Moved Thread Adrian Dodoro - Lodged a dispute with FairWork. Paid out. Gone. #putoutyourjackets

[Nicholas61]

We prioritise fast twitch players with power and burst speed.

It can be and often is incompatible with natural endurance, which makes it a lot harder to build that capacity.

So it’s not that we deliberately pick players with no endurance, so much as deliberately picking players who have x-factor.


Meanwhile the game has changed, there’s more running than ever, there’s less interchanges, and all y’all can talk about is whether they have a few extra cm on their skin folds and why we don’t have enough icing on a half baked cake.

The thing is the endurance guys end up looking quicker anyhow because the fast twitch type is cooked easier and resorts to jogging. The Richmond game all top 5 runners (I think they showed it in the 3rd qtr) were their guys. Such is the lack of science that BrunoV keeps banging his head on the wall about. Dodoro seems to have gone in thinking if you push the guys to run enough in the pre season they will now have endurance. As Ant pointed out with 4 fitness guys it is likely the wrong profile player being taken. The total lack of science in our drafting with athletic profiles means we can't play a modern game style.

 

[Lore]

The thing is the endurance guys end up looking quicker anyhow because the fast twitch type is cooked easier and resorts to jogging. The Richmond game all top 5 runners (I think they showed it in the 3rd qtr) were their guys. Such is the lack of science that BrunoV keeps banging his head on the wall about. Dodoro seems to have gone in thinking if you push the guys to run enough in the pre season they will now have endurance. As Ant pointed out with 4 fitness guys it is likely the wrong profile player being taken. The total lack of science in our drafting with athletic profiles means we can't play a modern game style.

We had a one-paced core midfield in around 2014, nearly all drafted under Sheedy. Been trying to fix it with tall athletic flankers ever since (Merrett, Langford, etc), even though that one-paced core midfield is long gone.

 

[The Dustbin]

Way too many small players who have zero physical presence or have some like Hobbs but it’ doesn’t stack up compared to the opposition. We don’t have one physical imposing key position or midfielder.

Scoring from defence in chains has proven its not sustainable, I’d be surprised if Scott ran with that in year 2. He can’t be that stupid to see it should only be used against certain teams, and not every team making us so predictable.

This is not the club I was brought up on. Back in the day admittedly in different eras, but still when did we have a Solly, Johnson’s, Wally, Barnard, TD, Merrett, even Tony Antrobus showed some bloody grunt. Hurls probably comes close.

Dodoro should’ve have been gone years ago, hopefully he farks off end of year despite what Vozzo has said.

 

[citizen-erased]

Lets be honest.
The list has holes everywhere

Its partly the list team, its partly development, and partly conditioning/fitness

Club needs a circuit breaker whereby fingers stop getting pointed and broad accountability is enforced

For Dodoro's part, the questions are too glaring around filling needs/gaps and fwd planning adequately.

Key backs too skinny
We've lacked 2 quality, afl standard kpf's since '07
Mids are too samey
Project ruck after project ruck after project ruck
And they are all too nice. Too few of our guys are unwilling to run through the opposition.

But you cant lay it squarely there
Was dwelling this morning on how cooked shiel has looked. Yet another player who hits 30 in red and black and looks done. Yet for the first 4 years looked like he could easily go to mid 30s.

 

[Westlo]

Scott said he threw he weight behind it.

Of course he did, even if he disagrees he has tact and has to work with the player going forward, what did you seriously expect him to say?

He's not going to pull a Sheedy and bitch about it.

 

[BratPack]

I've said it before and I'll keep right on saying it.

We will never win another final as long as Dodoro is still there

 

[yodellinhank]

We prioritise fast twitch players with power and burst speed.

It can be and often is incompatible with natural endurance, which makes it a lot harder to build that capacity.

So it’s not that we deliberately pick players with no endurance, so much as deliberately picking players who have x-factor.


Meanwhile the game has changed, there’s more running than ever, there’s less interchanges, and all y’all can talk about is whether they have a few extra cm on their skin folds and why we don’t have enough icing on a half baked cake.

Stringer been into the cakes again?

 

[BrunoV]

Of course he did, even if he disagrees he has tact and has to work with the player going forward, what did you seriously expect him to say?

He's not going to pull a Sheedy and bitch about it.

You're not getting the point, probably because you don't want to.

Everything Brad Scott has done is geared toward an open, un-hardball game. That's the starting point for Brad's elite program.

I use that stupid term 'hard ball' to differentiate it from the contested game because that term is polluted by CD's statistical category 'contested possessions' which, as a broader category, are essentially mislabelled because they are actually 'ball in dispute' possessions. The two main categories of possession are differentiated based on whether a ball is received directly from a team mate.

And when have we been at our worst this season? When our weaklings get crushed in the hardball.

Edit: I should clarify that CD defines the category of possessions under physical pressure as hardball gets. They are a subset of contested possessions.

 

[maskmcgee]

How old is he

 

[Nicholas61]

Key backs too skinny

We are a club of what not to do in recruiting. Getting super skinny talls means you are waiting anywhere from 5-7 years for them to fill out properly if in fact they do. It becomes difficult to plan where they fit in the clubs talent cycle because you are waiting so long. Push them too quick to fill out and play and we end up with the disaster of this year and we possibly (if they don't get up) need to go back to the well of getting young tall talent and waiting another few years for them to fill out.

