News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[Coach_Required]

The challenge would be to handle the effect of trading. A top team may trade out a star player and get points which allows them to outbid everyone for #1.

Yeah I don't like the bidding system TBH. Teams will find loop holes just like this FA compo crap.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Yeah I don't like the bidding system TBH. Teams will find loop holes just like this FA compo crap.

Conversely a bidding system allows a rebuilding team to "split" picks easier.
Eg being outbid on #1 might not be too bad if the bottom team can just back up and "win" say #2 and #5 or whatever.

 

[tombomb]

Everyone is talking like the AFL hasn't just dramatically changed the draft bidding system for next season.

It's not absolutely perfect, but it is much much fairer.

It should have been changed for this season, but the AFL got spooked because a few clubs and some in the media, who probably don't even understand the bidding system, complained.

 

[Coach_Required]

Everyone is talking like the AFL hasn't just dramatically changed the draft bidding system for next season.

It should have been changed for this season, but the AFL got spooked because a few clubs and some in the media, who probably don't even understand the bidding system, complained.

Those changes would not have made a difference this year when the AFL is already handing out compo picks like candy.

The bidding system hasn't even started yet. AFL wants to fix the drafting points system but still has this FA compo secret herbs and spices joke of a system.

 

[tombomb]

Those changes would not have made a slight of difference this year when the AFL is handing out compo picks like candy.

The bidding system hasn't even started yet.

If the changes were in this year, Brisbane would right now be looking for one or maybe two more first round picks just to match the bid on Ashcroft. That would mean trading out players and future picks.

And that's before they get to Sam Marshall.

It would make a huge difference.

 

[Coach_Required]

If the changes were in this year, Brisbane would right now be looking for one or maybe two more first round picks just to match the bid on Ashcroft. That would mean trading out players and future picks.

And that's before they get to Sam Marshall.

It would make a huge difference.

Those first round FA compo bids have made a mess of the draft system this year. It's typical of the short sightedness of the AFL they react to last year but create their own mess this year.

Compo picks have to go or be changed not just the bidding system.

 

[jdstorm]

If a bidding system came into it then I hope the top teams don't get as many points to bid as bottom sides. Also you would hope there was a maximum allowed and if a bottom side bids the same points as a top side the bottom side gets preference due to ladder position.

For sure you’d have to give different amounts of points to equalise similar to now.

The challenge would be to handle the effect of trading. A top team may trade out a star player and get points which allows them to outbid everyone for #1.

That’s the system working as designed. If a team is trading a top player for points they should be able to get a top player ie if Collingwood traded Nick Daicos you’d expect them to get multiple top 5 picks.

 

[tombomb]

Those first round FA compo bids have made a mess of the draft system this year. It's typical of the short sightedness of the AFL they react to last year but create their own mess this year.

Compo picks have to go or be changed not just the bidding system.

Compensation picks are a separate issue.

You could get rid of compensation picks and Brisbane would still be getting Ashcroft for f all.

 

[Coach_Required]

Compensation picks are a separate issue.

You could get rid of compensation picks and Brisbane would still be getting Ashcroft for f all.

All I'm saying is why does the AFL only try and fix one thing when it's glaringly obvious there is 2 issues here?

 

[jdstorm]

Compensation picks are a separate issue.

You could get rid of compensation picks and Brisbane would still be getting Ashcroft for f all.

It’s really the synergy of how both those separate systems just completely invalidate the purpose of the draft.

If your a team benefiting from neither in any given year it’s really just hugely deflating

 

[tombomb]

It’s really the synergy of how both those separate systems just completely invalidate the purpose of the draft.

If your a team benefiting from neither in any given year it’s really just hugely deflating

If the AFL was close to competent, all these issues could have been resolved in about 5 minutes, 10 years ago.

But this is the AFL we are talking about. They can barely sort out a jumper clash on Grand Final day.

 

[ep2018]

Make it so that you have to use a pick in the same round to match bids on both F/S and NGA, and make it so the absolute best compo you can get for losing a free agent is an end of first round pick, and also make the rules for band 1 more strict. Done. How hard is that?

 

[Aarick13]

Before the trade period and free agency period do a quick draft from start to finish and every team can draft a player around where they feel is right. Clubs can choose to match with what they have available. EG Richmond draft Ashcroft at "pick 1" so Brisbane have to use pick 18 plus more to get the points to get him but have to use what they have at the time. Every draft pick behind moves up. Draft goes on and Melbourne bid on Lombard at "pick 5". GC choose not to match, Melbourne get Lombard and again every pick behind moves up. Teams can go into a deficit to draft players but it affects their first pick the next year. They can trade in picks this year that can then be used to cancel points deficit.

Get to the draft and Richmond still have pick 1. Ashcroft isn't counted as pick 1 so he doesn't get the $10k bonus. If he doesn't like it, tough, tell Brisbane you don't want to be drafted by them. Same for every pre-pick. They just count as First round, Second round for contract purpose. GC have moved up to pick 5 since Melbourne have used theirs already on Lombard.

