Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency IX

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Spoiler: 2021 Key Dates

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Monday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW&ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday November 3 (9am) – Tuesday November 9 (5pm)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10 (2pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 (9am) – Monday November 15 (5pm)

Draft Nominations Due
Wednesday November 17 (3pm)

Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Nominations Due (Includes Academy, Father/Son)
Friday November 26 (12pm) - Friday November 26 (12.30pm)

Preseason Draft
Friday November 26 (3pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Notification
Friday November 26 (3.15pm)

Rookie Draft
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29 (4pm)

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Current Contract Status
2021 Draft Watch
Father/Son and NGA
Adrian Dodoro

 

[yodellinhank]

If there wasn't a formula then what was the point of getting Joe's contract restructured to hit Band 1? There is a formula and it can be gamed to produce particular results.

There is no formula.

 

[BigT]

Well, that would definitely lead to as many 'Oh we were trying to keep him" attempts as those that punch the ball 17x whilst being tackled to try and demonstrate that they're "making a genuine attempt" to get rid of it.

for mine it should be done on the contract being offered by the party losing the player. If they haven’t offered a contract, no compensation. What they have offered is where they rate the player, and they should be compensated accordingly- not over compensated because another club pays more which you have to do to prise them out of the club generally anyway.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Lever and players like him are made to look good because AFL sides play a territory game without committing key forward to the positions they need to play to make the territory game work.

They take up a position on the ground that their team's defensive structure is trying to channel the ball to which also happens to the part of the ground the kick for territory is most like to go. Revering players for intercept possessions, which are not contested marks, is almost literally revering them taking the field.

There are good versions of the player who have the same impact while playing on opponents and who tend to take the contested intercept marks. Carlisle's good 2 years in defence for us were twice the standard. Hooker has done it as have McGovern, Barrass and Weitering. Harris Andrews too.

All those guys you mention are playing a different role, more akin to a traditional fullback. Definitely a hard one to excel in.

The Lever role is newer to footy. It doesn’t mean that having the right guy in that role isn’t critical. I don’t believe excelling in it is as easy as you think.

Ridley is our Lever. Yes, Hawkins is going to have Ridley for breakfast one-on-one… but Ridley’s not in the team to wrestle monsters the way Carlisle was. They would be hard to replace if he’s injured. Does Francis play his role? Gleeson? Yep they would both try but they wouldn’t be nearly as damaging.

Being the intercept guy isn’t just a lucky ticket - the guys who do it well have serious footy skills and are very valuable to their teams.

 

[yodellinhank]

All those guys you mention are playing a different role, more akin to a traditional fullback. Definitely a hard one to excel in.

The Lever role is newer to footy. It doesn’t mean that having the right guy in that role isn’t critical. I don’t believe excelling in it is as easy as you think.

Ridley is our Lever. Yes, Hawkins is going to have Ridley for breakfast one-on-one… but Ridley’s not in the team to wrestle monsters the way Carlisle was. They would be hard to replace if he’s injured. Does Francis play his role? Gleeson? Yep they would both try but they wouldn’t be nearly as damaging.

Being the intercept guy isn’t just a lucky ticket - the guys who do it well have serious footy skills and are very valuable to their teams.

I think lucky ticket is a great description. Gleeson was a fan favourite when he had the lucky ticket. They passed it over to Francis but he lost it to Ridley. Francis and Gleeson struggle for a game and to remain on the list without it.

 

[Towno78]

All those guys you mention are playing a different role, more akin to a traditional fullback. Definitely a hard one to excel in.

The Lever role is newer to footy. It doesn’t mean that having the right guy in that role isn’t critical. I don’t believe excelling in it is as easy as you think.

Ridley is our Lever. Yes, Hawkins is going to have Ridley for breakfast one-on-one… but Ridley’s not in the team to wrestle monsters the way Carlisle was. They would be hard to replace if he’s injured. Does Francis play his role? Gleeson? Yep they would both try but they wouldn’t be nearly as damaging.

Being the intercept guy isn’t just a lucky ticket - the guys who do it well have serious footy skills and are very valuable to their teams.

An intercept player is new to footy?

 

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[blitzer]

I think lucky ticket is a great description. Gleeson was a fan favourite when he had the lucky ticket. They passed it over to Francis but he lost it to Ridley. Francis and Gleeson struggle for a game and to remain on the list without it.

Interestingly as the season went on Ridley had to play genuine KP more and more. Hell he played on Naughton in the final. So I guess we gave up that 3rd tall interceptor/lucky ticket in favour of more run out of defense with Cutler coming in (he did do some intercepting as well in fairness but nothing to the degree that Ridley was providing). Or did Cutler simply grab hold of the lucky ticket?

Personally I think Ridley is phenomenal in that 3rd tall intercept role and if we get to a point where we have 2 genuine quality KPD's again soon (fingers crossed on Reid) we should put him back in the role.

