Rumour Adelaide Crows camp

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radiojake said:
without knowing exactly what happened at the camp, it seems apparent they were trying to build some kind of mental resilience in the group

this is the part that pisses me off the most because the group had a legitimate tragedy happen to them all only 2 and a bit years earlier with Phil Walsh - They'd already gone through that kind of bonding and emotional stress
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They also lost Dean Bailey as well to cancer and then also Sam Jacobs brother as well.

The group certainly has had a few tough years that's for sure.

Based on that I see your point.
 

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Cotchins Hair Piece said:
The players were blindfolded and stood next to one another. Each player had to hold the penis of the player to the left of them. Absolutely bizarre.
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That is surely taking the Power stance too far .......... or at the least a heavy "left wing" stronghold at Collective Minds .
 
burge13 said:
Players better hope details never emerge. If it does and they weren't literally tortured they will be a laughing stock

Still whinging about the camp years on then it comes out 'we had to camp in the rain' or something equally as weak; be good to know we got rid of those soft players.
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According to Gilbert McAdam...told re racism they should "get over it". A genuine Warlpirri man spoken to by someone who claimed they were a Warlpirri man but wasn't.

Soft? I know it casts your club in a bad light but your lack of empathy is embarrassing.
 
Cotchins Hair Piece said:
The players were blindfolded and stood next to one another. Each player had to hold the penis of the player to the left of them. Absolutely bizarre.
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No way did everybody go along with that. Even in a pressure environment, there would have been plenty of "I ain't touching anyone's junk for anything" present. But maybe that's where it went awry - the refusal of some players to do it could cause a big disturbance. Whatever happened, that's pretty much the most bizarre and ridiculous team-building exercise I've ever heard of.
 
Ando727 said:
No way did everybody go along with that. Even in a pressure environment, there would have been plenty of "I ain't touching anyone's junk for anything" present. But maybe that's where it went awry - the refusal of some players to do it could cause a big disturbance. Whatever happened, that's pretty much the most bizarre and ridiculous team-building exercise I've ever heard of.
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I'm pretty sure I posted the evidence in this thread before, but the mankind project is pretty much a literal cult which consciously targets AA meetings for vulnerable people in the US and has a weird obsession with nudity and the penis. The guy who ran this particular camp is a nutter who grew up in a commune in Nimbin as well.
 
Background information on the people behind the Crows camp, which to me personally makes it quite clear the players weren't 'soft':



Regarding the professional credibility of the setup:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...roup-that-ran-crows-camp-20180328-p4z6qt.html
Bond, who is still practising privately as a sports psychologist, says there is no listing of Woulfe or his right-hand man, Derek Leddie, on the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency’s register of practitioners.

“He’s not a registered psychologist and he certainly doesn't have an endorsement,” Bond said.

On the website www.thesoulspace.com.au, Woulfe’s "qualifications and training" reads:

"Amon is trained in a range of coaching, assessment and training approaches, including Vertical Mindset Assessment and Coaching, Power Stage Assessment and Coaching, and more. He integrates these coaching approaches with extensive experience in the leadership field, and through a long-time involvement with the national masculinity and men’s work community."

But Bond said: “I’ve got no idea what any of that is any I’ve been in the game for over 40 years now.”
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Regarding co-founder Amon Woulfe's credibility:
https://thechieflife.com/tcl-podcast-ep-76/
Amon comes from a diverse background, being born into a hippie community, living in over 60 dwellings including tents, caravans, housing and more. From a $130 Million start up to following his creative routes in music to now diving deep into mindset, Amon has battled adversity and become a true warrior from working through it.

Amon talks about being a warrior both physically and emotionally. He explains how we bring this to fruition through our 4 brains. Your head, heart, gut and testicles or ovaries, along with how you build the ability to up and down regulate those brains.

Amon explains the 5 main brainwaves and their functions.

Delta – Recovery

Theta – Creativity/Intuition (subconscious mind)

Alpha – Calm/Single focus/Athlete Zone (zone of peak focus)

Beta – Short term cognition/Simple processing/Fight or flight/Stress state

Gamma – Flow state
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Relevant video from Woulfe's youtube channel:


Regarding co-founder Derek Leddie's psychology credentials:
https://www.ahri.com.au/stateconferences/adelaide/speakers
Derek Leddie is the former founder of multi-million market research group The Leading Edge. Derek brings a strong record of success from leading, high-performance and results driven businesses.

Derek built The Leading Edge from the ground up. He created and led a high performance senior team that delivered 15 years of 20 per cent plus growth. The business had a turnover of $36 million and a profit of $6.5 million before he sold the business in 2008. Derek spent the following five years utilising his extensive market research skills to study, analyse and practice non-conventional philosophies on driving mind performance and to explore the world of neuroscience.
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Regarding the reputation of the 'Mankind Project' in the past:
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/naked-men-the-mankind-project-and-michael-scinto-6587139
Scinto initially agreed to sign up and pay the $650 for The ManKind Project's New Warrior Training Adventure several weeks earlier after hearing about it from his Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor, Kim Sawyer. Like everyone else who attended, Scinto was not told what the weekend would specifically entail. He signed several confidentiality contracts and liability waivers and filled out a medical questionnaire, but was promised all activities were voluntary and he could leave at any time. Plus, of course, he trusted his sponsor. Sawyer, a business coach who counsels corporate clients on how to run more effective businesses, had been Scinto's sponsor for about eight months. Sawyer joined The ManKind Project more than a decade earlier and sold the idea to Scinto, telling him it would be the best thing he could do for himself.

"So many of the character defects that eat you [sic] lunch can be replaced by strengths and skills and understandings you'll discover from this training. It will be the best Return on Investment you ever got," Sawyer wrote to Scinto in an e-mail before the initiation.