In this scenario Brisbane still get Ashcroft with pick 18 plus more but it also hampers their ability to regenerate their list in the future.

 

[stallon]

Make it so that you have to use a pick in the same round to match bids on both F/S and NGA, and make it so the absolute best compo you can get for losing a free agent is an end of first round pick, and also make the rules for band 1 more strict. Done. How hard is that?

Tying matching to rounds is no good. What if a player is projected to go at pick 18(or wherever the 1st round is meant to end), does a club need to find a 1st or a 2nd rounder? the kid could be either.

Same thing with needing a pick within so many picks to match, like the needing a pick within 10 picks or something.
Dont know where exactly the kid is going to go, if you expect a bid at 15, so you get pick 23 in for example, but a club bids at 12, youre ****ed.

 

[Obeanie1]

I mean if you’re heading over to Melbourne anyway is the extra bit to Tassie that big of a deal?

I agree that it likely is pretty unfair but that’s more the AFL’s doing. They’re always going to focus on revenue

Go ask King from Geelong if jumping on a plane matters!

Or any reputable sports scientist.

Agreed, entitled big Vic clubs are not sent to Tassie because the VAFL makes more money if they stay and play in Melbourne. And Vic fans dont get upset. Its that simple.

So once again the VAFL technically use the interstate clubs to fund that fixture inequality. And in doing so VAFL provide massive travel advantages to Melbourne sides at the expense of interstate teams who already shoulder the majority of the travel burden.

I mean, they are already travelling tens of thousands of kms, whats another thousand more right? As long as the cash is coming in thats all that matters.

So the interstate clubs get sent to Tassie and Melbourne based clubs and players spend significantly more games at home. And spend nights sleeping in their own beds and more time with their family. And the interstate players at the same time are sitting on a plane or in a car driving home with an icebag strapped to a leg.

Very much looking forward to a few more Vic teams to travel once Tasmania are playing.

Will be interesting to see which Vic teams are sent to Tassie and how often.

 

[Obeanie1]

Those changes would not have made a difference this year when the AFL is already handing out compo picks like candy.

The bidding system hasn't even started yet. AFL wants to fix the drafting points system but still has this FA compo secret herbs and spices joke of a system.

100%

AFL saying look over here. We have fixed the bidding system......b b but next year.

How good are we!

Meanwhile over at the Free Agency office...clubs are lining up.

Clubs with nothing to do with the deal and rarely benefit from free agency.

Every year certain clubs just rince and repeat and pick up another decent free player. And dont pay.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Tying matching to rounds is no good

Same thing with needing a pick within so many picks to match

Exactly. The system needs flexibility. What can change is the discount or premium that applies at different rounds, or rules around the number of picks that can be used for points. Eg x% penalty for each extra pick used above base of say two.

Also other rules like not being able to trade back into the draft ahead of any picks already used for matching, would limit the scope for gaming the system.

 

[Slax]

Everyone is talking like the AFL hasn't just dramatically changed the draft bidding system for next season.

It's not absolutely perfect, but it is much much fairer.

It should have been changed for this season, but the AFL got spooked because a few clubs and some in the media, who probably don't even understand the bidding system, complained.

It's actually worse.

AFL love talking uo draft but bastardise it so much its a joke.

Want a level playing field, easy way to do it. Structure enforcement of a rigid salary cap. Go $1 over you lose premiership points & draft picks. Scrap the 105% allowance & reduce speed cap grows at.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Go ask King from Geelong if jumping on a plane matters!

Or any reputable sports scientist.

Agreed, entitled big Vic clubs are not sent to Tassie because the VAFL makes more money if they stay and play in Melbourne. And Vic fans dont get upset. Its that simple.

So once again the VAFL technically use the interstate clubs to fund that fixture inequality. And in doing so VAFL provide massive travel advantages to Melbourne sides at the expense of interstate teams who already shoulder the majority of the travel burden.

I mean, they are already travelling tens of thousands of kms, whats another thousand more right? As long as the cash is coming in thats all that matters.

So the interstate clubs get sent to Tassie and Melbourne based clubs and players spend significantly more games at home. And spend nights sleeping in their own beds and more time with their family. And the interstate players at the same time are sitting on a plane or in a car driving home with an icebag strapped to a leg.

Very much looking forward to a few more Vic teams to travel once Tasmania are playing.

Will be interesting to see which Vic teams are sent to Tassie and how often.

 

[Ashman23]

Go ask King from Geelong if jumping on a plane matters!

Or any reputable sports scientist.

Agreed, entitled big Vic clubs are not sent to Tassie because the VAFL makes more money if they stay and play in Melbourne. And Vic fans dont get upset. Its that simple.

So once again the VAFL technically use the interstate clubs to fund that fixture inequality. And in doing so VAFL provide massive travel advantages to Melbourne sides at the expense of interstate teams who already shoulder the majority of the travel burden.

I mean, they are already travelling tens of thousands of kms, whats another thousand more right? As long as the cash is coming in thats all that matters.

