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AFL Rising Star Ceremony
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Well one thing's pretty much for sure Heppel is only going to play one final this year hopefully Shuey plays in 3 or 4. 
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1. I'm hardly a legend- it's just the default thing that changes when you are around this site long enough.
2. Are you claiming Vic bias? Rhys Palmer, Dan Hannerbery, Danyle Pearce. All play interstate and all have recently won the award.
3. In the end it's a nothing award anyway. Just a marketing excersize. Do you remember Nathan Buckley as a rising star winner or a Brownlow medal winner?
4. Nobody here has said Shuey didn't deserve to win it. Had he won it, he would have been just as deserving as Heppell is.
5. Your off-topic jibe about my team really just goes to show how childish you are.
Let's all take a step back and answer a simple question...
Do you think it is fair for someone to vote on an award when they haven't seen each of the 22 games for the candidates?
I've seen more of Shuey than Heppell, I thought Shuey should have won, my Essendon mate has seen more of Heppell than Shuey, and thought it could have gone either way but Heppell had it.
Surely someone voting on such an award should do some due diligence and at a bare minimum watch all matches played by the top 5 candidates for the season?
No i'm not claiming Victorian Bias. I am a victorian, and live in victoria. So i think when it comes to the Eagles being reported on in Victoria i am somewhat qualified to speak. What i have found all year and correct me if i'm wrong is the constant mention of criteria by those in the victorian media. I could sit here and name names but you know as well as i do they have been mentioning it all year. The other thing i would like to point out is that in Victoria if you are a journalist, it pays to write about what sells and in this case that would be victorian teams. No problem with that. However if they represent themselves as journalists they should act like it. News is meant to be objective and reported on it's merits. I hardly see that in this case. No more like hearsay and innuendo.
The amount of Journalists that have made ignorant comments in regards to the eagles this year is astounding. These are people you claim to be more "astute" than you and i.
That pisses me off because they are supposed to comment on and know the AFL. Not VFL. As for being childish? don't think so. I will concede i was highly aggressive, probably more so than needed to make my point. But i hardly find these people who hardly know our club, players or set ups very astute. If you come onto another team's board be prepared to cop it if your comments are somewhat naive.
The amount of Journalists that have made ignorant comments in regards to the eagles this year is astounding. These are people you claim to be more "astute" than you and i.
That pisses me off because they are supposed to comment on and know the AFL. Not VFL. As for being childish? don't think so. I will concede i was highly aggressive, probably more so than needed to make my point. But i hardly find these people who hardly know our club, players or set ups very astute. If you come onto another team's board be prepared to cop it if your comments are somewhat naive.
That last paragraph sums it up. How many Eagles games do you think The Fat Controller and his little offsider watched? How many do you think KB and Darcy watched? The award is a farce.
If the award is a farce, then why do we all care so much??
The real issue here is Shuey in a onesie.
The real issue here is Shuey in a onesie.
Agree.
Kevin "Shifter" Sheehan, the guy who gives out the nominations even admits he doesn't watch all the games. What hope is there for the rest of them.
The coaches should give a 1,2, 3 vote for the best young players on the ground IMO.
What annoys me the most is people saying that Heppell is clearly going to be the better player in the long run and Zac Smith will be the best of the lot. What do they base it on, Smith is a freakish player but gets owned in the ruck taps and at 206cm he is taller than most ruckman. Very good skills but if his main job is getting the taps he is failing and will need considerable improvement in that area to just be top 10.
Why has heppell got more upside than Shuey, Shuey has more pace, longer kick,strength and with an uninterrupted pre season will only improve in all those areas. He is the 3rd best midfielder in the 4th side. The crapping on about F&B's is ridiculous if Watson, Hocking and Fletcher had played the whole season he would be lucky to finish 5th (Zaha should be above him anyway). Shuey should finish top 5 in our B& F with all our guns playing every game (except kerr and Lecca). Cox, Embley, Glass and Priddis are others that should and maybe kennedy but it is definitely a harder top 5 to get into than Essendons.
In my opinion Swallow and Shuey will be the best out of the crop, Heppell is a beauty but I don't feel he has the weapons the others have. Gaff, Darling, Reid etc all look like they are going to have fantastic careers but Swallow and Shuey could be top 5 mids in the comp.
