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Well they cope fine at Lunch and Tea at the cricket. Sure there's queues but that's expected.
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Here's a few shots I took around the ground before play on Day 2
This is the press box on the left and the Channel 9 (middle) and ABC (right) commentary positions, on the back of the Northern mound at the western side. So the north-western light tower is a bit to the right of this shot.
W.M. Lawry can be seen presiding over proceedings above the middle "Commonwealth Bank" sign.
This is the press box on the left and the Channel 9 (middle) and ABC (right) commentary positions, on the back of the Northern mound at the western side. So the north-western light tower is a bit to the right of this shot.
W.M. Lawry can be seen presiding over proceedings above the middle "Commonwealth Bank" sign.
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The drop-in wickets are out the back next to the Oval No. 2 nets.
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Southern stand, taken from the Members' stand. You can see how much they have shortened the field by for this summer - the concrete players' races for the footy changerooms indicate where the fence will be.
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I havnt been able to find exactly what I'm looking for, something that shows the amenties, kind of like this: http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/guests/gueststStadiumMaps.cfm
or something closer to home;
http://www.aamistadium.com.au/artman2/uploads/1/AAMI_Stadium_Map_2012.pdf
The only thing resembling a map for Adelaide oval that I've found is this (and another 3, just split up slightly differently: http://www.cricketsa.com.au/library/AO_seating_12-13_Test_Days1-4.pdf
I think I heard that in the Western Stand, all food and drink amenities are on ground level, so people from the grand stand have to come down at the breaks?
I'm just wondering if the Eastern Side will be like that, or if it'll be in the same mold as the MCG where there are amenities on higher levels.
btw, nice photos. I cant wait for footy to be there (or a sellout t20)
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Final one that I took, it took ages to upload for some reason.
Here you can see the Eastern stand coming together. I didn't realise how deep the excavation was before I went to take this because from high in the Western you think it's ground level.
Here you can see the Eastern stand coming together. I didn't realise how deep the excavation was before I went to take this because from high in the Western you think it's ground level.
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Details like that come out once the final placings of who sells what there are decided, which is nearer completion.
Western stand was designed to watch cricket and then socialise/eat out the back on the Village Green.
This was a bit of a mistake from the design as people don't necessarily want to go all the way to ground level for lunch. There are some changes in this being made but there's not heaps they could ever have done as they had the design constraint of the old archways.
Other stands at AO won't have a Village Green-style area behind them and will be set up more as stadium grandstands - the entrances will be part of the stands themselves, like MCG/Etihad as opposed to "enter the area then go into the stand", so I'm expecting amenities on all levels, and some changes regarding this where they can in the Western, so that, as has been identified as an important feature "no spectator will be more than 40m from a food/drink outlet".
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That's good to hear, thanks for that htp 
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Because it's a FIFA regulation that the venue cannot be used for anything for a certain time before an international match.
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I hear that a bit but I get the impression it's bullshit.
I hear that a bit but I get the impression it's bullshit.
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For normal Internationals or WC Qualifiers, there is no time limit on use before or after - see footage of Socceroos games at the MCG where you can still see the AFL markings and logos fading away because there was AFL played there on Sunday and the Socceroos are there on Tuesday or Wednesaday.
For a World Cup FIFA takes control of the venue for (I think) a month before, to ensure it is completely set up how they want it and is completely "clean" of outside advertising etc.
This was an issue discussed re Australia hosting the WC because the amount of time the venues would be out of action for AFL/Rugby/etc was massive.
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Similar to the above.. Wembley had to be clean for 2 weeks before the UEFA Champions League final (UEFA not FIFA I know) so the FA Cup had to be played earlier than normal.
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Wait and see how they play.
I'm optimistic that anybody with Les Burdett at their right-hand giving advice, and with a long apprenticeship under him, can create a drop-in pitch that plays like AO. And they've started off on the right foot - same soil as the centre block, as close as possible to the same growing conditions (on the back oval), etc. Pitch technology has come a long way since the MCG got drop-ins; they've improved those ones and imagine how much better ours can be given we're starting from scratch and learning from their mistakes.
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Purely playing devils advocate here, but Les Burdett also curated the ANZ Stadium pitches, and so far they've been disasters.