So the interstate clubs get sent to Tassie and Melbourne based clubs and players spend significantly more games at home. And spend nights sleeping in their own beds and more time with their family. And the interstate players at the same time are sitting on a plane or in a car driving home with an icebag strapped to a leg.

Very much looking forward to a few more Vic teams to travel once Tasmania are playing.

Will be interesting to see which Vic teams are sent to Tassie and how often.

I agree to a degree however, whilst the majority of clubs are Melbourne based then naturally they will travel interstate less.

I'd like to see a three year rolling fixture where everyone plays home and away against each side and each other is guaranteed to play twice across those three years plus throw in the derbies, rivalry rounds etc. to cover the remaining fixtures.

 

[My_Username]

I don’t get why people rally against father son picks when they are 1 functionally the same as academy players

And 2 the issue isn’t that they exist but rather the system is set up in such a way that teams don’t pay fair value for them.

If the system worked as intended teams would occasionally be passing on these players or having to trade significant value from their team to get them in. Neither of which really happens right now.

Yep.

The issue is (or at least should be) more about ensuring fair value is paid.

I'd also point out that the players FS picks are used on would probably have a good chance of demanding a trade at their first opportunity anyway.

 

[Stamos]

Everyone is talking like the AFL hasn't just dramatically changed the draft bidding system for next season.

It's not absolutely perfect, but it is much much fairer.

It should have been changed for this season, but the AFL got spooked because a few clubs and some in the media, who probably don't even understand the bidding system, complained.

It should have been changed years ago, but couldn't be changed for this year without any notice.
Any change like this needs 13 months notice.

But it will be much fairer.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It should have been changed years ago, but couldn't be changed for this year without any notice.
Any change like this needs 13 months notice.

But it will be much fairer.

It's just somewhat ironic/unfortunate that the premiers have will be able to jump to pick 1 in the draft, the most extreme version of the flaws of the points system.

One final instnace of a team, through points not being worth what they're worth and through exchange rates, should have had to add an extra top 15 pick or so to their existing draft hand, to be able to get pick 1, but it not happening.

 

[Pies No 1]

Go ask King from Geelong if jumping on a plane matters!

Or any reputable sports scientist.

Agreed, entitled big Vic clubs are not sent to Tassie because the VAFL makes more money if they stay and play in Melbourne. And Vic fans dont get upset. Its that simple.

So once again the VAFL technically use the interstate clubs to fund that fixture inequality. And in doing so VAFL provide massive travel advantages to Melbourne sides at the expense of interstate teams who already shoulder the majority of the travel burden.

I mean, they are already travelling tens of thousands of kms, whats another thousand more right? As long as the cash is coming in thats all that matters.

So the interstate clubs get sent to Tassie and Melbourne based clubs and players spend significantly more games at home. And spend nights sleeping in their own beds and more time with their family. And the interstate players at the same time are sitting on a plane or in a car driving home with an icebag strapped to a leg.

Very much looking forward to a few more Vic teams to travel once Tasmania are playing.

Will be interesting to see which Vic teams are sent to Tassie and how often.

firstly... VIC fans could care less where teams play. The games are all on TV and I actually believe some people like travelling to other cities to make a weekend of it. I haven't heard anyone here complain of Opening round games which were all in nsw/qld, nor the gather round. But a person would need an IQ of below 10 not to understand why Collingwood VS Carlton would NOT be held at the MCG. You think it's financially viable or makes any degree of sense to play that game in Tasmania?

Second point.. you are only referring to the Tasmanian games. What about.... The Opening Round games (4 games), the Gather round games (an entire round), The games played in Darwin and Canberra. If anything, Freo has the advantage in that Darwin game.

Get your vicbias goggles off mate. Nobody in Vic could give a toss about where they play, who the play or even if they play at all.

 

[Pies No 1]

It's just somewhat ironic/unfortunate that the premiers have will be able to jump to pick 1 in the draft, the most extreme version of the flaws of the points system.

One final instnace of a team, through points not being worth what they're worth and through exchange rates, should have had to add an extra top 15 pick or so to their existing draft hand, to be able to get pick 1, but it not happening.

This is why they should just make it that teams finishing above a certain point cannot have special access to academies or father sons. Just make it top 4 can't have first round father/son/academy picks. Anything else is fair game.

I don't believe we have had a premier getting a first round pick like this. People compare Collingwood/Naicos, but the fact is Collingwood finished 2nd last that year, with only North Melbourne below us. We may have traded our pick the year before from memory, but the fact remains we were not Premiers getting pick no 1.

And it will only get worse with the size of academies of the Northern teams, and the fact more kids are playing AFL in those states. Where is the fairness in the draft, if in 5 years time 8 of the top 10 picks are going to Gold Coast, GWS, Sydney, etc with those teams already finishing top 4? what sort of dog crap system is that.... the changes are good but they need to really stop top finishing teams from touching these players at all UNLESS they trade stuff and get those early draft picks themselves.