Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2022 - Tsatas, Hayes, Davey x2, Munkara & Montgomerie

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[eth-dog]

I have a clear top 14 so i quite like the melbourne pick personally and i see it drop off a bit after that but obviously that isnt everyones opinion. A few names such as George, Konstanty, Hayes, Ed Allen, Hustwaite ect that arent in that top group might not be that far behind on list

Based on betting markets it would be

F6+22 for F10+13+ (Plus a few extra shitty points for us)

I do however feel were pretty confident that 22 comes before Davey with the way weve worked our list

I wouldn't trade our F1 for 14 and either theirs or Freo's F1, period. Let alone adding 22 on top.

Also, more likely to be 3/4 and 22 for 14 and 15. Crazy take and would be one of the worst trades we've ever done. If Melbourne aren't interested, move onto Sydney. Then GWS. Then Collingwood.

I don't see how we improve that much beyond maybe the hawks slipping behind us and possibly the Crows (who I feel are slightly tanking it a bit)

I'd only entertain GCS' pick 5 if im honest and it's quite the gamble still.
Scott will have a pretty good read on the list, how the pieces fit and where we need to address this time next year. I'd hate to lose a top 3-6 pick for something that doesn't really deliver a critical need.

Adelaide are doing the opposite. They're topping up, I'd expect them to rise rather than fall.

Our F1 will not be on the table.

 

[Keystone agony]

He started as a ruck

Wouldve been a small chop out 2nd ruck at best?

 

[citizen-erased]

I have a clear top 14 so i quite like the melbourne pick personally and i see it drop off a bit after that but obviously that isnt everyones opinion. A few names such as George, Konstanty, Hayes, Ed Allen, Hustwaite ect that arent in that top group might not be that far behind on list

Based on betting markets it would be

F6+22 for F10+13+ (Plus a few extra shitty points for us)

I do however feel were pretty confident that 22 comes before Davey with the way weve worked our list

what I weigh up is the option of choice you give up by sliding from 6 -> 10 at a sharp end of the draft vs. moving up from 22 -> 13 in a draft where it levels out.
At 22, we could feasibly be looking at someone like George (who I'd take at 13) or Barnett (who we seem to be linked to)
Then next year, could be looking at someone like Archer Reid (nice KPF with a brother on the list) and hoping he isn't taken for 5 picks until it's our turn.

Worst case, 22 = Davey
In between, the pick goes to '23 and the spot remains open for SSP
Likely, we move it up without losing much from '23 to get ahead of Davey.
Best case, Davey bid is post-pick 22.

F1 + 22 = top 4 pick for me. And I don't see North or GWS entertaining that.

 

[Keystone agony]

I wouldn't trade our F1 for 14 and either theirs or Freo's F1, period. Let alone adding 22 on top.

Also, more likely to be 3/4 and 22 for 14 and 15. Crazy take and would be one of the worst trades we've ever done. If Melbourne aren't interested, move onto Sydney. Then GWS. Then Collingwood.

Adelaide are doing the opposite. They're topping up, I'd expect them to rise rather than fall.

Our F1 will not be on the table.

Bookies dont have it as that. Obviously premiership odds arent exact as compared to top 8/bottom 4 odds ect but they are pretty good and the best we have for now

Also if your moving 13 out to 14 then you should be moving 22 to 24 or 25, maybe even 26, just something i saw

 

[citizen-erased]

I wouldn't trade our F1 for 14 and either theirs or Freo's F1, period. Let alone adding 22 on top.

Also, more likely to be 3/4 and 22 for 14 and 15. Crazy take and would be one of the worst trades we've ever done. If Melbourne aren't interested, move onto Sydney. Then GWS. Then Collingwood.

Adelaide are doing the opposite. They're topping up, I'd expect them to rise rather than fall.

Our F1 will not be on the table.

yeah, I don't see the Crows sliding behind us. Hawks likely given how hard they cut, but they still have a better backline and defence will win you games.

North & Hawks are the only two I'd bank finishing below us.
So pick 3 should be the starting gauge on that F1.

 

[Keystone agony]

what I weigh up is the option of choice you give up by sliding from 6 -> 10 at a sharp end of the draft vs. moving up from 22 -> 13 in a draft where it levels out.
At 22, we could feasibly be looking at someone like George (who I'd take at 13) or Barnett (who we seem to be linked to)
Then next year, could be looking at someone like Archer Reid (nice KPF with a brother on the list) and hoping he isn't taken for 5 picks until it's our turn.