It isn't all doom and gloom, we have talent but like Sheeds said when he came to Windy Hill originally we need a different type of player to some who seem permanent lock ins at the moment. No more guys who are not competitive and also have crap disposal. Hopefully a bit of luck and good management with HJ, Hunter and Reid.

 

[Here_we_come]

We are a club of what not to do in recruiting. Getting super skinny talls means you are waiting anywhere from 5-7 years for them to fill out properly if in fact they do. It becomes difficult to plan where they fit in the clubs talent cycle because you are waiting so long. Push them too quick to fill out and play and we end up with the disaster of this year and we possibly (if they don't get up) need to go back to the well of getting young tall talent and waiting another few years for them to fill out.

It isn't all doom and gloom, we have talent but like Sheeds said when he came to Windy Hill originally we need a different type of player to some who seem permanent lock ins at the moment. No more guys who are not competitive and also have crap disposal. Hopefully a bit of luck and good management with HJ, Hunter and Reid.

Good points. And when the skinny talls peak (if indeed they make it at all, as you point out), it’s around the time they’re approaching free agency so other club’s are circling.

It’s such a dumb strategy. And after all that effort in taking skinny talls, we still haven’t had a very good key forward since Lloyd.

 

[citizen-erased]

We are a club of what not to do in recruiting. Getting super skinny talls means you are waiting anywhere from 5-7 years for them to fill out properly if in fact they do. It becomes difficult to plan where they fit in the clubs talent cycle because you are waiting so long. Push them too quick to fill out and play and we end up with the disaster of this year and we possibly (if they don't get up) need to go back to the well of getting young tall talent and waiting another few years for them to fill out.

It isn't all doom and gloom, we have talent but like Sheeds said when he came to Windy Hill originally we need a different type of player to some who seem permanent lock ins at the moment. No more guys who are not competitive and also have crap disposal. Hopefully a bit of luck and good management with HJ, Hunter and Reid.

we say it's not all doom and gloom every 3-4 years though
this offseason really needs to be the circuit breaker. Adrian and Rob really can't be precious about the picks they've taken in the past.

 

[Nicholas61]

we say it's not all doom and gloom every 3-4 years though
this offseason really needs to be the circuit breaker. Adrian and Rob really can't be precious about the picks they've taken in the past.

Agreed at this point we just need to be better at moving on guys who don't fit the modern game - Mick Malthouse like ruthlessness. Look at Carlton getting Newman and Acres for example. I know there is Setterfield but that is what we need to keep doing. Look out for guys who fit the balance required and wont cost a mint.

 

[windyhill]

Stubborn ? Lack of self awareness ? Egotistical? Stupid ? Got Kevin in his corner ? Got coteries in his corner ? Bloody minded ? carlton supporter? ****wit ?
Mix of all above.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Seems to me he's so rusted on it might be easier to simply create a new club and move everything over except Dodoro and Sheedy

 

[yodellinhank]

Seems to me he's so rusted on it might be easier to simply create a new club and move everything over except Dodoro and Sheedy

That's the thing - it's their club. Check the honour board.

 

[the PILL]

Dodoro is/was, has been a straight up gambler with other peoples money.

Always looking for that flukey hand, roll, number to come up and it does every now and then with his drafting and trading which covers his ass for the many other losing hands he's played and wasted, instead of genuine good strategic with the times drafting and trading...

People bang on about the singular saga restrictions crucifying us and the long term effect etc... This guy has stuffed up multiple drafts, traded in questionables and here we are in a long term cycle of mediocrity...

We have been living his damage over and over in some strange groundhog day. Decades have actually gone by!

Makes me laugh when I hear he's been diminished... Why the hell do we need someone whos clearly failed still there in a diminished capacity? It's just dumb!!!

Get rid of him ASAP and anyone that supports him...

 

[thepokey]

The thing with Dodo for me is that he has been there so long that of course he's gonna have some wins when it comes to players chosen, so there are always going to be those who argue for him. But to have been there for as long as he has with as little success as we have had and to be in such a vital role ... like, it's time.

 

[Here_we_come]

The Round That Was With Rohan Connolly (Round 23) - 3AW is Football

omny.fm

RoCo has now turned on dodo. Nothing new in this but all very good points.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

If I were Vozzo and Scott, having Dodo in my hand would be perfect.

Diminish his power, but still have him there. Why get rid of him now? It’s year one. Let’s see how things go. If we are in year three and we are still bottom half of the table, then he is used as the scapegoat. The supporters will be pleased, gives a bit more time for Scott and Vozzo to turn things around.

That’s the glass half full thinking.

 

[Here_we_come]

Why get rid of him now? How about this reason: he’s completely incompetent and has demonstrated that for more than 2 decades.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Why get rid of him now? How about this reason: he’s completely incompetent and has demonstrated that for more than 2 decades.

I agree with you. I’m just saying that if I were in Scotts shoes, having him as a scapegoat when things turn to shit is a positive for him.

 

[Here_we_come]

I see things a bit differently. If I were Scott, I’d desperately want someone who was capable of building me a competitive list involved. Without that, I don’t see him lasting, which is a shame as I rate Scott.

 

[the PILL]

I agree with you. I’m just saying that if I were in Scotts shoes, having him as a scapegoat when things turn to s**t is a positive for him.

You'd think Dodoro would/should go before Scott but I'm not so sure it would go down like that...

 

[Yoda_]

The Round That Was With Rohan Connolly (Round 23) - 3AW is Football

omny.fm

RoCo has now turned on dodo. Nothing new in this but all very good points.

Once the media get a hold of Dodoro then it really is a ticking time bomb