AFL "integrity rule" re Freo and North resting players

[Tulip]

This is essentially tanking tbh

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

Also, if the AFL allow north to rest players thereby pretty much ensuring a loss and also ensuring adelaide have to travel in week 1 of the finals, then the crows should send their sanfl side to Geelong this week and rest all their players.

Agreed.

North resting impacts the result. This is not a dead rubber. The ruling is becoming stupid. Bad precedent being set imo.

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[unbelievacow]

I think Richmond would like the confidence going into the final having beat the same team a week beforehand.
If that's how it works out.

That begs the question, for two fairly evenly matched teams, does the confidence gained by the victorious team outweigh the retribution/revenge factor of the previously defeated team?

Looking at the eagles, each double-up game has had a different result:
WB: Loss - Win
FR: Loss - Win
GC: Win - Draw
AD: Win - Loss
(Saints certainties this week!)

Be interested to see how other teams have gone in their double up games.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

No we loved being underdogs in both grand finals. Ensured back to back.

The general consensus at the time was that freo would out tackle us and pressure us into error. This was frustrating to listen to. The GF justified all hawthorn supporters' thoughts on the matter. We are not anyone's b itch to be bullied into submission.

KOLOKOTRONIS

You were the favourites in 2013 from the betting markets and 2014 was about even.

And we know what your username is. You don't need to type it out every time.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Certainly a risky move. Will they come out fresher in week 1 and run over us, or will they be rusty and have potentially given us confidence and a psychological edge?

it's not round 1. all teams will have developed the structures, systems, processes and combinations that they'll use in the finals by now.

it's not being rusty that loses premierships. it's generally lack of skill, fatigue, and what goes on between the ears at this stage of the year and in big games that can be detrimental. by winning this match, NM cannot get into the situation whereby they can play for a break in finals (i.e., top 4). by losing, they cannot miss out on finals.

to win a premiership they still have to win 4 games on the trot in finals. the outcome of this weekend;s match is irrelevant. better to best prepare for what's ahead of them. playing guys this weekend who may need a week off to recover is a sound approach IMO.

i remember Richmond defeating Essendon in the final round of 2001, and then Essendon pulverising them in a final the week after. Sometimes, confidence can be a false confidence.

at the end of the day, the team has to perform and win when it really counts. as a sydney supporter, i know this only too well after last season. losses against WB and RIC aren't detrimental at all for NM right now. a loss to them in the finals is. that's what counts.

 

[ep2018]

So what are scenario is north of wins in terms of week 1 finals?

RICHMOND
DOGS
ADELAIDE
NORTH

You would play North in week 1.

 

[theridge]

I wonder if this would be such a hot topic if say hawthorn finished first with a game and a half clear and wanted to do the same.

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

You were the favourites in 2013 from the betting markets and 2014 was about even.

And we know what your username is. You don't need to type it out every time.

You forgot the term purple haze? The swarm was coming? Short memories!

Just remember on the big stage the big boys play!

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

it's not round 1. all teams will have developed the structures, systems, processes and combinations that they'll use in the finals by now.

it's not being rusty that loses premierships. it's generally lack of skill, fatigue, and what goes on between the ears at this stage of the year and in big games that can be detrimental.

i remember Richmond defeating Essendon in the final round of 2001, and then Essendon pulverising them in a final the week after. Sometimes, confidence can be a false confidence.

at the end of the day, the team has to perform and win when it really counts. as a sydney supporter, i know this only too well after last season. losses against WB and RIC aren't detrimental at all for NM right now.

The only time hawthorn rested mass players at a time was the final round against Gold Coast in 2011. It was a mistake. Geelong destroyed us the following week. Yes some teams bounce back well, however I do not subscribe to the theory.

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[rdhopkins2]

The only time hawthorn rested mass players at a time was the final round against Gold Coast in 2011. It was a mistake. Geelong destroyed us the following week. Yes some teams bounce back well, however I do not subscribe to the theory.

KOLOKOTRONIS

I flew up with family for that game. Never again to watch Box Hill.

