AFL can't compete with the game of globalisation

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General Giant said:
It is when its the biggest comp here.

Just to add i follow the skyblues in the summer and love the a-league.

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Good luck to you, its a 3rd rate competition going nowhere fast. The best players & coaches will always go overseas.

The Socceroos will always get support because they are a national team. The rest is, well, ordinary.
 
madmug said:
Good luck to you, its a 3rd rate competition going nowhere fast. The best players & coaches will always go overseas.

The Socceroos will always get support because they are a national team. The rest is, well, ordinary.
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Maybe read what i was replying to.

I do think the aleague will find its spot. But its a long way behind the AFL which is what i was replying to.


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General Giant said:
Maybe read what i was replying to.

I do think the aleague will find its spot. But its a long way behind the AFL which is what i was replying to.


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Yo.

I was more thinking the soccer people who keep coming up with grand world view of their game in Australia, without seeing the bleeeding obvious.
 

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Slax said:
Look at the tv ratings and you have wonder why the hell would anyone pay more for AFL than NRL.
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Don't look now, but both the AFL and NRL will exceed $1.7 billion for their next deals (likely to get closer to $2 billion).

I hope I don't have to explain to a fellow AFL fan that Fox Footy is the most popular channel on pay TV during the footy season (by an absolute country mile, there is daylight to second spot).

In fact, the AFL talk shows actually rate better than A-League games (which are predominantly on during the off-season with zero competition).

All up, AFL games are attracting approx 6 million viewers for 9 games of footy per round - that's a fair bit - and that's not counting the good ratings for the many talk shows, and the replays which run all week long (which bring in approx another quarter of that per week).
 
Gigantor said:
All up, AFL games are attracting approx 6 million viewers for 9 games of footy per round - that's a fair bit - and that's not counting the good ratings for the many talk shows, and the replays which run all week long (which bring in approx another quarter of that per week).
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Its closer to 4 million per round. The per round figure hasnt changed much since the 90s.
 
Slax said:
As I said the problem for a FTA station to take it over is that it is a Friday night game, this rules out 7 & 9, whilst channel 10 have been in the midst of a complete rebuild and only now sorting things out, so maybe something might happen there.
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Rubbish. If a commercial channel was to get the A-League rights and show it live, it would only ever go on the multichannels anyway. And most of those are filled with repeats in summer.

I don't know if you followed the A-League numbers, but playing it on SBS1 actually cost them viewers - Friday night was SBS's worst performing night. No doubt that's why they have tried to get rid of it.
 
Gigantor said:
General Giant is right, the bulk of the A-League season is in the footy off-season, and in any event, all stations have multiple channels now, so that's not even a valid argument.

The fact is, at even a big discount, none of the commercial FTAs were wanting to touch the A-league when SBS was begging anyone to take it off their hands.

If you check the Fox ratings for the A-League - it's very easy to understand why no FTA was willing to shell out a cent for the A-League.
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nobodies talking about where the A-league is today. we're talking about where its going.
Like i said earlier its not going to take over anytime soon, but you look at the growth rate. purely where the A-league is today vs where it was in the 05-06 season when it started. Its success is massive.

God knows i've rubbished the A-league on bigfooty, sometimes mercilessly, but there's comes a point where you have to realise that in the future indications appear that this strong growth will make australian soccer a competitor.

Will it become the number one game in aus? no, but it doesn't have to. look at cricket today vs cricket 30-40 years ago. cricket is still the number one sport in Aus, but it is nowhere near the behemoth it was in the 70's and 80's. You look at the quality of cricketers who grew up in the 70's and 80's who were playing in the 90's and early 00's. compare it with Australian cricketers playing today. the fact is the average quality of players has dropped. sure there's still great cricketers but the gap between best in average and best is higher. Not because the best are that good. But because competition for spots on a team has dropped. The kids started considering other sports, with less competition less talented kids come to the top of the pile.

the next sport to cricket is Australian football, you think its a coincidence that NSW carries cricket and Aussie rules is barely a top 5 sport in NSW?
Its because the boom of the AFL in the 90's saw kids fall in love with the league thats what they wanted to be. still no where near the number of kids who wanted to be cricketers and its still not as big as cricket today. But what cricket has lost is being the out and out leader, the domestic product collapsed. and the game under went significant reforms. Not because it was unpopular but because the model they were running became unsustainable, the domestic product was no longer viable as there wasn't enough talent to sustain it.

That is the risk soccer poses, much like Australian football will never be cricket, soccer will never be the Aussie rules.
But if it can gain enough support to start diminishing the number of kids taking up footy, it weakens the code as whole.
When that talent pool weakens its going to cost the AFL money, the AFL will need to make hard decisions on where the code is going and how its going to get there if the A-league continues its growth. and unlike Cricket Australia, the AFL doesn't have an international product to rely on.
 
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Sydney Bloods said:
nobodies talking about where the A-league is today. we're talking about where its going.
Like i said earlier its not going to take over anytime soon, but you look at the growth rate. purely where the A-league is today vs where it was in the 05-06 season when it started. Its success is massive.

God knows i've rubbished the A-league on bigfooty, sometimes mercilessly, but there's comes a point where you have to realise that in the future indications appear that this strong growth will make australian soccer a competitor.