As Scinto became increasingly distraught at the retreat, staff members fetched Sawyer, who later told police that Scinto was crying and explained that he had unearthed a traumatic childhood memory. Sawyer told Scinto that leaving would be difficult and that it would be best if he expressed his thoughts and worries openly with the group.
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In a letter to the sheriff's office, he detailed some of the rituals and activities he witnessed:

• Blindfolded walking tours in the nude;

• People blowing sage smoke in his face while 50 or so naked men danced around candles;

• Men sitting naked in a circle discussing their sexual histories while passing a wooden dildo called "The ****";

• Naked men beating cooked chickens with a hammer.

At the end of the third and final day of the retreat, the leaders and staff members herded the initiates into the main room.

"They threatened us with imprisonment," wrote Scinto. "They said that if we were married to tell the wives we loved them. They told us not to discuss any of the process that we went through. Then they let us leave."

Fifteen days later, on July 25, 2005, Scinto's father and sister found him dead, rotting in his apartment from a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head.

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"They don't recruit in the classic sense," says Bob. "It's more subtle. They don't push it, but they reintroduce it to you every time they talk to you and suggest that you might want to try it. Members tell you it helped them clear up things from their past and allowed them to trust other men. And that's the hook. "

After researching the program on the Internet, Bob decided it wasn't for him. But that didn't mean he was free and clear of the group.
Bob was friends with a man attending his 12-step group who he considered extremely fragile. Members of The ManKind Project began "honing in" on him, says Bob, and he warned the man not to attend, fearing he might suffer psychological damage from the stressful program. When members of The ManKind Project learned of Bob's warning, they became angry.

"They went after me in subtle ways," says Bob. "People started gossiping about me in a negative way behind my back, and it became very uncomfortable to attend my (12-step) meetings. I had to change meetings, but even that wasn't very effective because members are in all the meetings. It's scary because they know all your secrets, and physical and emotional retaliation or blackmail is possible. It's like a virus here in Houston."
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On Mankind Project philosophy:
https://mankindproject.org/phearing-phallus-sexuality-and-nudity-nwta/
Men have penises. The penis will be a part of any candid discussion about male sexuality. Men have unrealistic expectations and fears about their bodies, and especially their penises. A phallus is a metaphorical representation of that fear and insecurity. The fact that entire articles have been written about the ManKind Project with the focus on this symbol is evidence of just how frightening it is to many. The use of a wooden phallus as a ‘talking stick’ for a single process dealing directly with male sexuality on the NWTA has become sensationalized in some articles as if there is something unseemly or sexual going on, when in truth it is used simply as a metaphorical anchor for a very necessary discussion.
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Regarding Collective Minds professional reputation in the present:
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/mind-t...afl-camp/fb84f22e-95bc-40f0-ab11-f656d998b780
Australia's peak psychologist body has warned AFL clubs desperately seeking an edge over their competitors that they are putting the mental health of their players at risk if they use unqualified mind gurus.

The Australian Psychological Society (APS) issued the warning on the same day the company behind Adelaide's disastrous pre-season camp attempted damage control.
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Richard Pryor said:
I'm pretty sure I posted the evidence in this thread before, but the mankind project is pretty much a literal cult which consciously targets AA meetings for vulnerable people in the US and has a weird obsession with nudity and the penis. The guy who ran this particular camp is a nutter who grew up in a commune in Nimbin as well.
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I can understand how these creeps latch on to desperate people like alcoholics, but it's disturbing to think that a modern football club could get its players in such a psychologically weakened state that they can't even defend their own boundaries just to be a loyal team-member. I wonder if the club discouraged contact with friends and family too - you normally see isolation used as a tool in there sorts of situations.
 
Cotchins Hair Piece said:
The players were blindfolded and stood next to one another. Each player had to hold the penis of the player to the left of them. Absolutely bizarre.
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So after getting their pants pulled down and being violated in the 2017 Grand Final, they decided to repeat the dose in their pre-season camp?
 
they're all just insane american idiots. psychotic "experiments" by deranged lunatics with no qualification in anything of note. i can't believe that kind of sick scientology-esque shit actually came into the AFL and became such a huge thing and tore through a playing group with proper potential. it's sad that a footy club was infiltrated by that crap.

(my only post about the crows but not shitting on them in history)
 
jumboprince said:
I still find it hard to believe that anything organised by Brett Burton would fail this badly
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I find it hard to believe Burton went and threatened to sue the Crows for "tarnishing his reputation" after we fired him.

Dickhead did a good enough job tarnishing it on his own without needing any help from anyone. Guy has been an absolute failure in every post playing career job he's had. Arrogant, know-it-all tosser who would be making minimum wage if he didn't used to be a football player in a small city where that's a huge deal.
 
MRB37 said:
I find it hard to believe Burton went and threatened to sue the Crows for "tarnishing his reputation" after we fired him.

Dickhead did a good enough job tarnishing it on his own without needing any help from anyone. Guy has been an absolute failure in every post playing career job he's had. Arrogant, know-it-all tosser who would be making minimum wage if he didn't used to be a football player in a small city where that's a huge deal.
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I think this company might head hunt him EE733D2B-1BDE-4670-A044-7CB4CDB36FE7.jpeg
 
burge13 said:
I'm fine with Burton being locked up but that's irrelevant to this earth-shattering news someone who isn't Warlpirri telling someone who is Warlpirri to 'move on'...
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It wasn't that aspect that upset some. It was that they used a paid actor to play an "Elder" who tore strips of the Indigenous boys, that made them so upset after going to the camp that is internally at the club, known as "Brett Burtons picnic at hanging ****"
 

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