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Why?... don't you reckon we need a change up!!
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Preview AFL Round 21 - West Coast v Geelong, Subiaco, 5:40PM local (7:40PM AET) Saturday 17 August
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Why?... don't you reckon we need a change up!!
Let me think about that.......tough shit. There's no resting players now. Our season is absolutely up for grabs. We've got stay ahead of Sydney and Fremantle will almost certainly win all their games from now on (which would see them finish on 70 points). If we don't want to play an interstate Qualifying Final, we have to win this week. This means the strongest possible team we've got. And Vardy and West as the two ruckman. They may not be Cox and Naitanui, but they are both athletic, and pretty fit, and not useless around the ground when in form. It's the only combination we have that can offer something.
I'm not saying Kersten shouldn't come in, I just think where we are in the year they won't be that adventurous. I don't mind if he comes in for Hawkins at all. Suspecting Brown in and Taylor forward might be close to the mark.
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Oh no, no excuses mate. But we are poor against these teams in these type of games and I'm highlighting the danger of this one. Because it's a similar trend we've had this year.
Lucky we don't lose too many then......
That was the conundrum that I had and I'm sure the MC will have this week. A forward line of Taylor and Pods is dangerous and has worked before. Can, however, we hold Kennedy, Darling and their resting ruckmen with Taylor not being in defence? Are Lonergan, Rivers and Brown/Mackie up to it?
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Not going to argue with you since you were there and I wasn't, but judging by what the commentators were saying on the radio, Smedts was one of the best on the ground. Guess different people see different things.
Wonder if the Eagles will roll the dice and put Adam Selwood on him, like they did on Yarran earlier in the year when Yarran kicked 3 or 4 goals from running up the ground and burning Selwood off running back towards goal.
If you asked me could Lonergan, Taylor and Rivers/Brown, I'd say yes. If Lonergan, Brown, Rivers, I'd say maybe. The key in both instances of course if defensive pressure from our midfielders and what kind of supply they get.
The obvious flipside is our forward line better with Pods and the giant sloth known as Tom Hawkins, or with Pods and a young Kersten who by all accounts is a pretty good lead? So somewhere in between those arguments lies our answer.
If we can turn up with the discipline, effort and mindset of the Fremantle, Hawthorn and Melbourne games, I reckon we can win. Actually I don't think anyone can beat us. If we turn up like we did against Adelaide or North, I reckon anyone can beat us. So I've honestly got no idea.
Bartel was only on Monfries for two of his goals that I saw. Others were while on Mackie. And someone else I can't remember. And his last goal on Guthrie.
Monfries first mark/goal would have been spoilt if Guthrie hadn't been blatantly infringed on to prevent the spoil.
Bartel spent a lot of the game in the forward line.
Also, you spend time telling us that Bartel isn't a midfielder - but apparently he is again all of a sudden.
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Get him in.... No mention of any incidents so he should be right in that respect, they would of been all over it otherwise
Get him in.... No mention of any incidents so he should be right in that respect, they would of been all over it otherwise
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this is the advantage of Rivers in the side, he'll be able to take Darling as Darling is quite a strong bloke...not quite a KPF but he certainly plays like one at times.
I like Mackie playing as a the creative runner from the back-line, very much like Milburn and Scarlett did for many years and then Lonergan will play on Kennedy. That will be a great battle imo, Lonergan is such an underrated defender, brilliant coverage and just so good at timing his runs and spoils.
Enright will watch a LeCras or we may put Guthrie on LeCras, Taylor Hunt could come into the side and play on Hill as it seems Varcoe will play the wing or half forward flank.
Taylor will control the air and also contend with Cox when he rests forward, if Lonergan is getting beaten by Kennedy then we can switch that particular match-up.
Well he certainly isn't a defender on yesterday's outing.
Is he capable of playing as a full time midfielder anymore? I'd say unlikely. Can he play as a spare defender? Yes. But can he play as a defender if the opposition put a quick forward on him? That's unlikely.
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I've always liked Cowan, he's a real tough little scrapper, ....
I know he's got a fan club here,.. but I'd love to see him take Varcoe's small fwd/mid role, Cowan can do it all, work inside and outside!
Kicked 3 today and among the best again. Really needs his just deserves.
I know he's got a fan club here,.. but I'd love to see him take Varcoe's small fwd/mid role, Cowan can do it all, work inside and outside!
Kicked 3 today and among the best again. Really needs his just deserves.
Why? Because he had a couple of goals kicked on him? And one of those unlucky?
Just have to disagree.
Also about midfield. Hard to tell on that one. My view is that he would be more than capable. He just isn't used that way because he adds great value pinch-hitting all over the ground as required.
Anyway, I'm inclined to agree that he shouldn't be on the paciest small forwards. That should be a specialist role.
He was definitely in the top bunch.
He would do stuff like evade an opponent and keep running towards goal.
