AFL blocking A-League GF at MCG/Etihad

[The_Wookie]

The original plan for Colonial was 35k!

The Docklands stadium was never planned for 35k, it was always planned to replace Waverly park (a 70,000 seat stadium) from the day it was conceived.

 

[The_Wookie]

Melbourne Storm in Melbourne - of course there is room for the various codes in an area housing 2.5 mil. That soccer took so long to establish an A League team ranks with this failure to communicate the right date.
A national comp needs a team in the area, it wont be #1 but it must be there.

Attempts to turn this thread into a comparison of codes trivialise the issues, if those posting this nonsense even understand the issues, e.g Filth.

And Kwality is right here folks, this isnt a thread to hang crap on other codes. This isnt about GWS, this is about soccer and its relationship with the AFL and Etihad.

 

[The Filth]

Exactly. the A-league, unlike the AFL, don't have one grand final venue, so chances are it won't even be at Etihad or MCG. The A-leagues average crowds for finals is 25k, they don't need Etihad or the G. It's laughable really. They also don't need a new rectangular stadium when they don't even get 30k to finals.

???? Eight A-League grand finals have exceeded 40k.

 

[The_Wookie]

The simple fact is, unless you are prepared to guarantee your finals hosting (as the AFL does with the MCG for the Grand Final, and the NRL does for ANZ Stadium for its Grand Final), then you are at the mercy of other solid bookings. The AFL has found this out at Subiaco with a Union test scheduled mid afl finals, and more recently the MCG with soccer matches held mid july, and the NRL has found this out at ANZ Stadium during its finals series).

 

[Fyfetheknife]

???? Eight A-League grand finals have exceeded 40k.

8? Holy crap hold the phone give the a-league the mcg all year round. You average 25k. I'm talking about averages. The truth is, super rugby is more popular then a-league. When the a-league gets 60k averages to finals and 30k to the season games we can argue about who gets what stadium.

 

[Bouvet_Island]

there you go again. tit for tat...but you dont subscribe to it... right

been to the a league every now and then. probably on par with the number of AFL games i have attended.

FYI glory have been around longer than freo

Fremantle Dockers first season: 1995.
Perth Glory's first season: 1996/97.

 

[The Filth]

And Kwality is right here folks, this isnt a thread to hang crap on other codes. This isnt about GWS, this is about soccer and its relationship with the AFL and Etihad.

so are mine, when was i talking about a stadium in perth??? i dont see the need for it. you already have a stadium that can cater for 40k+

the other takes the lower crowds of <20k. if you upgrade that to 40k+ or as one poster suggested 60k, its going to look like cemetery a for 95% of the year and mean etihad collects dust for 5-6 months. not to mention the higher costs of operating a larger stadium

what is much more likely in terms of victorian government funding, is to find another home for state cricket to free up the MCG at the start of the footy season

Rectangular? Purpose built for football, NRL?
What about AFL scheduling games for AAMI - ideal stadium for the code?
Turf at etihad is shocking for the round ball code. Much better at AAMI.
I also remember going to a Victory game after the stadium had been used for a concert. It was like having 4 bowling alleys on the ground left over from the impression from stage equipment.
The turf is not consistent across the ground.

 

[The Filth]

8? Holy crap hold the phone give the a-league the mcg all year round. You average 25k. I'm talking about averages. The truth is, super rugby is more popular then a-league. When the a-league gets 60k averages to finals and 30k to the season games we can argue about who gets what stadium.

Never want the A-League to play at the MCG.
The thread is about availabilty of Etihad for A-League finals.
AAMI is a rectangular football/NRL ground. Etihad is not.
Don't have a problem watching Super-Rugby at AAMI either.

Don't know how A-League can average 60k for finals when the largest capacity ground is around 50k
Sold out last year - 51k in Brisbane.

 

[The_Wookie]

What about AFL scheduling games for AAMI - ideal stadium for the code?

wtf

 

[Defacto]

The simple fact is, unless you are prepared to guarantee your finals hosting (as the AFL does with the MCG for the Grand Final, and the NRL does for ANZ Stadium for its Grand Final), then you are at the mercy of other solid bookings. The AFL has found this out at Subiaco with a Union test scheduled mid afl finals, and more recently the MCG with soccer matches held mid july, and the NRL has found this out at ANZ Stadium during its finals series).

best post from 2 pages of crap. couldnt agree more. you can add changing the date to that mix of problems

 

[telsor]

Never want the A-League to play at the MCG.
The thread is about availabilty of Etihad for A-League finals.
AAMI is a rectangular football/NRL ground. Etihad is not.
Don't have a problem watching Super-Rugby at AAMI either.

