Mega Thread AFL to investigate Essendon for controversial fitness program - PART3

[Hard_to_Beat]

You're still dodging my question of why players would request a consent form, BTW.

The tabloid press hasn't given him any ammo.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

It does if your position involves the welfare of players.


Read the transcript from start to finish. Take your pick.

To dumb it down for you Lance . . . "we didn't know" is clearly a blatant lie.

you've identified one potential lie. Oh well, sack the lot of them then!

 

[AstroboyUK]

The real question now is who is the club on P17?" ????

1. Is it even an AFL team? Is it possibly an NRL team?

2. When is the P17 team going to be revealed?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

How can you go from ESSENDON ARE THE CLUB ON PAGE 17 WHEREAS OTHER CLUBS JUST HAVE A FEW BAD EGGS to such ignominy now?



how's that brain going Brainiac????

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-in-the-gun-over-practices-20130208-2e3zv.html#ixzz2KLaACEp9​

so we're "close to extinction" are we?? You must be one embarrassed little man today.​

I will accept your apology here. Get to it.​

I actually think this is really bad news (sports wise).

If we make the assumption that the reports are right, and Dank has been doing the dodgy imports, and some may have ended up in efc players without their knowledge, this alone has the potential to bring down a massive number of plays just through 1-2 people screwing over Essendon.

If this is not the page 17 team, how bloody bad is what the page 17 team done? Only thing I can think of is active support of a program by senior officials with possible player buy in. I'm still getting my head around the idea of individual players and officials doing their thing, but this would bust my brain.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You're still dodging my question of why players would request a consent form, BTW.

I am not dodging anything.

As I understand it, the "consent form/waiver/smoking gun" that you're so fixated on was two-fold; it was a document requested by the players to guarantee they were not taking anything illegal, as well as a confidentiality agreement

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

If this is not the page 17 team, how bloody bad is what the page 17 team done? Only thing I can think of is active support of a program by senior officials with possible player buy in. I'm still getting my head around the idea of individual players and officials doing their thing, but this would bust my brain.

Do you honestly believe that some mysterious sports guru was plonking IV's in to players without any further club oversight?

It starts and finishes there?

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

So what does this Danke bloke do if it turns out his work was all above board? The crappy paper in Melbourne has pretty much ensured he'll never work again. Can you sue a 'journalist' for hypothesizing on a hypothesis?

He'd have to become a registered sports psychologist first, wouldn't he?

 

[JeffDunne]

you've identified one potential lie. Oh well, sack the lot of them then!

Jesus Lance, I think you might me in need of some medication yourself - legal or illegal. A diaper probably wouldn't hurt either.

They should be sacked for ignoring the advice of a real doctor - one of the most respected in the country - and taking the advice of a botox riddled official and shady operator who isn't a doctor.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Jesus Lance, I think you might me in need of some medication yourself - legal or illegal. A diaper probably wouldn't hurt either.

They should be sacked for ignoring the advice of a real doctor - one of the most respected in the country - and taking the advice of a botox riddled official and shady operator who isn't a doctor.

you mean the one they sacked last year after the doctor referred to raised concerns?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I am not dodging anything.

As I understand it, the "consent form/waiver/smoking gun" that you're so fixated on was two-fold; it was a document requested by the players to guarantee they were not taking anything illegal, as well as a confidentiality agreement

Your post #42 in this part of this thread was a classic deflection because you didn't have an answer. You still don't; now you're describing a waiver and not a consent form.

It wasn't a consent form. Because that wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

wow, that's convenient

But Fairfax Media understands that Essendon was not the club singled out for ''team-based doping orchestrated by some club officials and coaching staff'''.

dear on dear oh dear,



You coward

Fwiw I know he's said it, but up the guts actually is a lawyer (handy because he usually gives us the reports after the supporter group for tiger barracking lawyers meet).

He actually flagged early on if nothing else, this whole situation would be a nice earner for him, so not surprising he's OT of the game (on bf) now

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The report the ACC released was remarkably similar to the way rumours are posted on Bigfooty:
1. Something is happening, it's really serious
2. Vague about exactly who is involved
3. Scant details on how the information was uncovered (can't reveal sources)
4. Happy to fuel rampant speculation that tarnishes individuals and organization.
5. The claim of having a lot more information, just not going to tell you
6. Fishing for information from people who are actually in the know.