Why has heppell got more upside than Shuey, Shuey has more pace, longer kick,strength and with an uninterrupted pre season will only improve in all those areas. He is the 3rd best midfielder in the 4th side. The crapping on about F&B's is ridiculous if Watson, Hocking and Fletcher had played the whole season he would be lucky to finish 5th (Zaha should be above him anyway). Shuey should finish top 5 in our B& F with all our guns playing every game (except kerr and Lecca). Cox, Embley, Glass and Priddis are others that should and maybe kennedy but it is definitely a harder top 5 to get into than Essendons.
In my opinion Swallow and Shuey will be the best out of the crop, Heppell is a beauty but I don't feel he has the weapons the others have. Gaff, Darling, Reid etc all look like they are going to have fantastic careers but Swallow and Shuey could be top 5 mids in the comp.
Can't be bothered reading through the thread, but what annoyed me the most was everyone saying that heppell should win because he was a first year player and shuey wasn't, and I'm guessing the majority of the panel would have casted their votes with that in mind. They didn't seem to mind when reiwoldt was a second year player so why all of a sudden is it a big deal now?
Shuey was better than heppell this year and thats all it should have went on, the rules don't state you get extra brownie points if it's your first year.
Shuey was better than heppell this year and thats all it should have went on, the rules don't state you get extra brownie points if it's your first year.
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Makes you wonder how Palmer won with all this Victorian bias
Makes you wonder how Palmer won with all this Victorian bias
No victorian bias, just bias towards first year players. If they want to do that then just change the criteria.
Im not to worried, I would prefer shuey over heppell just as I'm sure you would prefer cyril over palmer
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No victorian bias, just bias towards first year players. If they want to do that then just change the criteria.
Im not to worried, I would prefer shuey over heppell just as I'm sure you would prefer cyril over palmer
My comment was very much tongue in cheek as there was much angst among hawk supporters when Palmer got the nod ahead of Rioli in 08 and hawk supporters were dismissive of the award as Cyril was focusing on a far more important medal - the rest as they say is history. That won't of course be how history writes itself this year
(hopefully)Personally I think the award should be for a genuine first year player and not based on number of games played. What Heppell has been able to do as a first year player and in a decimated backline is outstanding and whose to say if Shuey hadn't had the sickness, injuries, personal issues that he would of performed in a similar manner in his first year or even gotten a regular game for that matter (Woosha does err on the side of caution with the new recruits) - the benefits of being at an afl club and using it's facilities, training and even having their diet managed for a whole season gives an enormous advantage and while it shouldn't according to the criteria be taken into consideration there is no doubting it is and therefore why an overhaul is needed.
Sheuy will be a star and I think if we are honest no-one really recalls who won the rising star in a particular year.
Who's that bald dude on AFL 360 again? His name escapes me.
Anyway, he said that in 3 years Heppell will be a better player than Shuey. Big call IMO. Look forward to seeing how it turns out.
Anyway, he said that in 3 years Heppell will be a better player than Shuey. Big call IMO. Look forward to seeing how it turns out.
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Robbo, Essendon fan
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Can say some stupid things, but I actually regard as one of the better media people when it comes to us. Everyone on AFL360 is tbh.
So, at the end of the show they ask Mark Robinson (thanks for the name) who he'd rather have in the team if he was a coach going into a final - Heppell or Shuey.
Robbo says Shuey. Reason being, 3 years experience.
Apparently we're not giving the award to the best player then.
Robbo says Shuey. Reason being, 3 years experience.
Apparently we're not giving the award to the best player then.
I doubt the voters pay as much attention to splitting between the two as most of us here did. First year vs Third year would have sold it for most of them.
There haven't been many players in our history as embraced by the supporters as Shuey either, can understand why it's annoyed some people that the voters didn't give it to the best player but to the one they thought was 'more worthy' of the rising star, being in his first year. Again, there's not much between the two, but in terms of game impact accross the season you give it to Shue.
And let's not forget
There haven't been many players in our history as embraced by the supporters as Shuey either, can understand why it's annoyed some people that the voters didn't give it to the best player but to the one they thought was 'more worthy' of the rising star, being in his first year. Again, there's not much between the two, but in terms of game impact accross the season you give it to Shue.
And let's not forget
He's wearing a ****ing onesie, just give him the Brownlow already.
You'd think that next year we'd be lucky to have 1 nomination with Koby our best bet.
Lots of our young players have played more than 10 games now and the draft picks we'll take this year will be relatively late.
Lots of our young players have played more than 10 games now and the draft picks we'll take this year will be relatively late.
Everyone on AFL insider and On The Couch is better than him IMO, to name a few.
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