Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 4 - Freo v Blues Sat April 6th 4:20pm AEDT (AO)

[Cobbler]

You're implying the s**t out of it.

I look forward to your award-winning book on body language, followed by your Nobel Peace Prize in recognition for your groundbreaking work into how you can expertly with zero misunderstandings simultaneously interpret the facial expressions and body language of a good 40 people - some of whom are not even in frame - through Ch.7's rather ordinary coverage.

Should be a fascinating read.

I'm suggesting that your view of the circumstance is flawed, because the same inherent bias we all have.

You go for Fremantle, and - as the wounded party - you're seeing the things you're looking for.

When a hammer goes alookin', all they'll ever see are nails.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you also have a bridge to sell me, at a magnificent price.

How do you know he didn't, in the preceeding section of play between Cottrell taking the mark and after the play started to reset? Why are you assuming that the free kick is but the first interaction the two people have ever had, despite sharing a field for almost three hours?

And you're coping extremely well. You seem perfectly fine to me.

Look how well you're doing.

Poor move. Stock market, bonds, savings account.

... wait a minute. Let me get this straight.

The analogy you went with for yesterday's game - the game in which an umpiring mistake compounded by a decision by a grown man to mouth off at an umpire cost you the game - is to a run in a casino in which you lost fair and square?

The implication being, that you know you lost the game fairly?

In addition to being only the best at analogies, are you also the best at taking your foot and shoving it squarely in your own mouth?

TLDR

 

[Worm4]

I never said what Clark did was acceptable. I’m saying it’s a response to a howler of a decision. He’s penalised accordingly but he doesn’t open his mouth if the correct decision is made. EVERY Freo player is calling touched. EVERY Carlton player looks sheepish.

So, my analogy is accurate. Often the biggest penalty is because of a massive mis call and the subsequent reaction to that. It’s not acceptable. There’s penalties in place. He paid the full price.

Unsure what you’re trying to suggest I’m saying. My post is what often happens in sport. It’s a reality. Not some one eyed view.

I do think the umpire could’ve taken 2 seconds to assess it all, perhaps asked him to calm down, but he blew his whistle instantly. Without knowing exactly what was said, that’s his decision. From a Freo perspective he just doubled down on the initial poor decision. That’s extremely hard to take.

I like analogies. Here’s another. It’s like taking $500 to the casino. You grind away playing safe. Work your way up to $300 having a good night. The night is about to end. So, you think I’ll just put all my profit on a bet. $300 bet and you lose. You double down and just bet the whole $500 and lose. Now you leave with nothing and lose it all in the last 2 bets. That’s what it feels like ONLY the casino is the AFL and you should never bet against the house when it comes to Carlton.

What you have stated is full of innuendo. Unless both parties come out and confirm what was said, we will all be none the wiser.
We don't know what warnings any players got during the match concerning borderline dissent - maybe , just maybe , player concerned received prior warnings?
End of the day, dockers should have put Carlton away but instead tried to defend 9 goals which is a dangerous game to play in a scrappy contest. Snooze you lose as they say

 

[Cobbler]

What you have stated is full of innuendo. Unless both parties come out and confirm what was said, we'll we will all be none the wiser.
We don't know what warnings any players got during the match concerning borderline dissent - maybe , just maybe , player concerned received prior warnings?
End of the day, dickers shoukd have put Carlton away but instead tried to defend 9 goals which is a dangerous game to play in a scrappy contest. Snooze you lose as they say

Fair enough with Clark. He may have been given several warnings or none. Either way it’s on him.

You guys were up with 5 mins left. We then went up by 9. So unsure on the put you away comment. Trying to defend in last 2 mins is perfectly normal.

 

[Cobbler]

What you have stated is full of innuendo. Unless both parties come out and confirm what was said, we'll we will all be none the wiser.
We don't know what warnings any players got during the match concerning borderline dissent - maybe , just maybe , player concerned received prior warnings?
End of the day, dickers shoukd have put Carlton away but instead tried to defend 9 goals which is a dangerous game to play in a scrappy contest. Snooze you lose as they say

The AFL did come out and say ball was touched, which is obvious to all.