Don't know how A-League can average 60k for finals when the largest capacity ground is around 50k
Sold out last year - 51k

How many games a season do they exceed the capacity of AAMI?

 

[The Filth]

wtf

AFL don't play on a rectangular pitch. Why should A-league football be played on an oval stadium where the crowd are further from the action?

 

[telsor]

AFL don't play on a rectangular pitch. Why should A-league football be played on an oval stadium where the crowd are further from the action?

You don't...except on those few occasions where the crowd is bigger than 30K.

If you want a bigger stadium, pay for it yourself.

 

[The_Wookie]

AFL don't play on a rectangular pitch. Why should A-league football be played on an oval stadium where the crowd are further from the action?

because its cost effective for taxpayers to fund multipurpose stadiums. In melbourne in particular this means stadiums that cater to all sports not just the rectangular ones. Sorry about that extra 10 metres you are from the action.

 

[The Filth]

How many games a season do they exceed the capacity of AAMI?

Eight A-League grand finals have exceeded 40k and were sellouts. All Melbourne based grand finals >40k
Crowd figures are increasing each year - despite Etihads appalling ticketing and three tiered higher cost seating prices.

In Melbourne - games with attendances over 30k would reasonably be expected for:
- Both Melbourne derbys.
- Victory v Sydney
- Victory v Adelaide
- Victory v Brisbane
- Any Melbourne club finals matches.
Citys' attendances are also rising. Fixtures against Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney games are also possible 30k plus games for them too.

I am not trying to be smart or anti-AFL here. I just believe that Melbourne should have a rectangular stadium with sufficient capacity for the other codes in Melbourne. Melbourne has the support base and growth to justify it.

Victory has 23k members. They are even resorting to playing a game at Simmonds Stadium in Geelong this season

I have friends who don't turn up for games at AAMI if they haven't pre-booked as they fear not being able to get in the ground.

 

[telsor]

Eight A-League finals have exceeded 40k and were sellouts. All Melbourne based grand finals >40k
Crowd figures are increasing each year - despite Etihads appalling ticketing and three tiered higher cost seating prices.

In Melbourne - games with attendances over 30k would reasonably be expected for:
- Both Melbourne derbys.
- Victory v Sydney
- Victory v Adelaide
- Victory v Brisbane
- Any Melbourne club finals matches.
Citys' attendances are also rising. Fixtures against Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney games are also possible 30k plus games for them too.

I am not trying to be smart or anti-AFL here. I just believe that Melbourne should have a rectangular stadium with sufficient capacity for the other codes in Melbourne. Melbourne has the support base and growth to justify it.

I have friends who don't turn up for games at AAMI if they haven't pre-booked as they fear not being able to get in the ground.

So for roughly half a dozen games each year you either need to lock a few people out or move across town to a multipurpose stadium...and you think the solution is to spend a few hundred million to expand the ground to a size where you'll 'only' have to lock people out a couple of times a year.

Or to put it another way....
Let's say it grows a bit and there are 10 games affected, and in all of those, the full additional 20,000 turn up, which clearly is absolute best case for quite a while.

That's 200,000 more people going to the ground. At a cost of $300Million, or $1500 per person/match/year.
The interest on that alone would (@5%) $15M a year, or $75 per attendee....And remember, this is massively the best case and doesn't even include the additional maintenance costs of the larger stadium.

All so you don't have to go across town and see it at an oval stadium and/or lock a few people out...


You know, there are quite a few things I'd prefer the government to spend that money on...

 

[The Filth]

So for roughly half a dozen games each year you either need to lock a few people out or move across town to a multipurpose stadium...and you think the solution is to spend a few hundred million to expand the ground to a size where you'll 'only' have to lock people out a couple of times a year.

Or to put it another way....
Let's say it grows a bit and there are 10 games affected, and in all of those, the full additional 20,000 turn up, which clearly is absolute best case for quite a while.

That's 200,000 more people going to the ground. At a cost of $300Million, or $1500 per person/match/year.
The interest on that alone would (@5%) $15M a year, or $75 per attendee....And remember, this is massively the best case and doesn't even include the additional maintenance costs of the larger stadium.

All so you don't have to go across town and see it at an oval stadium and/or lock a few people out...


You know, there are quite a few things I'd prefer the government to spend that money on...

As a CPA/Lawyer - your calculations are juvenile in regard to asset management/ financing arrangements.
But apart from that -
NRL would also be using AAMI.
20,000 more Springsteen tickets...
Corporate sponsorships...
Increased amenity..