I don't think the Adelaide Oval drop-ins will be as bad as ANZ's, and while it appears that the Adelaide Oval drop-in's are being developed to be some of the best, we're never really going to know until matches are played on the new drop-in wickets.
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All true.
ANZ stadium pitches are grown in the south-eastern corner of the ground (not sure what the soil compilation is) but aren't subject to the best care in the world (get damp a lot, don't dry quickly, etc). They had nothing to "go with" at ANZ, just "build us a cricket pitch, here's some soil", is my bet.
AO - design brief is strongly "we want Adelaide Oval pitches that we can pull out in winter". Essentially, "we want people to not know the difference, or think that we've just heli-craned the whole block out for the footy and then dropped it back in place for the cricket.
But you're correct. we'll have to wait and see. And it may take a couple of seasons to perfect them - similar to howafter they re-laid the pitches at the 'Gabba after Olympic soccer.
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I'm a purest when it comes to cricket. I'm just against the whole idea really.
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Understandable. IMO it's not like they're playing on an astroturf mat on top of concrete...there's still clay and dirt, with grass on top, rolled within an inch of its life. It's just that you can pull them out so they don't get damaged by winter sports.
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I was sceptical about drop-ins but when it came to the Oval vote I reasoned that it wasn't worth endangering the entire redevelopment over it. A leap of faith required though, since there is no going back if they turn out to be a disaster.
On a different subject, anyone who thinks cricket matches won't contribute much to AO's revenue needs to spend a day on the Village Green during a Test match. I don't think I ever saw less than 2-3000 people out there at any stage of Friday or Saturday (the only days I went) and everyone had some purchased food and/or drink with them. The match-day dining was also sold out on both of those days. The SACA members area is a money-printing machine on match-days.
On a different subject, anyone who thinks cricket matches won't contribute much to AO's revenue needs to spend a day on the Village Green during a Test match. I don't think I ever saw less than 2-3000 people out there at any stage of Friday or Saturday (the only days I went) and everyone had some purchased food and/or drink with them. The match-day dining was also sold out on both of those days. The SACA members area is a money-printing machine on match-days.
How many of these match days are there each year, specifically the money printing type?
I see the SACA is moving about on its spending of cash freed up by the Adelaide Oval deal, within cricket, but footy needs to be careful in dealing with this mob.
The AFL clubs have to deal with the Leigh Whicker and the SNAFL, Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud Party are more transperent and conciliatory than those arseclowns. Cricket is the least of anybodies worries. But in a typical Adelaide mentallity, the ghost of Don Bradman's SACA of the 1970's looms large, those campaigners have long memories.
They just need to pay their way, not free load on footy.
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I have reasonably extensive experience in stadium venues (mainly in Aus and US). Many US catering managers use to drool when hearing us talk about Cricket events.
Sure Adelaide Oval might only have one 5 day test match and two ODIs each year for a total of 7 days... but say only 4 those days a "full" patronage (first 3 days of the test and an Aussie ODI). This might not seem like no comparison to say AFL which has 22 days of events... but the killer for making $ on game day is the attendance time.
A person attending the cricket (either test of ODI) is likely to have between 6-10 hours TIA (Time In Attendance) on game-day. A person attending the AFL that TIA drops to about 2-4 hours. People spending 2-4 hours TIA are much less likely to consume and spend $ at an event, because they can easily eat/drink before and after the event. People spending 6-10 TIA are much more likely to consume some type of products, even if they BYO... anywhere from a $4 drink to $50 on food and drinks throughout the day. Also because the cricket events are once a year... people are more likely to "make a day" of it and spend more than on a fortnightly H&A game.
The following is simply a hypothetical comparison...
Cricket
- 20,000 people for 4 days = 80,000
- 10,000 people for 3 days = 30,000
- average spend $20 per person
= 110,000 * $20
= $2.2 million
AFL
- 35,000 people * 11 = 385,000
- 19,000 people * 11 = 209,000
- average spend $5
= 594,000 * $5
= $2.97 million
* the above is before deducting things like running costs etc, which would impact the AFL more due to their event spread.
** AFL gets nearly 6 times more people to their games, but people spend no where near as much.
*** The Ashes series only is huge... in fact the home series every 3/4 years use to be enough to support cricket during the non-Ashes summers.