Worst case, 22 = Davey
In between, the pick goes to '23 and the spot remains open for SSP
Likely, we move it up without losing much from '23 to get ahead of Davey.
Best case, Davey bid is post-pick 22.

F1 + 22 = top 4 pick for me. And I don't see North or GWS entertaining that.

Yeh it definitely has its risk, all trades do.

I guess i dont see pick 22 as strong as others. It will be 24 atleast by the time it comes around and the likely hood it gets eaten up by a Davey bid is a real threat. Also i havnt seen the top 13/14 players change for a long time and it would depend how we rate that group as to whether we entertained it.

Dont think Archer Reid is next years draft? Harley Reid is and will be a top 2 pick

We would need to offer up our F2(24) say with our 22 for something like Sydneys pick 18 which still holds the risk a bid occurs between say 13-18 in which it diminushes the stregnth of pick 22 again. Would likely get us a future pick around 28-30 if that was to occur

 

[andleanback]

Wouldve been a small chop out 2nd ruck at best?

No he was moreorless their number 1 ruck in his first season due to injury

 

[ant555]

It does but I am really struggling to understand the management of our talls since the end of 2020.

We've invested far too much draft capital and too many list spots only to end up with BZT, (a perennially injured) Stewart and (an average) Weidemann having jettisoned 2xNGA talls, who were showing encouraging signs, to now be looking at another high pick on a tall?

All of this with our mids?

There is a word that is in my mind when I think about the consequences of this for anyone responsible. It starts with 'sack' and ends with 'able'.

The Mahoney era is not proving itself to be above the Dodoro-led rubbish.

The Mahoney era has only had one draft. He was only at the club for 5 minutes before the 2020 draft. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of any tangents.

 

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[eth-dog]

I'm warming to Collingwood being interested in 25, F2, 72 for 17, 51. By the time the draft ends 72 will be an early 60's pick and we get an extra 240 points.

If Jefferson isn't around (and I've heard Melbourne are keen) then they probably trade back, thinking that they could get Hayes at one of those picks.

 

[BrunoV]

The Mahoney era has only had one draft. He was only at the club for 5 minutes before the 2020 draft. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of any tangents.

You don't think common sense and experience gives him grounds to ask whether taking Reid with 10, bearing in mind the order to Perkins was basically set, would have him asking whether it was necessary to take him and 2 more KPDs?

What's the unique scenario faced by any list that justifies picking 4 players whose best spot is KPD in one draft?

He's been there to oversee the master-stroke of BZT, Stewart and Weidemann.

I guess we'll have to wait 2 more years to see if he can Melbourne us. Hopefully it is better than Richardson's Richmonding us.

 

[Keystone agony]

You don't think common sense and experience gives him grounds to ask whether taking Reid with 10, bearing in mind the order to Perkins was basically set, would have him asking whether it was necessary to take him and 2 more KPDs?

What's the unique scenario faced by any list that justifies picking 4 players whose best spot is KPD in one draft?

He's been there to oversee the master-stroke of BZT, Stewart and Weidemann.

I guess we'll have to wait 2 more years to see if he can Melbourne us. Hopefully it is better than Richardson's Richmonding us.

Tbf Eyres best apot at the time was KPF, i know that doesnt auit the argument as much

It is funny with some fans saying we shouldnt have taken 2 tall defenders and then whilst on the other hand simultaneously fans saying we need a KPD

 

[BrunoV]

Tbf Eyres best apot at the time was KPF, i know that doesnt auit the argument as much

It is funny with some fans saying we shouldnt have taken 2 tall defenders and then whilst on the other hand simultaneously fans saying we need a KPD

I chose the wording best position because he was drafted as a forward, that's how he was initially used but draft watchers have said he played better in defence. We swung him to defence where he started to look a VFL player.

It's kind of the same with Perkins. The intention was midfield and he gets a run there when he plays VFL but you couldn't really say that's where he played his best footy as a kid because he never really got the chance. It was a bit different with Eyre because he did play a bit forward as a 17yo for Calder. As I understand it Perkins didn't play as a mid at all.

It's not like Brand who lined up in defence every game.