 

[fairbump_playon]

An intercept player is new to footy?

Zone defense and the press are newer to footy than the type of one on one battles Bruno V was referencing & valuing, and without these “modern” defensive strategies Lever and Ridley etc would have a very different day at the footy.

 

[fairbump_playon]

I think lucky ticket is a great description. Gleeson was a fan favourite when he had the lucky ticket. They passed it over to Francis but he lost it to Ridley. Francis and Gleeson struggle for a game and to remain on the list without it.

This gets to the truth of the matter - almost everyone looks better when they have the lucky ticket… but still some people use the lucky ticket better than others

 

[Call Me Cake]

Reid - Ridley - Cox - Perkins - Draper - Caldwell - Jones - King

Imagine that for the next decade.

 

[eth-dog]

Reid - Ridley - Cox - Perkins - Draper - Caldwell - Jones - King

Imagine that for the next decade.

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I'm worried that if King re-signs you'll go on suicide watch.

 

[faible]

Mabior Chol is a massive spud

This isn’t relevant to compo though.

If GCS overpay for Chol, and Carlton get Hewett for value, that has no bearing on their quality as players.

 

[eth-dog]

This isn’t relevant to compo though.

If GCS overpay for Chol, and Carlton get Hewett for value, that has no bearing on their quality as players.

I'm saying that it should.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I'm worried that if King re-signs you'll go on suicide watch.

Would you miss me.

Wait a minute, don't answer that.

 

[eth-dog]

Would you miss me.

Wait a minute, don't answer that.

I'd miss our debates. Sorta.

 

[Hak94]

Don't think this would be the case, given just how valuable a first-round draft pick is this year but given the club has stated they want to improve their draft hand and we don't hold another pick after our first until the third round. Is there some crazy scenario where the club trades out of the first round for a couple of early second-rounders? I know that the depth around the first 1-15 looks pretty close, in particularly the first four, but after that it looks like the field is wide open as to who will go where. I have no doubt in my mind too and according to Cal Twomey that the crop of players after between that 15 to say 30 is really strong. Meaning that some players who teams value in that first round appear likely to slip back the order a bit into that second round. Idk, it sounds like a crazy scenario and one that would likely not eventuate but given the mystery around some of the players due to COVID hitting the past two seasons I just think this could be a curve ball in terms of potentially picking up a few quality players in that second round instead of hitting one in the first as no doubt some of the talent we value when our pick comes about will still be there in the second round too.

Because, how we improve on our draft hand with what we have at the moment and also with pretty much no players of great quality up on on the table is a mystery to me right now, I just don't see how it happens unless they have something up their sleeve we don't yet know about. Personally, as much as I love holding a first-round pick given the depth of the first 15 picks looking great, I wouldn't mind trading out of the first round and back into the second if it meant we pick a few picks there instead. I know I'll get hate for this comment hahaha but we've picked up some great picks in the second round over the past ten years (also a few shonky ones too haha) but this could be a really cool play if it happened.

 

[foj1]

Why would the bombers not try and get 19 off Gold Coast and take on Mac-her sons one year contract?
we have room in the salary cap we are not flushed for small forwards and 19 is a nice pick.
‘it might lay a tiny bit of groundwork for king.
geez I would do the same thing for will Brodie

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give them the money to keep Rowell Anderson lukocious and rankine

 

[faible]

I'm saying that it should.

Yes because the AFL needs even more vague reasons for rewarding compo selections.

 

[Towno78]

Zone defense and the press are newer to footy than the type of one on one battles Bruno V was referencing & valuing, and without these “modern” defensive strategies Lever and Ridley etc would have a very different day at the footy.

I wouldn't consider 15 years to be particularly new, but it's all relative I guess.

 

[eth-dog]

Yes because the AFL needs even more vague reasons for rewarding compo selections.

The issue is they've gone too far the other way. It's too regimented.

 

[faible]

The issue is they've gone too far the other way. It's too regimented.

The whole point is that it’s regimented though.

If it’s not it’s just another arbitrary AFL system.

 

[eth-dog]

The whole point is that it’s regimented though.

If it’s not it’s just another arbitrary AFL system.

It shouldn't be arbitrary but Hewett and Chol shouldn't get the same compensation, yet here we are.

 

[faible]

It shouldn't be arbitrary but Hewett and Chol shouldn't get the same compensation, yet here we are.

If they’re offered the same money, the market is saying they’re valued the same.

So yeah they should.

 

[eth-dog]

If they’re offered the same money, the market is saying they’re valued the same.

So yeah they should.

Sorry but I can't agree here.

 

[faible]

Sorry but I can't agree here.

You’re asking for something to occur that’s almost completely discretionary then.

Contract terms are the one standardised metric applicable to all players.

Years x Wage. Good players will get more of both. Old players might get less of one, same with young ones. Bad players will get less of both.

Unless a club overpays, like GCS has done with Chol.