News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[threenewpadlocks]

This is why they should just make it that teams finishing above a certain point cannot have special access to academies or father sons. Just make it top 4 can't have first round father/son/academy picks. Anything else is fair game.

I don't believe we have had a premier getting a first round pick like this. People compare Collingwood/Naicos, but the fact is Collingwood finished 2nd last that year, with only North Melbourne below us. We may have traded our pick the year before from memory, but the fact remains we were not Premiers getting pick no 1.

And it will only get worse with the size of academies of the Northern teams, and the fact more kids are playing AFL in those states. Where is the fairness in the draft, if in 5 years time 8 of the top 10 picks are going to Gold Coast, GWS, Sydney, etc with those teams already finishing top 4? what sort of dog crap system is that.... the changes are good but they need to really stop top finishing teams from touching these players at all UNLESS they trade stuff and get those early draft picks themselves.

I don't see how this artificial barrier matters more than just updating the points curve, which they will next year.

You could extend out arguments that a team finishing 5th shouldn't gain access when they a team finishing 4th doesn't.

 

[Proud New Father of 3]

Go ask King from Geelong if jumping on a plane matters!

Or any reputable sports scientist.

Agreed, entitled big Vic clubs are not sent to Tassie because the VAFL makes more money if they stay and play in Melbourne. And Vic fans dont get upset. Its that simple.

So once again the VAFL technically use the interstate clubs to fund that fixture inequality. And in doing so VAFL provide massive travel advantages to Melbourne sides at the expense of interstate teams who already shoulder the majority of the travel burden.

I mean, they are already travelling tens of thousands of kms, whats another thousand more right? As long as the cash is coming in thats all that matters.

So the interstate clubs get sent to Tassie and Melbourne based clubs and players spend significantly more games at home. And spend nights sleeping in their own beds and more time with their family. And the interstate players at the same time are sitting on a plane or in a car driving home with an icebag strapped to a leg.

Very much looking forward to a few more Vic teams to travel once Tasmania are playing.

Will be interesting to see which Vic teams are sent to Tassie and how often.

Love seeing WA fans have a sook about their team being in WA.

Solution is easy. Go for North Melbourne and you won't have to cry about flight time every second week

 

[Stamos]

This is why they should just make it that teams finishing above a certain point cannot have special access to academies or father sons. Just make it top 4 can't have first round father/son/academy picks. Anything else is fair game.

There's a huge difference between academies, that have players coming through every year, and Father Sons, where clubs might get 1 or 2 a decade.

With the new DVI, and reduced discount, clubs will pay a lot fairer price, and other limits will be unnecessary.

 

[Obeanie1]

Love seeing WA fans have a sook about their team being in WA.

Solution is easy. Go for North Melbourne and you won't have to cry about flight time every second week

You trott off and enjoy being the AFL's teachers pet. And you all know you are.

It just makes that kick by Sheed all the sweeter.

 

[Obeanie1]

firstly... VIC fans could care less where teams play. The games are all on TV and I actually believe some people like travelling to other cities to make a weekend of it. I haven't heard anyone here complain of Opening round games which were all in nsw/qld, nor the gather round. But a person would need an IQ of below 10 not to understand why Collingwood VS Carlton would NOT be held at the MCG. You think it's financially viable or makes any degree of sense to play that game in Tasmania?

Second point.. you are only referring to the Tasmanian games. What about.... The Opening Round games (4 games), the Gather round games (an entire round), The games played in Darwin and Canberra. If anything, Freo has the advantage in that Darwin game.

Get your vicbias goggles off mate. Nobody in Vic could give a toss about where they play, who the play or even if they play at all.

Geez what a dumpster fire that post is.

Didn't the poor Pies get an extra bye for starting one week early? What a massive disadvantage....not.

Freo travel to Darwin. Eagles get sent to Alice Springs. So your point is moot there are well.

As for Vics not caring where their clubs play.

