Simmo gone, a coach must be able to motivate players to perform, it’s the coaches job to put that back on the players and demand performance, Adam Simpson doesn’t have the ability to do that.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I honestly want Waterman to win the B&F.


Bloke tries his absolute Robbie Nahas off each week, gets asked to do all sorts of jobs, at the moment playing as our focal point up forward alongside 2 potato's (Darling and Williams).

From what he's come back from, i couldn't be happier for the bloke. Been a man possessed since that Richmond game. Just wish we could've firstly kept him on the park, then kept the supply coming into him so he could've given the Coleman a proper crack.

Averaging 3 goals a game for the 2nd worst team in the comp accross the first 11 games

Really hope we don't suddenly shun him because captain Allen is returning.

As far as i'm concerned Jake > Allen at the moment.





But i digress, this is the wrong thread. Sack Simpson.

 

[RookiePick]

I honestly want Waterman to win the B&F.


Bloke tries his absolute Robbie Nahas off each week, gets asked to do all sorts of jobs, at the moment playing as our focal point up forward alongside 2 potato's (Darling and Williams).

From what he's come back from, i couldn't be happier for the bloke. Been a man possessed since that Richmond game. Just wish we could've firstly kept him on the park, then kept the supply coming into him so he could've given the Coleman a proper crack.

Averaging 3 goals a game for the 2nd worst team in the comp accross the first 11 games





But i digress, this is the wrong thread. Sack Simpson.

Snake Waterman absolutely feeding it to the haters is making this season much more tolerable.

 

[Barrybran]

Yes it’s a business. And sacking a bloke with 18 months left on his contract “on massive coin” and bringing in someone else, and paying them a sizeable amount too, to take on our shitshow of a list and in all likelihood turn out similar results, simply isn’t a sensible business decision.

This post should be pinned

 

[Grahame]

Re Simmo I think it would have made sense to pay him out at the end of last year. Now? Let’s wait till season’s end - not much point hyperventilating until then.

That said, I don’t think ‘motivation’ is only down to the coach. I wonder if it would be such a problem if Hodge or JSelwood were heading the leadership group. Not slagging either Duggan or our other (off field) captain. It might just be we don’t have an over abundance of really strong no BS leaders.

 

[Smotie2]

Re Simmo I think it would have made sense to pay him out at the end of last year. Now? Let’s wait till season’s end - not much point hyperventilating until then.

That said, I don’t think ‘motivation’ is only down to the coach. I wonder if it would be such a problem if Hodge or JSelwood were heading the leadership group. Not slagging either Duggan or our other (off field) captain. It might just be we don’t have an over abundance of really strong no BS leaders.

Simmo in a press conference said aggressive yelling and abuse (my paraphrasing) only worked roughly every 10 games so judging by our win over Freo we can assume there was "strong no BS" words spoken back then which means we have roughly 2 games before it will work on the group again.