 

[Defacto]

Eight A-League grand finals have exceeded 40k and were sellouts. All Melbourne based grand finals >40k
Crowd figures are increasing each year - despite Etihads appalling ticketing and three tiered higher cost seating prices.

In Melbourne - games with attendances over 30k would reasonably be expected for:
- Both Melbourne derbys.
- Victory v Sydney
- Victory v Adelaide
- Victory v Brisbane
- Any Melbourne club finals matches.
Citys' attendances are also rising. Fixtures against Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney games are also possible 30k plus games for them too.

I am not trying to be smart or anti-AFL here. I just believe that Melbourne should have a rectangular stadium with sufficient capacity for the other codes in Melbourne. Melbourne has the support base and growth to justify it.

Victory has 23k members. They are even resorting to playing a game at Simmonds Stadium in Geelong this season

I have friends who don't turn up for games at AAMI if they haven't pre-booked as they fear not being able to get in the ground.

Adelaide just drew 14k, the very number you just supplied but your now saying they're a possibility of bringing in 30k

Bloody hell

 

[The Filth]

Adelaide just drew 14k, the very number you just supplied but your now saying they're a possibility of bringing in 30k

Bloody hell

Melbourne City have changed recently from Melbourne Heart - change of colors, ownership, identity.
Their membership has reached 10,000 up from 6000 last year.
They are now associated with Manchester City.
Victorys membership is 23,000. Maximum - Capped at 27,000 I believe.
It is not unreasonable to project further growth for Melbourne City.
Recent derby between Victory and City sold out Etihad. Lots of City support.

Citys' club memberships went up by 12% in 2013 and around 40% in 2014 despite finishing bottom of the table last season. Crowd figures are also rising. A-league memberships up 30% this season. Not hard to see that City will continue to grow substantially over the next few seasons.

NB - Also forgot about Western Sydney - 18,000 members. 30,000 at Victory v Western Sydney in Round 1 this year.

 

[telsor]

As a CPA/Lawyer - your calculations are juvenile in regard to asset management/ financing arrangements.
But apart from that -
NRL would also be using AAMI.
20,000 more Springsteen tickets...
Corporate sponsorships...
Increased amenity..

If the business case is so good, why doesn't soccer fund it?

 

[Collingwoodity]

Crickets Big Bash smashes all when it comes to ratings in the summer - we're talking AFL/NRL style ratings here for each session (Average ratings for the first innings of night matches have been 878,000, while second innings have attracted 973,000 viewers - as opposed to the Aleague barely managing 150k at the best of times and averaging below 100k across the season).

The Big bash has higher average crowds (Average attendances for the first 16 matches have risen 37 per cent to 19,649, compared with last season's average of 14,366 as opposed to the Aleagues 13,480 in 2013-14).

Specifically take the Sydney Thunder v the West Sydney Wanderers, similar crowds but the Thunder pull in seven times the Wanderers TV Ratings.

If Big Bash ever goes to a full season (ie more than 8 weeks), then the Aleague are going to have some issues. Cricket remains the great unifier of Australian sport - it doesnt matter whether you follow the AFL or Rugby league - in the summer a hell of a lot of these people transition over to Cricket.

World Cup is a little harder to call, but ask again mid next year. Same with tests, the Ashes generally rates better than other series.

ref:

• http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...cket-fans-and-ten-network-20140106-30dnd.html
• http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=att&season=2013-14
• http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ith-other-sports/story-fn6w5t7q-1226912398589

Big bash is on free to air.

. A league has one game on fta a week. Comparing the tv ratings when a league receives substantially reduced exposure is ludicrous.

If big bash does go full summer its average crowds will reduce because it will be less "unique".

Cricket will never be the great unifier. It didn't in test form. It didn't in day night and it is just being trialled in 20/20.

What next? 5/5?

It's too slow and not exciting enough. It will never be the great unifier.

 

[The_Wookie]

Big bash is on free to air.

. A league has one game on fta a week. Comparing the tv ratings when a league receives substantially reduced exposure is ludicrous.

If big bash does go full summer its average crowds will reduce because it will be less "unique".

Cricket will never be the great unifier. It didn't in test form. It didn't in day night and it is just being trialled in 20/20.

What next? 5/5?

It's too slow and not exciting enough. It will never be the great unifier.

You tell yourself that. Big Bash was exclusively Foxtel - just like the Aleague - until a commercial network saw value in it, unlike the Aleague.

the rest you have no evidence to support.

and this thread is done. It was amusing for a while, but soccer fans can go to their own forums to complain about this.
Thanks.