Clark’s comment is a direct result of that.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Came back for the purple tears.

Wasn’t disappointed.

 

[Worm4]

You guys were up with 5 mins left. We then went up by 9. So unsure on the put you away comment. Trying to defend in last 2 mins is perfectly normal

Probably more to do with the first 3 quarters where Freo dominated pretty much all main stats yet were only in front by 1, then 2, then 7 at each break. I felt they should have been 5 goals in front Carlton were that far off in clearances and uncontested possessions.

 

[Lach72]

And after all that, it wasn't touched anyway.

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In a freak moment, Fyfe got his hand to the ball as it was about to be kicked, but not before it hit the boot. Who knows if it brushed someone's hair or not.

100% not a touched ball. And not "the umpire called touch on the MMM audio" either.

And no grassy knoll. Just Fremantle losing.

Your eyes painted on? It smashed into Aish’s upper arm

 

[Worm4]

The AFL did come out and say ball was touched, which is obvious to all.

Clark’s comment is a direct result of that.

Well rubbish decision by umps but certainly not the first or the last , so it's on the players to move on from bad decisions. Been that way for a very long time

 

[Cobbler]

Probably more to do with the first 3 quarters where Freo dominated pretty much all main stats yet were only in front by 1, then 2, then 7 at each break. I felt they should have been 5 goals in front Carlton were that far off in clearances and uncontested possessions.

Possibly.
Inside 50s were equal. Carlton did miss a string of goals in 2nd quarter.
It was relatively even those things considered.

I feel like many neutrals or Carlton supporters felt like it was on our terms. We’d all love a free flowing game, but our forward line isn’t up to that, not when the counter is Carlton’s forward line BUT I don’t subscribe to the comments of we dominated or whatever.

It was on our terms, doesn’t mean we dominated.

Carlton could’ve tried to take the game on, but we set up well. It was a decent chess match.

 

[Lach72]

So the AFL have said Clark was abusive and demonstrative.

After the free kick Walters gets to put us 9 in front, watch the Carlton player go off his face waving his arms while abusing the umpire…

No fifty.

Clark turns his head and says a few words and old mate pays a 50.

But the worst one was the no advantage to Aish…JFC that was putrid, and ended up with a Curnow goal to get them within two.

Just **** off you incompetent campaigners

 

[Thrawn]

We are average too, but we aren't carrying on like we are premiership contenders...champ.

Who's saying we're contenders? You're not listening to David King, are you?

 

[Thrawn]

Is that the year he kicked 58 goals?
That is some achievement isn't it. Remember when Sideshow was kicking high 50's early on his career

Makes you wonder why he only managed 29 last year in a season Carlton finally played finals.

As I said, he'll regress and normality will back in order as we saw in yesterday's game v Fremantle.

So every single forward that year was chopped liver I guess?

Facts are that he won a Coleman. Only reason the goal tally appears low is the short quarter times. Three out of four BOGs, that's not a regression. Now sod off.

 

[T2B_]

So the AFL have said Clark was abusive and demonstrative.

After the free kick Walters gets to put us 9 in front, watch the Carlton player go off his face waving his arms while abusing the umpire…

No fifty.

Clark turns his head and says a few words and old mate pays a 50.

But the worst one was the no advantage to Aish…JFC that was putrid, and ended up with a Curnow goal to get them within two.

Just * off you incompetent campaigners

I'd say it's down to the language used. If it's true Clark said something a long the lines of the umpire's mum, you can imagine how that would go. His teammates were quick to jump on him and try settle him down, so can't have been good.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

So many here blaming ump decisions for Freo’s inability to defend their dour defensive game plan.

Dumb football cost you a game you should have won.

Freo has a game plan it can’t defend - dropped marks, an inability to hold the contested ball in the dying minutes, missed tackles, letting Williams run through a pack & kick it to Curnow.

Brayshaw watched him do it - he didn’t even try to tackle Williams.