Will it become the number one game in aus? no, but it doesn't have to. look at cricket today vs cricket 30-40 years ago. cricket is still the number one sport in Aus, but it is nowhere near the behemoth it was in the 70's and 80's. You look at the quality of cricketers who grew up in the 70's and 80's who were playing in the 90's and early 00's. compare it with Australian cricketers playing today. the fact is the average quality of players has dropped. sure there's still great cricketers but the gap between best in average and best is higher. Not because the best are that good. But because competition for spots on a team has dropped. The kids started considering other sports, with less competition less talented kids come to the top of the pile.

the next sport to cricket is Australian football, you think its a coincidence that NSW carries cricket and Aussie rules is barely a top 5 sport in NSW?
Its because the boom of the AFL in the 90's saw kids fall in love with the league thats what they wanted to be. still no where near the number of kids who wanted to be cricketers and its still not as big as cricket today. But what cricket has lost is being the out and out leader, the domestic product collapsed. and the game under went significant reforms. Not because it was unpopular but because the model they were running became unsustainable, the domestic product was no longer viable as there wasn't enough talent to sustain it.

That is the risk soccer poses, much like Australian football will never be cricket, soccer will never be the Aussie rules.
But if it can gain enough support to start diminishing the number of kids taking up footy, it weakens the code as whole.
When that talent pool weakens its going to cost the AFL money, the AFL will need to make hard decisions on where the code is going and how its going to get there if the A-league continues its growth. and unlike Cricket Australia, the AFL doesn't have an international product to rely on.
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Dont forget the story of Basketball.

It provides a very interesting story of how a sport is very popular with young kids & a core group of older supporters. It was on an exponential rise & rise in the 1980's. However it suffered a massive fall at the professional level. Its limped along for the last dozen years or so at club level. Our national teams do well, we have players in the NBA & many go to college & play/study.

Both sports have clubs with private ownership profiles, both have international ties.

Their seems a lot of similarities between basketball & soccer in this country. It will remain interesting to see whether the stories converge or diverge.

I'm sure other punters have a better grasp of these two similar/dissimilar sports stories.
 
madmug said:
Dont forget the story of Basketball.

It provides a very interesting story of how a sport is very popular with young kids & a core group of older supporters. It was on an exponential rise & rise in the 1980's. However it suffered a massive fall at the professional level. Its limped along for the last dozen years or so at club level. Our national teams do well, we have players in the NBA & many go to college & play/study.

Both sports have clubs with private ownership profiles, both have international ties.

Their seems a lot of similarities between basketball & soccer in this country. It will remain interesting to see whether the stories converge or diverge.

I'm sure other punters have a better grasp of these two similar/dissimilar sports stories.
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The rise and fall of basketball is nothing Like soccer, for a start we never took in waves of migrants with a basketball heritage. Basketball's short lived hype came off the back of strong results in the Olympics additionally the domestic product never went anywhere it certainly didn't end up with live FTA coverage on a Friday night.

Soccer is vastly different the Socceroos greatest achievement is making a final off the back of an ump not calling a free against, they then got dominated by Italy. A single moment of mediocrity among a history of failure. And yet soccers support continues to grow. The NBL also never had the cash that the A-league has.

Look I was right there rubbishing the a-league just ten months ago. But there comes a time when you need to look at where the products support is coming from and how it's building.
 
Sydney Bloods said:
The rise and fall of basketball is nothing Like soccer, for a start we never took in waves of migrants with a basketball heritage. Basketball's short lived hype came off the back of strong results in the Olympics additionally the domestic product never went anywhere it certainly didn't end up with live FTA coverage on a Friday night.

Soccer is vastly different the Socceroos greatest achievement is making a final off the back of an ump not calling a free against, they then got dominated by Italy. A single moment of mediocrity among a history of failure. And yet soccers support continues to grow. The NBL also never had the cash that the A-league has.

Look I was right there rubbishing the a-league just ten months ago. But there comes a time when you need to look at where the products support is coming from and how it's building.
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Not calling a free? Say what? We outplayed croatia all over the park. Should of had a penalty kick when viduka got rugby tackled.
Hardly dominated by italy.

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General Giant said:
Not calling a free? Say what? We outplayed croatia all over the park. Should of had a penalty kick when viduka got rugby tackled.
Hardly dominated by italy.

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It was a draw hardly played them off the park.
Italy were a man down and still held us scoreless to the point where one of our guys slid in and took one of there's out.
 

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Sydney Bloods said:
Most recent grand final we won free kick count was what 23-10 hawthorns way?
Meanwhile buddy gets mugged every weekend and we are current band from trading cause of "the vibe"
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Yeah but we are here now. So you lot are no longer Fathers favorite.

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General Giant said:
Nah just think this whole thread is random silly and, considering the 1o other crybaby threads, unnecessary So continuing the trend

Though still think you guys miss being the favorites

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I'm quite enjoying the irrational southern hatred actually it amuses me.
There's something so sweet about a random as **** rant about the swans mixed with expletives and spitting.
 
The_Wookie said:
Its closer to 4 million per round. The per round figure hasnt changed much since the 90s.
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22 rounds times 4 million is only 88 million.

A couple of years back, I distinctly recall an article (might have been in the Australian) quoting a full annual figure of something like 123 million, which is something like 5.5 million per week.

In fact, here is the article I was thinking of (it was for the 2012 season):
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...switch-off-rugby/story-e6frg7o6-1226525246762
 

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