But he hadn't burnt the opponent so he was running on the wrong line. And you could see he knew it.
He had a free option outside and ignored it twice (over say a 15m distance)
But his opponent was still close enough to not let him straighten.
Had a shot. Out on the full.
In my opinion you may get away with that crap at VFL level, but not AFL.
I actually think he has to learn to give the ball immediately.
Use the brilliant sidestep stuff only when needed. He seems to try it with every possession.
The equivalent would be Motlop using a banana for every kick.
Given that we get beaten in the clearances every week, I can't agree on the "adds great value pinch-hitting" argument. Honestly think that is spun because no one wants to criticise him. To me his best place now is as a loose man in defence. But needs assistance if quick small forwards are nearby. Which makes the decision to drop both Josh and Taylor Hunt more puzzling.
Changes I would make (minimal as possible as the no.1 priority is for the team to be settled):
Out: walker (obvious one - has no impact in the ruck and its now the business time).
Stringer (not best 22 for business end)
In: west (despite what some are saying he is our most experienced and best ruck given injuries. Will compliment vardy which would be our best ruck set up. West needs valuable AFL game time to get into form).
T.hunt (been out of form but had a good game in the VFL and offers more than stringer).
No further changes required.
For the following game against Sydney I would bring chappy in (possibly for t.hunt if his form doesn't improve). I would not make any more changes until finals barring injuries. Only blitz to come in for west if he is not performing.
Couple notes:
- Hawkins: we know his story but he still kicks goals, takes the best defender and is a pretty good decoy. I also subscribe to CS and see why he is in - you CANNOT play kersten (0 games) or walker (7 games, can't kick etc) over a player with Hawkins' history in finals.
- varcoe: if we have to suffer a few games with not much return if it means travis finds form in time for first week of finals then I take that every day of the week. Varcoe is unfairly judged on these boards, yes he is out of form after missing 3 months but when on song he is one of our most important and damaging players. Keep him in and only drop if there are 0 signs of improvement by round 23.
- rivers: MUST keep in the team. A defensive structure with a genuine 3rd tall is a finals winning structure. Rivers can hold his own, allows Taylor to go forward and means we even better control the air. Also the teams we are most likely to meet have 3 big tall fwds.
- blitz: bring in should west or vardy drop out of form. Simple.
- smedts, thurlow, Murdoch, kersten, HS: thanks for the year and look forward to seeing you guys cement yourselves in the team in 2014. It is business time and your time will come.
Out: walker (obvious one - has no impact in the ruck and its now the business time).
Stringer (not best 22 for business end)
In: west (despite what some are saying he is our most experienced and best ruck given injuries. Will compliment vardy which would be our best ruck set up. West needs valuable AFL game time to get into form).
T.hunt (been out of form but had a good game in the VFL and offers more than stringer).
No further changes required.
For the following game against Sydney I would bring chappy in (possibly for t.hunt if his form doesn't improve). I would not make any more changes until finals barring injuries. Only blitz to come in for west if he is not performing.
Couple notes:
- Hawkins: we know his story but he still kicks goals, takes the best defender and is a pretty good decoy. I also subscribe to CS and see why he is in - you CANNOT play kersten (0 games) or walker (7 games, can't kick etc) over a player with Hawkins' history in finals.
- varcoe: if we have to suffer a few games with not much return if it means travis finds form in time for first week of finals then I take that every day of the week. Varcoe is unfairly judged on these boards, yes he is out of form after missing 3 months but when on song he is one of our most important and damaging players. Keep him in and only drop if there are 0 signs of improvement by round 23.
- rivers: MUST keep in the team. A defensive structure with a genuine 3rd tall is a finals winning structure. Rivers can hold his own, allows Taylor to go forward and means we even better control the air. Also the teams we are most likely to meet have 3 big tall fwds.
- blitz: bring in should west or vardy drop out of form. Simple.
- smedts, thurlow, Murdoch, kersten, HS: thanks for the year and look forward to seeing you guys cement yourselves in the team in 2014. It is business time and your time will come.
Fine. So what is your forward set up then if your playing Taylor down back?
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Ok you're in the camp to keep playing Hawkins. Fair enough. What if he's ruled out on medical advice this week? How are you going to set up then?
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Cowan.
Almost bog 3 weeks running, 20 possessions to half time the week before, 3 goals today,...and all you can say is "no chance" ....sorry you'd rather play that 7 possession superstar!!
If we play away first final you can blame guess who!
If the MC are that negative we deserve to lose that benefit!
I'm not saying Varcoe should stay in.
I'm saying Cowan should not come in.
Looks like a twig. If it was round 6, maybe. Too late now.
And having said that I threw my hands in the air with the Walker selection saying "what for? He isn't going to play finals"
I'm saying Cowan should not come in.
Looks like a twig. If it was round 6, maybe. Too late now.
And having said that I threw my hands in the air with the Walker selection saying "what for? He isn't going to play finals"
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