Why didn’t they throw as extra number back to protect the drop of the ball 30mts out from Carlton’s goal.

Dumb football when playing a game plan that keeps the other team in the contest!

Why aren’t you bemoaning your players/coaches performance during the last 5 mins??

Bitch & moan about umpiring decisions all you like.

The bottom line is Freo can’t defend its own game plan - they simply choked when it mattered.

 

[ESKIE]

So many here blaming ump decisions for Freo’s inability to defend their dour defensive game plan.

Dumb football cost you a game you should have won.

Freo has a game plan it can’t defend - dropped marks, an inability to hold the contested ball in the dying minutes, missed tackles, letting Williams run through a pack & kick it to Curnow.

Brayshaw watched him do it - he didn’t even try to tackle Williams.

Why didn’t they throw as extra number back to protect the drop of the ball 30mts out from Carlton’s goal.

Dumb football when playing a game plan that keeps the other team in the contest!

Why aren’t you bemoaning your players/coaches performance during the last 5 mins??

Bitch & moan about umpiring decisions all you like.

The bottom line is Freo can’t defend its own game plan - they simply choked when it mattered.

 

[WilloTree]

Such an easy fix. After the Coniglio fiasco, the AFL could have made 'dissent' reportable.

Report the player - deal with it the tribunal.

Too obvious? Probably.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

So the AFL have said Clark was abusive and demonstrative.

After the free kick Walters gets to put us 9 in front, watch the Carlton player go off his face waving his arms while abusing the umpire…

No fifty.

Clark turns his head and says a few words and old mate pays a 50.

But the worst one was the no advantage to Aish…JFC that was putrid, and ended up with a Curnow goal to get them within two.

Just * off you incompetent campaigners

I thought the worst one was the blatant out on the full that 6 officials missed, that would’ve resulted in a shot on goal. Even the Freo blokes were laughing.

 

[ESKIE]

Surely costing your team a game is reasonable punishment?

 

[T2B_]

Surely costing your team a game is reasonable punishment?

Yeh that should be as good a deterrent as any..

 

[kuhni]

Surprised AFL haven't released footage from the same behind the goals angle used over and over to capture the dissent.

I assume it would also show the boomerang like arc as below:

 

[Countryfooty1]

The AFL did come out and say ball was touched, which is obvious to all.

Clark’s comment is a direct result of that.

The only reason the AFL have confirmed a mistake was made is an attempt to save face. The incident was replayed to death and it was widely already known a mistake was made. That was the reason the AFL admitted the mistake

 

[CakeEater]

So article has been released stating that Clark called himself an F'n idiot for letting Cottrell mark.

The ump took it as being aimed at him.

So, uber soft free kick goal to Carlton then.

I await the Carlton fanbois saying that players cant berate themselves on field.............

https://archive.md/lhPxL#selection-1735.0-1755.105

 

[T2B_]

So article has been released stating that Clark called himself an F'n idiot for letting Cottrell mark.

The ump took it as being aimed at him.

So, uber soft free kick goal to Carlton then.

I await the Carlton fanbois saying that players cant berate themselves on field.............

https://archive.md/lhPxL#selection-1735.0-1755.105

Lol, more likely that's some revisionist saving face by Clark.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

So article has been released stating that Clark called himself an F'n idiot for letting Cottrell mark.

The ump took it as being aimed at him.

So, uber soft free kick goal to Carlton then.

I await the Carlton fanbois saying that players cant berate themselves on field.............

https://archive.md/lhPxL#selection-1735.0-1755.105

Is that why three of his teammates were trying to pull him back from the umpire. Ryan even whacked him on the arm telling him to pull his head in.

Would like to hear the umpires side.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

So article has been released stating that Clark called himself an F'n idiot for letting Cottrell mark.

The ump took it as being aimed at him.

So, uber soft free kick goal to Carlton then.

I await the Carlton fanbois saying that players cant berate themselves on field.............

https://archive.md/lhPxL#selection-1735.0-1755.105

If he knew it was touched, because it was so obvious apparently - why would he berate himself.

Clearly aimed at the umpire.