 

[Proud New Father of 3]

You trott off and enjoy being the AFL's teachers pet. And you all know you are.

It just makes that kick by Sheed all the sweeter.

Imagine digging up a highlight from 1 meaningful game in the past 6 years and thinking that's some sick burn

"LoL rember te 2011 Qualifying Final?? Buurrnn":

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Geez what a dumpster fire that post is.

Didn't the poor Pies get an extra bye for starting one week early? What a massive disadvantage....not.

Freo travel to Darwin. Eagles get sent to Alice Springs. So your point is moot there are well.

As for Vics not caring where their clubs play.

Freo play home games in Darwin?

 

[Obeanie1]

Freo play home games in Darwin?

No they don't.

The discussion was around sending interstate teams to Northern Antartica (Tassie) and also the equator (Darwin)...plus the desert (Alice Springs) to assist Vic clubs make money.

Whilst the AFL cash cows never go there and instead get to sleep in their own beds significantly more nights per season because they are not sent to the ends of the earth to represent the competition.

We all know that making money rules AFL House. And the AFL uses interstate clubs to do the heavy lifting travelling to these regions to play smaller Melbourne teams so they can keep the cash cows playing in Melbourne.

Lucky big clubs.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

No they don't.

The discussion was around sending interstate teams to Northern Antartica (Tassie) and also the equator (Darwin)...plus the desert (Alice Springs) to assist Vic clubs make money.

Whilst the AFL cash cows never go there and instead get to sleep in their own beds significantly more nights per season because they are not sent to the ends of the earth to represent the competition.

We all know that making money rules AFL House. And the AFL uses interstate clubs to do the heavy lifting travelling to these regions to play smaller Melbourne teams so they can keep the cash cows playing in Melbourne.

Lucky big clubs.

So they don't have to sell their home games?

 

[Obeanie1]

So they don't have to sell their home games?

Who?

The big Melbourne clubs who get the big marquee games?

Obviously not. They get big games in Melbourne.

The North's and Hawks and Dees don't get marquee games or time slots. So they need to sell home games.

Not sure what point you are trying to make TBH.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Who?

The big Melbourne clubs who get the big marquee games?

Obviously not. They get big games in Melbourne.

The North's and Hawks and Dees don't get marquee games or time slots. So they need to sell home games.

Not sure what point you are trying to make TBH.

Is it a Freo home game in Darwin?

Not sure why they wouldn't have to travel for an away game. Do you think WA teams should have more home games than every other team?

 

[Obeanie1]

Is it a Freo home game in Darwin?

Not sure why they wouldn't have to travel for an away game. Do you think WA teams should have more home games than every other team?

You mean like Melbourne sides and Adelaide teams currently do?

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

You mean like Melbourne sides and Adelaide teams currently do?

How so?

 

[Obeanie1]

How so?

Go look at the fixture.

Gather Round added an extra home game for Adelaide sides.

And lots of Melbourne sides don't travel for away games and get to play them on their home deck.

Pretty obvious when you go through the fixture who gets more games at home.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Go look at the fixture.

I just checked, each club gets the same number of home games with the exception of Gather Round. Is that what you mean?

 

[Obeanie1]

I just checked, each club gets the same number of home games with the exception of Gather Round. Is that what you mean?

Depends on what you call home games.

Playing on their home ground isn't travelling and playing away now is it?

And yes. Gather Round offers the Adelaide sides more games played at home than WA teams.

And the discussion was about travel if you recall. You seem to want to talk about something else.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Depends on what you call home games.

Playing on their home ground isn't travelling and playing away now is it?

And yes. Gather Round offers the Adelaide sides more games played at home than WA teams.

And the discussion was about travel if you recall. You seem to want to talk about something else.

If it’s about travel then why does it matter?

When Freo plays Melbourne in Darwin, who’s home game is it?

 

[Obeanie1]

If it’s about travel then why does it matter?

When Freo plays Melbourne in Darwin, who’s home game is it?

Go re-read my original post explaining it all.