 

[eth-dog]

Know a former physio from Calder (who was a pretty good footballer himself). He always thought Eyre was a better defender than forward.

 

[Lads2023]

For anyone that may of missed this - Phillipou interview. Seems like he has a lot of confidence in himself and happy to play interstate

 

[ant555]

You don't think common sense and experience gives him grounds to ask whether taking Reid with 10, bearing in mind the order to Perkins was basically set, would have him asking whether it was necessary to take him and 2 more KPDs?

What's the unique scenario faced by any list that justifies picking 4 players whose best spot is KPD in one draft?

He's been there to oversee the master-stroke of BZT, Stewart and Weidemann.

I guess we'll have to wait 2 more years to see if he can Melbourne us. Hopefully it is better than Richardson's Richmonding us.

It took 7 seasons to make Melbourne a finals side. There is no way Mahoney had any real say in the 2020 draft after being at the club less than a week other than to say pick players who can play a role and compete.
As far as Richardson goes , well he got done over by Dodoro as they could not work together. In the end it was more people management skill than ability to build a list that got him.
We have done 2 seasons of a rebuild and are coming up to the third draft of the rebuild.

 

[ant555]

I chose the wording best position because he was drafted as a forward, that's how he was initially used but draft watchers have said he played better in defence. We swung him to defence where he started to look a VFL player.

It's kind of the same with Perkins. The intention was midfield and he gets a run there when he plays VFL but you couldn't really say that's where he played his best footy as a kid because he never really got the chance. It was a bit different with Eyre because he did play a bit forward as a 17yo for Calder. As I understand it Perkins didn't play as a mid at all.

It's not like Brand who lined up in defence every game.

Mainly because he did not play in his top age year.

 

[ghostdog]

Shiel is 29.

Hope springs eternal

Indeed, the mind is its own place...

 

[Don Won]

For anyone that may of missed this - Phillipou interview. Seems like he has a lot of confidence in himself and happy to play interstate

Lol
“Outside of Ashcroft who do you rate the best player in the draft?”

“me”

 

[citizen-erased]

Mainly because he did not play in his top age year.

2020 seems an age ago, but that crop lost the year where they make the most impact, esp mids.
Perkins has shown the signs he has a good midfielder in the making in him. good movement, strength, IQ. Would like to see him played there more next year.

 

[citizen-erased]

For anyone that may of missed this - Phillipou interview. Seems like he has a lot of confidence in himself and happy to play interstate

is it Phil-apu or Phil-e-poo

 

[citizen-erased]

You don't think common sense and experience gives him grounds to ask whether taking Reid with 10, bearing in mind the order to Perkins was basically set, would have him asking whether it was necessary to take him and 2 more KPDs?

What's the unique scenario faced by any list that justifies picking 4 players whose best spot is KPD in one draft?

He's been there to oversee the master-stroke of BZT, Stewart and Weidemann.

I guess we'll have to wait 2 more years to see if he can Melbourne us. Hopefully it is better than Richardson's Richmonding us.

We sort of had one.

Hooker into his last year (and playing forward). Hurley into his last 2 (and he'd manage one game at the end of it).
Zerk the only other proper KPD on the list
Our KPDs came from forwards (Stewart) & 3rd talls (Ridley, Francis, Laverde).

But at the same time, to take 4 of them when your midfield is Merrett, Parish and Shiel + ring-ins.
There's a reason we are where we're at. The list is imbalanced, patchy and in places still very young.

But that's on Dodoro and his team imo. I like that he's clashing with Mahoney. it tells me Mahoney must be doing something different, so ideally that turns out better than we've had for the last two decades.

 

[BrunoV]

It took 7 seasons to make Melbourne a finals side. There is no way Mahoney had any real say in the 2020 draft after being at the club less than a week other than to say pick players who can play a role and compete.
As far as Richardson goes , well he got done over by Dodoro as they could not work together. In the end it was more people management skill than ability to build a list that got him.
We have done 2 seasons of a rebuild and are coming up to the third draft of the rebuild.

It may well take 7 seasons.

It will likely take longer if we continue to burn valuable picks and list spots.

 

[Milanista28]

is it Phil-apu or Phil-e-poo

Phil-apu

 

[Lads2023]

Lol
“Outside of Ashcroft who do you rate the best player in the draft?”

“me”