 

[master bate]

This happens in all levels of local footy, it happens in all different sports. It's hardly a big deal.

If you're going to have finals then you need to realise that finals are much more important than round 23 and teams will make decisions accordingly.

If North have a rest then Adelaide playing afterwards can do it as well.

 

[magtrev]

Is there any chance we could go to SA if we win? If so rest 11.

There's more chance of you having to go to Sydney if you lose than that.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Wait for the uproar when a club resting players loses to a club they should have beaten and this then lets that second club make the finals...

 

[U2tigers]

If north rest players it worries me.

Scott to send out players who arent best 22 with instructions to make it a very physical game. It could be a good idea for them knowing they have a fresher team for the finals.

By physical i don't mean dirty.

 

[Magnum27]

From what i can gather in regards to AFL rule and the way it has been explained, is resting players is fine, as long as the ones that play have a red hot crack.

So the AFL cannot play the old integrity card if they are manipulating the rules so clubs can do it, good on the clubs using the rules the AFL has put in place.

 

[Tuco]

Theoretically, North can throw this game to ensure they don't have to travel to Adel week one. Slightly different to Freo whose position won't be affected.

Not a good look.

Then again this is only an isdue because they have the friday fixture and won't see the other results first.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

No we loved being underdogs in both grand finals. Ensured back to back.

The general consensus at the time was that freo would out tackle us and pressure us into error. This was frustrating to listen to. The GF justified all hawthorn supporters' thoughts on the matter. We are not anyone's b itch to be bullied into submission.

KOLOKOTRONIS

So instead of being grateful that you won the flag, Hawthorn supporters are more obsessed with the coverage that Fremantle received leading up to the Grand Final, which was obviously due to the groundbreaking win at kardinia and the comprehensive dismantling of Sydney.

Why so bitter?


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[KOLOKOTRONIS]

So instead of being grateful that you won the flag, Hawthorn supporters are more obsessed with the coverage that Fremantle received leading up to the Grand Final, which was obviously due to the groundbreaking win at kardinia and the comprehensive dismantling of Sydney.

Why so bitter?


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Not bitter at all. We were not trusted to follow through which stung us.

The Hawks don't lose grand finals without bouncing back. We always bounce back. Even after 84 85, we did 86, 88,89, 91.

Hawthorn are a proud club and our integrity has a hard gritty unit was questioned which hurt.

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[Defacto]

they finished first, they have a right to rest who ever they want when ever they want

dont see what the issue is

 

[magtrev]

Why do people think North are any realistic chance to travel to Adelaide in week 1 if they win?

To play in Adelaide they need themselves, Brisbane and the Crows to win
To play in Sydney they need Richmond and Gold coast to win


Brisbane beating the Bulldogs and Gold coast beating Sydney are both equally improbable I would say. Surely they would rather go in to the finalson the back of a non-half arsed performance?

 

[Jobe Watson]

Form, what form?

Nobody is suggesting we have any form.

So make it worse by basically tanking a game against your likely finals opponent?

Sure, rest Goldy who's had to carry your team all year. But not sure mass changes a week out from finals is wise. You're not Fremantle.

 

[Tas]

Honest question, has this stratagem ever worked?

Anyone in the bottom half of the 8 is making up the numbers, it doesn't really matter what they do. If we rest players then we could possibly have it in us to send another top 4 side out in straight sets if we win in the EF, but that will likely be the best case scenario.

 

[Juggs Magnetic]

Didnt win the flag despite heavy media support. Cant back up two weeks in a row. Watch it unfold this finals

Why would media support help a team win a flag?

 

[Wild Bill]

There's more chance of you having to go to Sydney if you lose than that.

Swans are $1.04.

 

[SonOfurX]

This integrity BS is just another easy shot for the AFL to make themselves look as if they have integrity. If the AFL had an ounce of integrity - or ethics - they wouldn't allow the game to be flooded with gambling advertisements, they wouldn't allow teams to maximize their revenue off of pokies, and they wouldn't have such a lax 3 strikes rule (that players have struck out). The AFL are a joke, and Gil shouldn't lecture anyone.