AFL overtaking NRL in QLD

[Freomaniac]

So i presume that you as a Freo fan you would have been happy still playing out of Subiaco ?
Yes or No ?

Yes and No

Yes because we could still average 28,000-30,000 at Subiaco and Still be profitable.

No because the Paerth Stadium looks nice to host games.

 

[RedV3x]

Yes and No
Yes because we could still average 28,000-30,000 at Subiaco and Still be profitable.
No because the Paerth Stadium looks nice to host games.

Subiaco was TERRIBLE.
Subiaco had the least viewing where it was needed most - on the wings.
Subiaco had a convoluted layout.
Subiaco had wooden bench seating.
Subiaco had very little in the way of facilities.

The new Perth stadium provides much more in return.
It was designed that way. It was designed to bring in as much income as possible.
Capacity is just one part of it. Corporate facilities are just a part of it.

Apart from the historic aspect, you are the only person who has anything kind to say about Subiaco.
The poor result of Subiaco is from a government who cheaped out severely in the first place
with the rebuild of Subiaco obsolete as soon as it was finished.

Brisbane - do it properly or not at all.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Nobody follows the NRL anymore

 

[Angus Young]

Nobody follows the NRL anymore

Record TV ratings and crowd numbers.

So yeah people do.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Yes and No

Yes because we could still average 28,000-30,000 at Subiaco and Still be profitable.

No because the Paerth Stadium looks nice to host games.

The issue is though what's acceptable to fans at a given point in time is not acceptable to future fans as society evolves.

It wasn't acceptable for Perthites really to be sitting on wooden benches well into the 21st century, and it was an overall less pleasant experience for them. Imagine sitting on wooden benches in 2024.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Nobody follows the NRL anymore

Clearly you never have been to NSW or Queensland. AFL is growing in those states, but the NRL is also going from strength to strength.

A state like Queensland is a lot more open to following more than one football code. However, this is more concentrated in the SE block/Cairns. Regional and rural QLD not so much, but that’s a low population base and probably not where the AFL are concentrating their efforts.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Clearly you never have been to NSW or Queensland. AFL is growing in those states, but the NRL is also going from strength to strength.

A state like Queensland is a lot more open to following more than one football code. However, this is more concentrated in the SE block/Cairns. Regional and rural QLD not so much, but that’s a low population base and probably not where the AFL are concentrating their efforts.

I don't think Qld is more "open" to following a football code I just think that its population has grown off a lower base due to intrastate migration from below the Barassi line.

In 1961, Queensland's population was 1.5 million, it's now 5 million. A lot of that increase is from people having moved from Vic, Tas, SA, WA, and their subsequent kids.

For the sake of comparison in NSW their population was 4 million in 1961, it's now 8 million, and their population growth is more through international migration and thorugh natural births and deaths from families who have generationlally lived in NSW.

Of course some people who move and have kids get assimilated into the NRL culture but some don't.

 

[RedV3x]

Clearly you never have been to NSW or Queensland. AFL is growing in those states, but the NRL is also going from strength to strength.

Apart from the the xtremely overdue addition of the Dolphins, it seems you've swallowed the NRL hype.

A state like Queensland is a lot more open to following more than one football code.

Yes, it has been for a very long time.and AFL has been growing steadily stronger for a very long time.

However, this is more concentrated in the SE block/Cairns.

Not forgetting Brisbane itself.

 

[TheGoldPersons]

imo Gold Coast is probably going to be the closest we get to a 2 sport city
Melbourne - AFL completely dominates
Sydney - NRL dominates
Adelaide - AFL dominates
Perth - AFL dominates
Gold Coast - NRL is still in the lead but it's not as dominant as everywhere else in the state

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Apart from the the xtremely overdue addition of the Dolphins, it seems you've swallowed the NRL hype.

I still can’t get over that post of yours that labeled the AFL grand final a world event.

NRL is looking to expand further. If the code was struggling (which it’s not), they wouldn’t be looking to include more teams.

I agree with the Dolphins being many years overdue. This has helped the Lions get a really big leg up. Good on the AFL for taking advantage.

 

[Bjo187]

imo Gold Coast is probably going to be the closest we get to a 2 sport city
Melbourne - AFL completely dominates
Sydney - NRL dominates
Adelaide - AFL dominates
Perth - AFL dominates
Gold Coast - NRL is still in the lead but it's not as dominant as everywhere else in the state

Canberra comes close.

 

[GC2015]

imo Gold Coast is probably going to be the closest we get to a 2 sport city
Melbourne - AFL completely dominates
Sydney - NRL dominates
Adelaide - AFL dominates
Perth - AFL dominates
Gold Coast - NRL is still in the lead but it's not as dominant as everywhere else in the state

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the Suns start playing finals. We've seen the Titans play finals recently and that didn't seem to make a huge difference. Could be a different story if the Suns make it. Especially consider the Suns sold out 4 of 9 home games on the GC this year, without making the finals.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think 55 000 would be a good size for a stadium in Brisbane. It's about the same size as Lang Park or slightly larger, which accounts for Australian rules getting more fans to games than rugby league does when there are comparable levels of popularity. A capacity that size will keep the cost of a ticket relatively low while not being too large for regular events. Bear in mind that a new or refurbished stadium has to compete with Perth Stadium and Adelaide Oval for test cricket, and that's in capacity too rather than just how glitzy the ground looks. A capacity well short of either of those isn't going to make Brisbane irreplaceable in test series.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Clearly you never have been to NSW or Queensland. AFL is growing in those states, but the NRL is also going from strength to strength.