It's about forcing some teams travelling more and to remote locations spending additional hours on the road and additional nights not sleeping at home.

The AFL do this to allow the AFL to make more money. Do you get this bit?

And to achieve that the big teams play at their home ground as an away game and so they do not travel benefit by getting to spend many more nights at home in their own beds. As opposed to an interstate playerer returning home on a plane with an ice pack strapped to a corked leg.

Its a very, very simple concept.

If you don't get that it's getting g a tad obvious you are trolling.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Go re-read my original post explaining it all.

It's about forcing some teams travelling more and to remote locations spending additional hours on the road and additional nights not sleeping at home.

The AFL do this to allow the AFL to make more money. Do you get this bit?

And to achieve that the big teams play at their home ground as an away game and so they do not travel benefit by getting to spend many more nights at home in their own beds. As opposed to an interstate playerer returning home on a plane with an ice pack strapped to a corked leg.

Its a very, very simple concept.

If you don't get that it's getting g a tad obvious you are trolling.

West Coast fans refuse to admit though, that in the process of doing that, the home team is giving up some of their home ground advantage by having fewer of their fans in the ground supporting their team and influencing the umpires, and they are giving away the advantaged gained by greater ground familiarity.

It might add to the away team's travel in the aggregate but they also are a tad more likely to win a game with these factors.

Do people honestly think that Melbourne enjoy any special home ground advantage over their opponents when they play in the Alice? St Kilda when they played in Wellington? Etc.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Go re-read my original post explaining it all.

It's about forcing some teams travelling more and to remote locations spending additional hours on the road and additional nights not sleeping at home.

The AFL do this to allow the AFL to make more money. Do you get this bit?

And to achieve that the big teams play at their home ground as an away game and so they do not travel benefit by getting to spend many more nights at home in their own beds. As opposed to an interstate playerer returning home on a plane with an ice pack strapped to a corked leg.

Its a very, very simple concept.

If you don't get that it's getting g a tad obvious you are trolling.

Ah, I see.

So like how the AFL schedules two matches between WC and Freo every year for the $'s but that means they travel less than other teams. They should have to travel 11 times a year for each away game (excluding gather round) but end up only travelling 10 because of the favourable fixture.

What's the solution to this problem though?

 

[Obeanie1]

Ah, I see.

So like how the AFL schedules two matches between WC and Freo every year for the $'s but that means they travel less than other teams. They should have to travel 11 times a year for each away game (excluding gather round) but end up only travelling 10 because of the favourable fixture.

What's the solution to this problem though?

We are about to find out aren't we.

The logical fix is Freo and the Eagles play two away games 6 or 7 days apart and then as Eddie McGuire suggested two non WA teams do the same later in the season and stay play Freo then West Coast In WA over 6 or 7 days.

All four teams travel less. Win win.

As Eddie explained its a mini Gather Round concept with a week of football where fans could fly to WA for 7 days and watch their team play twice and in-between check out Perth or head down South to Margrett River etc. A great marketing tool and experience for fans.

Benefit. All four clubs travel less. Noone gets an additional home game.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

We are about to find out aren't we.

The logical fix is Freo and the Eagles play two away games 6 or 7 days apart and then as Eddie McGuire suggested two non WA teams do the same later in the season and stay play Freo then West Coast In WA over 6 or 7 days.

All four teams travel less. Win win.

As Eddie explained its a mini Gather Round concept with a week of football where fans could fly to WA for 7 days and watch their team play twice and in-between check out Perth or head down South to Margrett River etc. A great marketing tool and experience for fans.

Benefit. All four clubs travel less. Noone gets an additional home game.

I'm still not sure what your problem is then.

You said earlier that the WA teams need to sleep with their own blankies more, this solutions just exacerbates that problem

 

[adammania9]

And lots of Melbourne sides don't travel for away games and get to play them on their home deck.

Lots of Melbourne sides play other Melbourne sides on the deck that is both teams' home ground