Pack of trolls.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Fwiw I know he's said it, but up the guts actually is a lawyer (handy because he usually gives us the reports after the supporter group for tiger barracking lawyers meet).

He actually flagged early on if nothing else, this whole situation would be a nice earner for him, so not surprising he's OT of the game (on bf) now

he has been slinging mud all week, but the very second it becomes apparent Essendon may not have done what he's accused them of, he can no longer post in the thread.

Remarkable.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

All some of us have done is not buy into the media storm based on the comments of a disgruntled former player.

But have chosen to buy into the media now that it suits? Bizarre.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Do you honestly believe that some mysterious sports guru was plonking IV's in to players without any further club oversight?

It starts and finishes there?

Yes, because it sounds like most clubs gave these guys next to no oversight.

They were over riding coaches in most clubs, and doctors in several. Does that sound like they were being properly controlled?

 

[Daytripper]

Just a warniong to some of the newer posters to Big Footy.

If you ever find yourself agreeing with the same position taken by Wally Carter/Teffy/Old Skool/Hard To Beat then its time to re-assess your position.

The poor kid finds it hard to get dressed by himself in the morning let alone get a complex argument correct.

There is a reason he's had 4 aliases you know.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

But have chosen to buy into the media now that it suits? Bizarre.

it is a complete reversal dude. Accusations were made and have now been retracted. That means one was probably speculation, the other is probably fact. Wouldn't you think?

 

[JeffDunne]

you mean the one they sacked last year after the doctor referred to raised concerns?

You forgot the word 'eventually'.

They didn't sack him when the doctor raised concerns.

Now remind me . . . why exactly did they sack him if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

 

[Leather Poisoning]

But have chosen to buy into the media now that it suits? Bizarre.

I think the inconsistency of the media is a sigh of relief foot Essendon. It suggests that the 'facts' are largely unknown at this point and conclusions that people jumped to are probably poorly founded.

 

[Powerade 08]

So what does this Danke bloke do if it turns out his work was all above board? The crappy paper in Melbourne has pretty much ensured he'll never work again.

He still has his peptide business and genetic testing scam and gimmick products to sell.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Just a warniong to some of the newer posters to Big Footy.

If you ever find yourself agreeing with the same position taken by Wally Carter/Teffy/Old Skool/Hard To Beat then its time to re-assess your position.

The poor kid finds it hard to get dressed by himself in the morning let alone get a complex argument correct.

There is a reason he's had 4 aliases you know.

he is the most craven, cowardly poster on BigFooty.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Just a warniong to some of the newer posters to Big Footy.

If you ever find yourself agreeing with the same position taken by Wally Carter/Teffy/Old Skool/Hard To Beat then its time to re-assess your position.

The poor kid finds it hard to get dressed by himself in the morning let alone get a complex argument correct.

There is a reason he's had 4 aliases you know.

Classic playing the man and not the ball. In fact this post is like one of those picture competitions where they remove the ball entirely and make you guess which grid square it might have appeared in originally.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Yes, because it sounds like most clubs gave these guys next to no oversight.

They were over riding coaches in most clubs, and doctors in several. Does that sound like they were being properly controlled?

Absolutely not. It's disgraceful.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

he has been slinging mud all week, but the very second it becomes apparent Essendon may not have done what he's accused them of, he can no longer post in the thread.

Remarkable.

Don't disagree in the mudslinging, but the minute he bills a single afl client on this, legally he can't get involved anymore.

Fwiw the same happened to me in previous years. Was banging on in a particular thread about a shit company, and then I became involved in a potential recall for them. Had to stop posting immediately

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You forgot the word 'eventually'.

They didn't sack him when the doctor raised concerns.

Now remind me . . . why exactly did they sack him if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

how do you know when the doctor raised concerns, can you tell me that?

As for doing nothing wrong, I have said, over and over and over again, that the conduct of Dank will lead to some kind of sanctions for Essendon because of the way he operated. He should never be administering injections himself if that's what he did. He had to go.

But that does not mean he administered banned substances and it appears that is now the prevailing opinion. Essendon are maybe not drug cheats after all. Are you willing to concede that?