A state like Queensland is a lot more open to following more than one football code. However, this is more concentrated in the SE block/Cairns. Regional and rural QLD not so much, but that’s a low population base and probably not where the AFL are concentrating their efforts.

It’s a dying sport. Days are numbered

 

[RedV3x]

I still can’t get over that post of yours that labeled the AFL grand final a world event.

is the NFL Superbowl a world event ?

NRL is looking to expand further. If the code was struggling (which it’s not), they wouldn’t be looking to include more teams.

Well why does the NRL not finance these new teams themselves then ?

This has helped the Lions get a really big leg up.

How so ?

So not having a NFL team obviouslyl gives NRL a leg up then.

 

[Badger17]

Canberra comes close.

Canberra doesn't just come close, it is a multi-code city.

Canberra and Wagga are the only cities I know of where a single code wouldn't comfortably hold over 60% of the market if you could split the market share into percentages.

People around here won't accept it, but, ATM, the Titan's ceiling is much higher than the Sun's as well. The Titans, and all historic GC RL sides, are hampered by their own incompetence, but they'd grow comparatively quickly if they ever stopped sucking for an extended period.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

So not having a NFL team obviouslyl gives NRL a leg up then.

There is always one with the troll comments.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

It’s a dying sport. Days are numbered

Try actually visiting outside the AFL heartlands.

 

[Angus Young]

is the NFL Superbowl a world event ?

No. But more so than the AFL Grand Final because they actually try and make it a world event.
They make it a spectacle with some darkness and attract eyes from everywhere and all walks of life not just hardcore NFL fans.

One day AFL will take advantage of that full amazing stadium and get with the times and play it later and not at day and try and make it a world class show. The daytime entertainment just doesn't work or shape up to what it could look like.

For now it just isn´t good enough to attract anyone other than Australians and AFL fans for the sake of ´tradition.´
I get it, it´s authentic and unique and we like it. But in the end you are missing out on more eyes. IF that´s what you want.

 

[RedV3x]

There is always one with the troll comments.

You brought up the subject and it went against you - funny that.

 

[RedV3x]

Try actually visiting outside the AFL heartlands.

There is no such thing as heartlands w.r.t. sport.

Some sports like AFL are finding new admirers.
Some sports like NRL are consolidating their fans.
Some sports like cricket have died and reinvented themselves.
Some sports like rugby are struggling.
Some sports like soccer say it should be more popular in Australia looking at the (a lot) of the rest of the world
while AFL say exactiy for the same reason to the world as AFL is so popular in Australia
why cannot it be so popular around the world.

 

[Bjo187]

There is no such thing as heartlands w.r.t. sport.
AFL is so popular in Australia
why cannot it be so popular around the world.

Because Australia has zero pull and exposure on the international stage. When I lived in the u.s, I didn't hear Australia mentioned on the local television/ media once in an entire year, it's like the country doesn't exist over there. This is despite every time an Australian does something over there, it gets in the news here portraying it's also big news in the U.S, which it isn't.

We are too far away and outta sight outta mind to the countries that set the world culture, plus our population is too small to matter. You also have the fact that our own national media comes out of Sydney and have been actively trying to suppress the sports growth for decades. If the Sydney media were on board from the start and equally invested in the game, it would be international by now, at least in places like n.z and the pacific I think. In the big countries in the world the sporting culture is already set though.

If Australia football was invented by the English or the Americans though, it would be one of, if not the biggest sports in the world by now imo.

 

[Fire]

Because Australia has zero pull and exposure on the international stage. When I lived in the u.s, I didn't hear Australia mentioned on the local television/ media once in an entire year, it's like the country doesn't exist over there. This is despite every time an Australian does something over there, it gets in the news here portraying it's also big news in the U.S, which it isn't.

We are too far away and outta sight outta mind to the countries that set the world culture, plus our population is too small to matter. You also have the fact that our own national media comes out of Sydney and have been actively trying to suppress the sports growth for decades. If the Sydney media were on board from the start and equally invested in the game, it would be international by now, at least in places like n.z and the pacific I think. In the big countries in the world the sporting culture is already set though.

If Australia football was invented by the English or the Americans though, it would be one of, if not the biggest sports in the world by now imo.

I am not arguing that Australia has much cultural impact globally; but I have been living in the US for 10 years and I am constantly surprised by just how often I do hear about Australia (and no, not just people talking to me about it).

I guess every experience and expectation is different.

 

[RedV3x]

Because

It actually was a rhetorical question.
I have invested a hell of a lot of time on this topic.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Canberra doesn't just come close, it is a multi-code city.

Canberra and Wagga are the only cities I know of where a single code wouldn't comfortably hold over 60% of the market if you could split the market share into percentages.

People around here won't accept it, but, ATM, the Titan's ceiling is much higher than the Sun's as well. The Titans, and all historic GC RL sides, are hampered by their own incompetence, but they'd grow comparatively quickly if they ever stopped sucking for an extended period.

Being the more popular code they would have a higher ceiling. Likewise if the Sun’s had been ran as well as GWS had I think they could’ve narrowed the gap significantly by now.
Which ever side gets sustained success first will imo play the biggest role in the future of the cities landscape.